Why so many new cartridges? Why Reinvent the Wheel

[markg]

Lots of guys on the site often ask why do we need all the new fancy wiz bang cartridges. Why reinvent the wheel. This is a great video on the why?

https://youtu.be/gs24nGfXMGQ

No doubt that some of the reason for doing this is of course money but alot of it makes sense to gain performance.

I like the fact that firearms companies are being innovative and pushing the industry forward.

[Dick284]

If new isn’t being developed and marketed, how do you expect a company to attract investors and grow their market share.
Without constant R&D and new offerings, a companies market share shrinks, then investor dollars depart, and at that point it’s the end.

Sure there’s lots of overlap in developments, always has been that way, and it will be that way long after we become dust.

Be thankful there’s a selection for us to ruminate and pontificate over, otherwise places like this forum would be a non exists to thing.

[stob]

$$$ and ego and brand recognition

[Pioneer2]

Stealing ideas from wildcatters and each other.

[fps plus]

Not much of an industry if we all owned a 30-06 , a shotgun and a 22

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by fps plus

Not much of an industry if we all owned a 30-06 , a shotgun and a 22

Hey! I resemble that remark!!! Lol

I enjoy seeing creative people take the old cartridge prybar out and make a space for a new one. Why not.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by markg

Lots of guys on the site often ask why do we need all the new fancy wiz bang cartridges. Why reinvent the wheel. This is a great video on the why?

https://youtu.be/gs24nGfXMGQ

No doubt that some of the reason for doing this is of course money but alot of it makes sense to gain performance.

I like the fact that firearms companies are being innovative and pushing the industry forward.

This is what an industrialized free world looks like. Be thankful for it. Soon it will look a lot different I’m afraid.

[AI 6.5]

For those that think that way, don't be a dinosaur, you know what happened to them, they became extinct. That could go for pretty much anything these days. Where where would we be without innovation and advancement. We would still be shooting muskets and riding horses.

[catnthehat]

Cartridge development is much the same as cars .
Some of it is good, and some us just downright crazy.
HOWEVER, wanting to own something factory that runs a 140 grain 6.5 or 7mm bullet past 3,500FPS is really no different than wanting
a Hellcat!
However, a lot of development is like my dearly departed father once stated " Son, that is something designed by someone to sell to somebody because they think they need it!"
Cat

[32-40win]

Watched about 3-4 of the Hornady podcasts, not bad to watch. Always find the production side of the stuff interesting, learned a bit of the history of their company and some other stuff about the industry from it. Some of the stories behind development are cool, some of the manufacturer politics that are involved that people don`t consider.
They don`t deny for instance that a 300PRC is a 300WM, and they say don`t run out and buy a PRC if you have a WM, unless you need or want the features the PRC offers towards the heavier bullets.

[catnthehat]

A lot of our ammo development came from competitors of various disciplines as opposed to the hunting g end of things, and it was just crossed over. Such as the PPC family of cartridges and the Creedmoor family.

However there were some cartridge developments that came from the hunting side, such as the 7,30 Waters and the 307 , and the 270 Winchester - although I suspect it was also courted by the military early on, as was the 3006.
Regardless, the R&D departments of the various SAAMI
participants work tirelessly at making stuff better and more advanced.
However once the advertising department and the gunwriters weigh In on a project oftentimes it the not the desired outcome was initially sought after!
This can be a very positive or negative thing depending on which way the wind blows
Cat

[sns2]

Gonna be a long time before anyone can improve on a 270. Every animal I have shot and found was a one shot kill. So there.

In all seriousness, I am glad people experiment, and sometimes those experiments end up in our gun safes. I remember that I just had to have a 280ai. Life wasn’t gonna be complete without it. Ended up being quite nice. It stayed for a little while. It moved on. Life continued, but it was fun while the idea lasted. Did i tell you that I had a Creedmoor too. And an Ultra-Mag. Variety is the spice of life. keep trying and keep buying.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by sns2

Gonna be a long time before anyone can improve on a 270. Every animal I have shot and found was a one shot kill. So there.

The same thing can be said for many cartridges though, some designed before the 270 Winchester.
The various 8mm, 7mm , and 6.5 Mausers for example, or the 45/70, 30 U.S., and the .303 Brit just to name a few.....
Cat

[graham1]

An excellent quote from a buddy of mine.
“If we always did the same as our fathers did we’d still be living in caves”

Gotta keep trying to invent new things.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The same thing can be said for many cartridges though, some designed before the 270 Winchester.
The various 8mm, 7mm , and 6.5 Mausers for example, or the 45/70, 30 U.S., and the .303 Brit just to name a few.....
Cat

That was tongue in cheek. Shot and found. Well, what about the one that got away. Tongue in cheek.

They all do the same thing pretty much.

You wanna know an efficient but not snazzy round… 308 Win.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by sns2

You wanna know an efficient but not snazzy round… 308 Win.

Yeah John Wooters once said of the 308Winchester
"It's not sexy or particularly fast, it just plain works"

Cat

[wolf308]

People are passionate about shooting and ballistics ?

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Yeah John Wooters once said of the 308Winchester
"It's not sexy or particularly fast, it just plain works"

Cat

And the .338 Federal is just mo bedda!

I do love that .308 case, so many good cartridges came from it. .243, .260 Remington, 7mm08, .338 Federal, .358 Win. It's a very efficient family of short actions.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

And the .338 Federal is just mo bedda!

I do love that .308 case, so many good cartridges came from it. .243, .260 Remington, 7mm08, .338 Federal, .358 Win. It's a very efficient family of short actions.

Good rounds all

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

And the .338 Federal is just mo bedda!

I do love that .308 case, so many good cartridges came from it. .243, .260 Remington, 7mm08, .338 Federal, .358 Win. It's a very efficient family of short actions.

And if it is shortened up you get a 30TC, and then neck it to 6.5 you get - oh never mind..........
Cat

[32-40win]

A lot of the new stuff actually is an improvement enabled by newer powders and bullets. Just a situation of people using what was handy to build stuff from before now, such as the 300H&H case to build the big magnums off of thru the 50`s and 60`s rather than a 404 Jeffery such as a lot of the newer ones are. Those cases just were not handy back then, and weren`t an American thing if they existed elsewhere. And you look at how many cartridges WW & Rem developed, and screwed up on with barrel twists and etc., when they sold the guns for them. I think it took people like Barnes and Berger and Hornady, even Ruger, to force the changes by getting into the ammo business and forcing the changes in the guns and powders.

[elkhunter11]

The simple fact is, that new is easy to sell, many people want the newest cartridge, whether it actually offers any improvement or not. And marketing determines which new cartridges sell well, not actual performance.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by fps plus

Not much of an industry if we all owned a 30-06 , a shotgun and a 22

Your right but many only have exactly what you mentioned

Fill the freezer and take care of critters that need dirt naps occasionally.

[bat119]

Back in the day wildcats were the thing everyone wanted to develop most unique cartridge, top of the group was P.O Ackley making cartridges from the practical to the insane.

.22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Ea...n_Loudenboomer

With all the factory available there are few gaps to fill wildcatting has pretty much died out

[pikergolf]

Most new cartridge designs are done for competition. Yes the old will do, but they are pigs on fuel (powder) and they eat barrels. New developments address these issues.


https://www.ballisticmag.com/6mm-amm...sion-shooting/

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The simple fact is, that new is easy to sell, many people want the newest cartridge, whether it actually offers any improvement or not. And marketing determines which new cartridges sell well, not actual performance.

It's called Marketing, Novel Sells.

Grizz

[brewster29]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The simple fact is, that new is easy to sell, many people want the newest cartridge, whether it actually offers any improvement or not. And marketing determines which new cartridges sell well, not actual performance.

The 6.5cm is a perfect example of marketing being better than the product.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by brewster29

The 6.5cm is a perfect example of marketing being better than the product.

Maybe in the hunting world, but it does exactly what it was designed to do as far as the national course, tgat is cycle in a short system AR or bolt action without feeding problems , which the 308 and the 260 Remington were having issue with
Cat

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Maybe in the hunting world, but it does exactly what it was designed to do as far as the national course, tgat is cycle in a short system AR or bolt action without feeding problems , which the 308 and the 260 Remington were having issue with
Cat

That’s the same as the 300 prc
It is very similar to the 300 win but it is not tied down by the old sammi specs
If you reload and it you have it throated, ya you will get very similar results
But if your buying factory ammo
The prc is better

[sns2]

Nothing wrong with Creedmoor or any other cartridge. They are just tools. All of em. None will kiss, hug or talk dirty to you. They are simply tools.