explanation required

[Trevman]

Looking for an explanation

I have been putting in for the Bison draw now for the last 3 years, but my priority is still showing at a 0. Would one of you fine folks please explain why this would be happening.

Cheers,

[Donkey Oatey]

Bison draw is a true lottery. No priority is gained on entering the bison draw.

[spotnstockhillbilly]

That's total bull. It should be set up te same I know a guy that has gotten drawn twice for it and I haven't seen it yet and have been putting in for it since it started

[Big Daddy Badger]

Maybe it should just be a once in a lifetime hunt?
You get drawn...your name can't be submitted again.

[greywolf]

I assume there is a reason for no priority on the Buffalo draw???
Anyone???

Originally Posted by greywolf

I assume there is a reason for no priority on the Buffalo draw???
Anyone???

They didn't want to run into the same issue they ran in to with the sheep draws I guess. Basically if you didn't get in the first year of the draw on a long odd priority draw, you will never draw a tag. It's really not that fair to youth or those new to the province that couldn't apply from day one. This gives everyone the same chance.

[depopulator]

Not to derail, but why not keep/implement the priority-process for all draws but make 25% (or more?) of available tags a true lottery ?

Originally Posted by depopulator

Not to derail, but why not keep/implement the priority-process for all draws but make 25% (or more?) of available tags a true lottery ?

I've asked that question a few times myself.

[Jamie Black R/T]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Maybe it should just be a once in a lifetime hunt?
You get drawn...your name can't be submitted again.

100% the way it should be.

with such a low chance of getting drawn there is no way they should allow one applicant to be drawn a second time

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by Trevman

Looking for an explanation

I have been putting in for the Bison draw now for the last 3 years, but my priority is still showing at a 0. Would one of you fine folks please explain why this would be happening.

Cheers,

the explanation is very simple....but you wont like it. its because you didnt read and understand the draw info. it is easily done, and if you had you wouldnt be asking.

[6tmile]

Why even put in for the draw, If you want to shoot a buff go shoot one aslong as its not in the parks or the bison protection area. (chin river north)

[avb3]

Originally Posted by depopulator

Not to derail, but why not keep/implement the priority-process for all draws but make 25% (or more?) of available tags a true lottery ?

Originally Posted by sheephunter

I've asked that question a few times myself.

Guys, let's not go there!

You have no idea how hard it was to get the priority draw in the first place. It then took some rejigging to make it what it has been the past few years.

It's fair, it works. To introduce a lottery aspect destroys the premise it was built on. Lottery for some species such as buffalo? Sure, it makes sense, as there would be no way the priority system would work in those cases.

But to introduce it across the board can lead to those unintended consequences. If 25% this year, why not 50% next. Ah, what the heck, lets make it 80%. Hey, why not 100%.

And then we would be back to the inequities of some people being drawn multiple times in a row, and others never.

We fought for a good system, it got improved, let's leave it there.

It would solve a lot of the issues they created with the long odd priority draws that they don't seem to know what to do with. I don't see an issue with giving out a small percentage of the tags on a strict lottery. I don't see anyone asking them to change the system totally.

[elkhunter11]

Guys, let's not go there!

You have no idea how hard it was to get the priority draw in the first place. It then took some rejigging to make it what it has been the past few years.

It's fair, it works. To introduce a lottery aspect destroys the premise it was built on. Lottery for some species such as buffalo? Sure, it makes sense, as there would be no way the priority system would work in those cases.

But to introduce it across the board can lead to those unintended consequences. If 25% this year, why not 50% next. Ah, what the heck, lets make it 80%. Hey, why not 100%.

And then we would be back to the inequities of some people being drawn multiple times in a row, and others never.

We fought for a good system, it got improved, let's leave it there.

Well said.
In the case where a resident has to wait over 10 years to draw a tag, I would eliminate all non resident hunting for that species in that WMU. If that still leaves a projected wait time of over 20 years, I would consider a total lottery type draw.

The only way that I would consider having part of the tags for a given species in a specific wmu by priority, and part by lottery, is:

-the projected chance of drawing by priority was less than 10%.

-no more than 10% of the tags were by lottery

-the people applying for the lottery received no priority points if they were not drawn

-the draws for priority and lottery would be separate, and you could only apply for one or the other.

[scrapper]

I like the idea of the once in a lifetime draw. If you get one great but you will never get two. If you look around there are lot of opportunities for private hunts. I know of several First Nations bands in Sask that advertise for hunters to thin out they're herds each fall. Last year they were charging 250.00 per animal. That is very reasonable.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by scrapper

I like the idea of the once in a lifetime draw. If you get one great but you will never get two. If you look around there are lot of opportunities for private hunts. I know of several First Nations bands in Sask that advertise for hunters to thin out they're herds each fall. Last year they were charging 250.00 per animal. That is very reasonable.

What does shooting Livestock have to do with the Hunting Draw system?


Hunting in Alberta will have a very bleak future if a mindset such as yours takes hold.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

What does shooting Livestock have to do with the Hunting Draw system?


Hunting in Alberta will have a very bleak future if a mindset such as yours takes hold.

not the same thing buff. indian reserves have the ability to sell hunts on their own land in SK. now im not saying that there arent situations where that can happen, but many reserves offer hunts for wild elk and mule deer.

[scrapper]

Some people just do not get it, these are free ranging herds....get it!!! free ranging herds, where did anyone say anything about shooting livestock....sheesh read the post did it say LIVESTOCK.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by scrapper

Some people just do not get it, these are free ranging herds....get it!!! free ranging herds, where did anyone say anything about shooting livestock....sheesh read the post did it say LIVESTOCK.

slow down pilgrim. buff is just not clear on what you meant. in alberta, wildlife have been domesticated and reclassified as livestock. most of them are sent to shoot farms in places like saksatchewan. not everyone realizes the differences that SK has set out for indian reserves. see my above post.

remember that sometimes communication isnt always as clear on the interweb as it is talking face to face.

[scrapper]

ISB thanks for the clarification on my post, there are people on here (buff) that most definately either can't read or don't read, or just feel the need to make stupid comments, man where did he get the LIVESTOCK thing from.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by scrapper

ISB thanks for the clarification on my post, there are people on here (buff) that most definately either can't read or don't read, or just feel the need to make stupid comments, man where did he get the LIVESTOCK thing from.

lol.....seems im posting answers faster than you can read em. must be on rural internet. its cool.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by scrapper

ISB thanks for the clarification on my post, there are people on here (buff) that most definately either can't read or don't read, or just feel the need to make stupid comments, man where did he get the LIVESTOCK thing from.

Ol Scrapper, Living up to his name.


Native reserves in Sask do sell hunts for Wildlife, and for Livestock. Before you drop your coin on a Sask. Reserve hunt, you might want to confirm where the animal came from. Lots of Reserve Elk, Mule Deer, WT Deer, and if you ask nicely ($), Bighorn Sheep, are purchased by the Band for the "hunt".


Lets focus this back to the Alberta Draw system. Your comment that Albertans should look to "Private hunts" hunts, in or out of province, as a consideration for how we run our Wildlife hunting draw system is IMO, a very poor mindset.

[scrapper]

10-4 lets stick to the draw....sorry just can't seem to bypass or miss an opportunity of getting into a wreck.

[mcreg]

As I have mentioned on several Threads I was lucky enough to get drawn the first year it was offered. After the draw I was asked to comment on the "Draw System" and offer my opinion. One of the topics for discussion was the "Once-in-a lifetime" senario. In my opinion this is extremely fair, however there were enough opposed that it didn't go anywhere? My comments to those opposed was "what if you hadn't got drawn, would you have the same opinion?" For what it's worth, my opinion remains the same and I for 1 will not put in again, I feel it's only fair!

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by 6tmile

Why even put in for the draw, If you want to shoot a buff go shoot one aslong as its not in the parks or the bison protection area. (chin river north)

Im not sure where chin river north is, But I also heard that around fort mac, you dont need a tag either

[mcreg]

Any bison East of the McKenzie Hiway is fair game, no license required -at least so I was told! Andrew lake Lodge offers bison hunts as do several AB Outfitters.
Good Luck

[riden]

Originally Posted by mcreg

Any bison East of the McKenzie Hiway is fair game, no license required -at least so I was told! Andrew lake Lodge offers bison hunts as do several AB Outfitters.
Good Luck

I know lots of guys who have done it. I don't think it is that easy though. you need to know where the herd is and most guys I know, use aircraft for that. I haven't heard of much success unless you are ready to drop everything when you get a report.

I thought this herd had a lot of TB though???

[PBHunter]

Originally Posted by riden

I thought this herd had a lot of TB though???

In the Wood Buffalo herd, tuberculosis and brucelosis are endemic yes ... becareful when field dressing There was also a recent outbreak of anthrax in the Mackenzie Bison sanctuary .. I believe 125 dead, corpses burnt but not sure on exact details ... and yes anthrax does sporadically show up in Alberta cattle /wildlife ... all of these diseases are reportable by law in Canada and are "zoonotic" meaning they can infect / be transmitted to humans.

[mxz1997]

They just tested nine animals from the wentzel herd. None had TB and two had brucellosis. Definantly want to be a bit carefull.

[riden]

Can you eat a sick animal?

Personally, the whole thing turns me off completely. I live where I could hunt these herds in the winter if i wanted to. But, I just don't see how it is worth it.