Cancer cure?

[topgun2269]

Hello everybody, I know this question has come up a thousand times but I would like all of your thoughts... We spent the last four days at the university of alberta with our daughter who had a back procedure done. We are very lucky she is fine and on the mend. My question is that she was on a floor that had patients dealing or about to deal with cancer and the possible treatments. I heard a lady say that she hopes it's breast cancer and not bone cancer! I felt so bad for her and what she has to deal with very soon. Are we not closer to a cure to this deadly disease. I lost my sister to this many years ago and find it just hard to believe we are really not any closer to a cure. Just my thoughts....thanks in advance for your comments.

[jungleboy]

I believe that as long as finding a cure for cancer continues to be such a huge profitable industry that we will perpetually be "close" to a cure but doubt we will see one in our lifetime

[BeeGuy]

Cancer is not just cancer. It is a broad term that includes many different types of growth in any area of the body.

[bloopbloob]

I'm sure I'll get a lot of disbelievers, but I think there is a cure for cancer already, or something that is very close. I took a lot of science courses, biology, organic chemistry, inorganic chemistry, molecular genetics, etc. etc. at the UofC. Speaking to my professors, who do their own high level research and experiments also, they told me about how projects get taken away, when they will cost the company funding them money. Most research is funded by the pharmaceutical companies, who profit from treatment, not cures. One genetics teacher specifically told me she was super close to finding a cure for some disease (can't remember what exactly), and the funding pharmaceutical company pulled all her resources and somehow legally forced her to stop her research for the next 10 years. It was because they just came out with an expensive drug to treat it. They didn't want a cure.

That said, I think cancer is in everyones genes. Environmental factors certainly can accelerate the risk, but it is what it is.... No real rhyme or reason to quite a few cases. Just how the body works. Cells divide, mutations happen.

[jungleboy]

^^ makes perfect sense to me^^

[odsixer]

As has been mentioned, there is no money in the cure. The money is in the come-back.

[raab]

Last I heard they were modifying the HIV virus to help fight it. Not sure of the exact mechanism of action as it's not my area of expertise. Here's a story on one girl who it has already shown to work on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ne-system.html

[Selkirk]

Even though this subject has been beaten to death many times before, I still think it's worth exposure.

Why ... after all this time, research, and untold amounts of money, is there still no cure for cancer?!

Some may differ, but this sounds like a variation on 'Organised Crime' to me!

Mac

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Cancer is not just cancer. It is a broad term that includes many different types of growth in any area of the body.

There is the crux of the problem. Cancer is not one disease but many and even among specific cancers there many variations. We've come a long ways, but there is a long ways further to go yet. Lung cancer is till a death sentences, but some like leukemia, breast, colon and prostrate cancer are very treatable. Key is EARLY DETECTION, cancers metasticise, meaning they move to other body organs, by that time chances of a cure are slim. Cancer in the breast won't kill you, it's when it moves to your liver, you're toast

Grizz

[densa44]

How many diseases have been cured We have "host resistance" which has dealt with most of them, cutting off the vector, yellow fever, TB are notable illnesses, eliminating the host, like rabies. What diseases other than bacteria, such as gangrene, gonorrhea, and others that penicillin will "cure" can you think of?

Cancer is an immortal cell in our bodies that will not die on its own. If it can be killed or removed the patient is cured.

Please bear in mind that this life is temporary and we need to be ready for what comes next at all times.

[bloopbloob]

Originally Posted by densa44

How many diseases have been cured We have "host resistance" which has dealt with most of them, cutting off the vector, yellow fever, TB are notable illnesses, eliminating the host, like rabies. What diseases other than bacteria, such as gangrene, gonorrhea, and others that penicillin will "cure" can you think of?

Cancer is an immortal cell in our bodies that will not die on its own. If it can be killed or removed the patient is cured.

Please bear in mind that this life is temporary and we need to be ready for what comes next at all times.

Not true. Not even going to argue with you... and just edited the rest of what I had to say...
Is your view based on... what?
Edit: Ok I'll argue a bit, because it's driving me nuts. Eliminating the host? So to cure rabies, you kill the host? Penicillin doesn't cure? Take out a cancerous mass and you're cured? Will never have cancer again?

[skidderman]

Yes some are treatable but here is a big question. What is my quality of life aftrer treatment? Had prostate cancer 5 yrs ago and honestly, I don't know who or what to believe any more. I don't trust the system but on the other hand what else have I got other than the system. Those that think there are quick or easy answers are lets just say not in the know. If there is a cure then health care is a bigger scam than global warming. May I suggest most of us simply don't know for sure.

[Steven Noel]

As stated earlier, cancer is much, much more complicated than most diseases. People often cite that while we have vaccines for many of the major ailments of the past, cancer remains without a preventative treatment. What many fail to realize, however; is that diseases like polio, and measles--major killers in the past--are viruses, and hence developing vaccines is relatively simple. I would not be surprised at an HIV vaccine with 10-20 years.

Cancer, on the other hand, is, in general terms, a mass of your own undifferentiated cells rapidly dividing as a result of a genetic mutation. Because they have not differentiated, they are relatively inept at hanging on to their current substrate. This makes metastasis (the spread of cancer from its original location) a likelihood if left untreated.

As cancer is composed of your own cells, it doesn't present any obvious antigens (external markers) that allow your "seek and destroy" white blood cells to locate and kill a threat. These antigens are the basis for the vaccines we all know and (most) appreciate. Therefore, the development and application of traditional vaccines can be ruled out.

For now, despite millions and millions of dollars, the genetic research looking into the genetic causes of cancer--and possible ways to stop them--is still in its early stages. The best most can do is avoid things that increase the likelihood of genetic mutations that could result in cancer. Give it time. They tried treating plague victims with floggings, to provide penance for what was seen as a divine punishment. We've come a long ways.

Steven

[CaberTosser]

We just got news last week of my aunts cancer test results, and its not good. The cancer is large cell and is inoperable, so she has but a few months left of this mortal coil . Hopefully she will be back home from the hospital in a matter of days, but an MS flare up compounded issues. She was barely eating in the hospital but her appetite perked up when she learned she'd be getting home soon. She lives in Winnipeg and home care will be arranging their house to accommodate her needs. My uncles health isn't stellar so it will present difficulties in caring for her, as he can't drive anymore because diabetes has deteriorated his eyesight too much; my older sister is planning to venture out to lend a hand as her nest is half empty and my 16 year old nephew and his Dad can get by handily in her absence. Its a crappy situation when yet another generation of the family realizes their mortality, but also a cycle as old as time.

[Red Bullets]

I myself have overcome leukemia for 4 years now. And I know eventually this could be my demise. and then I realize...

All those healthy diet and exersize type people are going to feel really confused when they die of nothing.

I have to make light of the topic of cancer. No disrespect meant to anyone affected. It is a deep subject to ponder when it is in your face.

[bloopbloob]

Steven Noel, good post! Most don't understand it at all, but still have their opinion... It's not a virus or bacteria. It's in our DNA. I can see you know what you're talking about, but I'd love to see some others with their ideas talk about TATA boxes, 5 prime and 3 prime, transcription bubbles, mRNA, DNA, anything.... to put some credibility behind their claims... Really gets me upset when people who don't know jack, spew bad info to others looking for help. Terrible terrible disease. Genetics is where the cure will come from, if it ever does.

[Gust]

A heavy dose of comedy and laughter got me through the worst of it. This is a great script from Saturday Night Live, enjoy;

Theodoric Of York

Theodoric of York.....Steve Martin
William.....Dan Aykroyd
Broom Gilda.....Gilda Radner
Joan.....Jane Curtin
Hunchback.....John Belushi
Drunkard.....Bill Murray

Announcer: "In the Middle Ages, medicine was still in its infancy. The art of healing was conducted not by physicians, but by barbers. The medieval barbers were the forerunners of today's men of medicine, and many of the techniques they developed are still practiced today. This is the story of one such barber."

William: Hello, Theodoric of York. Well, it's springtime, and I've come for my haircut and bloodletting.

Theodoric of York: Hello, William, Son of Malcolm the Tanner. Have a seat. Broom Gilda, you start on William's hair, and I'll open a vein here.

Broom Gilda: Yes, Theodoric.

Theodoric of York: How's that baby I delivered last Christmas when your wife died?

William: Oh, the little fellow is deformed.

Theodoric of York: Oh, that's right. I remember now. [ cuts William's vein, as his blood spills into a bowl ]

William: Ahhh..

Announcer: And now, it's time for another episode of "Theodoric of York: Medieval Barber".

Theodoric of York: There you go. Looks like I have another patient. I'll be back in a minute to see how you're doing.

William: Right. Thank you.

[ Theodoric approaches Joan, who stands next to her daughter ]

Joan: Hello, Theodoric, Barber of York.

Theodoric of York: Hello, Joan, Wife of Simkin the Miller. Well, how's my little patient doing?

Joan: Not so well, I fear. We followed all your instructions - I mixed powder of staghorn, gum of arabic with sheep's urine, and applied it in a poultice to her face.

Theodoric of York: And did you bury her up to her neck in the marsh and leave her overnight?

Joan: Oh, yes. But she still feels as listless as ever, if not more.

Theodoric of York: Well, let's give her another bloodletting. Broom Gilda.

Broom Gilda: Yes, Theodoric.

Theodoric of York: Take two pints.

Broom Gilda: Yes, Theodoric.

Joan: Will she be alright?

Theodoric of York: Well, I'll do everything humanly possible. Unfortunately, we barbers aren't gods. You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter's was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach.

Joan: Well, I'm glad she's in such good hands.

Hunchback: [ pulls Drunkard forward in a cart ] Is this Theodoric, Barber of York?

Theodoric of York: Say, don't I know you?

Hunchback: Sure, you worked on my back.

Theodoric of York: What's wrong with your friend here?

Hunchback: He broke his legs.

Drunkard: I was at the festival of the vernal equinox, and I guess I had a little too much mead.. and I darted out in front of an oxcart. It all happened so fast. They couldn't stop in time.

Theodoric of York: Well, you'll a lot better after a good bleeding.

Drunkard: But I'm bleeding already!

Theodoric of York: Say, who's the barber here?

Drunkard: Okay, okay, just do something for my legs.

Theodoric of York: Well, the three of us will get you up on the gibbet here. [ turns Drunkard upside-down, then spreads his legs apart ] Okay, now this is gonna hurt a little. What we're doing is separating your broken bones, and if you don't feel better tomorrow, we'll just cut his legs off about here.

Drunkard: Okay. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna feel better tomorrow!

Theodoric of York: I guess this will teach you to go easy on the mead. Broom Gilda put a few leeches on his forehead.

Drunkard: Thank you.

Theodoric of York: [ to William ] When was the last time you came in for a worming?

William: I guess I'm due.. but I don't have time today. Please accept my payment - this fine, fat goose. [ hands over goose ]

Theodoric of York: Thank you. Broom Gilda will give you your change. [ returns to Joan ] So, how's the little patient doing?

Joan: She's worse. She's looking pale.

Theodoric of York: Well, if she's not responding to treatment, I'm afraid we'll have to run some more tests. Broom Gilda, bring me the Caladrius Bird.

Joan: Caladrius Bird?

Theodoric of York: Yes. The Caladrius Bird is placed beside a patient. If the bird looks at a patient's face, she will live; but if it looks at her feet, she will die. Okay, now, Freddy, come on out. [ unleashes bird from cage, but it just flies off ] I don't know how to interpret that. Did you see Broom Gilda?

Broom Gilda: No.

Theodoric of York: Well, I guess, take another pint from Isabelle - and while you're at it, take two pints from the bird.

Broom Gilda: [ feels patient ] She's dead.

Joan: Dead! Dead! I can't believe it! My little daughter dead!

Theodoric of York: Now, Mrs. Miller, you're distraught, tired.. you may be suffering from nervous exhaustion. I think you'd feel better if I let some of your blood.

Joan: You charlatan! You killed my daughter, just like you killed most of my other children! Why don't you admit it! You don't know what you're doing!

Theodoric of York: Wait a minute. Perhaps she's right. Perhaps I've been wrong to blindly follow the medical traditions and superstitions of past centuries. Maybe we barbers should test these assumptions analytically, through experimentation and a "scientific method". Maybe this scientific method could be extended to other fields of learning: the natural sciences, art, architecture, navigation. Perhaps I could lead the way to a new age, an age of rebirth, a Renaissance! [ thinks for a minute ]

Naaaaaahhh!

Announcer: Tune in next week for another episode of "Theodoric of York: Medieval Barber", when you'll hear Theodoric say:

Theodoric of York: A little bloodletting and some boar's vomit, and he'll be fine!

[ dissolve to studio wide shot, with SUPER: "coming up next... Extra-Sensory Conception" ]

[ pan to fade ]

[densa44]

Host resistance; you are the host, and through vaccinations you will not get diphtheria, smallpox, measles, or polio.

Removing the Vector, that is how the bacteria gets to us, like chlorinating water to kill diseases like cholera.

The diseases that are viruses are a whole different story. The virus is small enough to pass through the walls of your cells and reprogram them, like when you get influenza. In 1919 it killed 20 million people world wide. The solution so far that are the most promising are vaccines as has been noted before.

Cancer doesn't easily fit either category, it may be a built in malfunction of our cells ability to reproduce, for instance after having reproduced itself 100 times do errors creep in and subsequent reproductions have faults like a cell that won't die on its own.

Some interesting facts;

If you are male and live to 90 years you have 100% of having prostate cancer, you will probably die from something else.

Heart and stroke are the major causes of death in Canada.

Death is not medically preventable.

[Coho911]

1. Dichloroacetic Acid

2. Low carb - High green vegetable (high nutrient) foods

3. LOW Stress environment with lots of humour and enjoyment.

[Carson12]

As mentioned, Cancer is extremely complicated and covers a lot of ground, biologically speaking. We've made a lot of advances in the understanding of it over the last 50 years, however with the exception of a few specific cancers I think it's fair to say that for the trillions of dollars spent on research, we haven't got a lot of return as far as on the ground cures.

My feeling is that understanding is the essential first step, but practical manipulation of the underlying mechanisms is something completely different and currently lies beyond our grasp. Most Chemo isn't all that different from what we used 40 years ago, and that area feels tapped out. I think we will require a breakthrough in another field (ie physics) to spill over and create a paradigm shift in how we approach this (think of how the development of the "computer" decades ago seemed very purpose specific at first, but now influences everything from the fuel economy in your truck to how you take pictures).

For now, prevention is all we can preach. Ya, we're all gonna die, but I still buckle up when I drive.

This is a decent place to start:

http://www.amazon.ca/Healthy-Home-Pr...s=healthy+home

Might sound a little hokey but I found it surprisingly well done, drawing from a research base yet willing to go a little further to make practical suggestions. Your library probably has it.

[nekred]

The treatment of cancer is a huge multi-million dollar industry....

Why kill the cash cow or the goose laying golden eggs with a cure.

[Deo101]

DCA. Thought for sure that was what original post was going to about since it came from U@A. It's not a cure all and in early stages of testing but the funding troubles they face is total proof that it's all about business. DCA is not patenable, hence lack of funding. The thing that always gets me, is the medical community not embracing any and all possible treatments. I'm sure anyone with terminal cancer would be willing to try just about anything. That's how you collect the data. I believe there are many people self medicating with DCA at this very moment. Unfortunately any findings will be useless, be them good or bad.

[tbiddy]

Originally Posted by nekred

The treatment of cancer is a huge multi-million dollar industry....

Why kill the cash cow or the goose laying golden eggs with a cure.

On the other hand, couldn't they charge whatever they want for the cure? My dad found out he had liver cancer in March. Passed away in July. I know if there was a cure we could have paid for, I would sold everything and spent every penny to have him here today.

So if they make millions on treatment, couldn't they make billions on cures?

[NEWB]

TED talks cancer Anti angiogenesis

http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li

Worth the 20 minutes. It will blow your mind.

You can do some more research on the subject and see for yourself...

[nekred]

Originally Posted by Deo101

DCA. Thought for sure that was what original post was going to about since it came from U@A. It's not a cure all and in early stages of testing but the funding troubles they face is total proof that it's all about business. DCA is not patenable, hence lack of funding. The thing that always gets me, is the medical community not embracing any and all possible treatments. I'm sure anyone with terminal cancer would be willing to try just about anything. That's how you collect the data. I believe there are many people self medicating with DCA at this very moment. Unfortunately any findings will be useless, be them good or bad.

I read about this.... could not remember the name.... This is a great case in point about pharmaceuticals....

[NEWB]

Originally Posted by nekred

I read about this.... could not remember the name.... This is a great case in point about pharmaceuticals....

Google "dca cancer cure university of alberta" and in videos. You will find your answer there.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by topgun2269

Hello everybody, I know this question has come up a thousand times but I would like all of your thoughts... We spent the last four days at the university of alberta with our daughter who had a back procedure done. We are very lucky she is fine and on the mend. My question is that she was on a floor that had patients dealing or about to deal with cancer and the possible treatments. I heard a lady say that she hopes it's breast cancer and not bone cancer! I felt so bad for her and what she has to deal with very soon. Are we not closer to a cure to this deadly disease. I lost my sister to this many years ago and find it just hard to believe we are really not any closer to a cure. Just my thoughts....thanks in advance for your comments.

Glad to hear your little one is good to go, cancer question who knows, it is sad for all the people lost due to this.

[Deo101]

Originally Posted by tbiddy

On the other hand, couldn't they charge whatever they want for the cure? My dad found out he had liver cancer in March. Passed away in July. I know if there was a cure we could have paid for, I would sold everything and spent every penny to have him here today.

So if they make millions on treatment, couldn't they make billions on cures?

I don't think there's such thing as a "cure" so to speak. Better treatments and ways of killing the cancer off yes, but cancer is a part of us. That said there isn't necessarily money to made if the "cure" or "treatment" isn't something that can be made proprietary. Natural compounds, green diets etc. would never be endorsed or sent to clinical trial since you can just buy this stuff on your own.

How many natural remedies for anything have you every been recommended?

[skidderman]

Originally Posted by Coho911

1. Dichloroacetic Acid

2. Low carb - High green vegetable (high nutrient) foods

3. LOW Stress environment with lots of humour and enjoyment.

Have been told that cancer can't live in our body if PH is at the correct level. Have looked into it but I get conflicting information. One site says high PH, another says low. The web is full of conflicting information on all aspects of cancer. I wish we could get one right answer.

[Deo101]

I've heard the ph thing as well. I think the rates of cancer are very much so linked to our diet. Without getting to deep on the topic I think North Americans need to eat a hell of a lot more greens. I find it appalling the amount of money that goes into cancer research with little to nothing to show for it. My Grandma recently passed away (right full of cancer) and you think they even survey the patients for diet, occupation, etc.....Isn't a lot of information right in front of us? Has anyone here experienced this type of data collection? Wouldn't it be valuable to collect and possibly correlate?