This is how detached from reality we have become

[jungleboy]

The answer is staring everyone in the face and nobody wants to acknowledge it. It’s time to build a wall! They need a 20 foot wall and a moat and a Draw bridge.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by triguy

this is not really a woke issue. This is a bear attractant issue. we have bear proof garbage bins. This is just another way of not attracting bears into the townsite! Now we can hunt them on the outside of town limits. What's the issue?

So we don't allow fruit to grow on trees, do we also ban gardens? Do we ban bbqs because the smells attract bears? I can see leaving piles of fruit in your yard, but on the tree is another situation entirely.

[CBintheNorth]

I wonder if the counselors in Canmore own an Orchard that delivers fresh fruit to the town?

[JeanCretien]

Originally Posted by W921

It kind of makes me laugh. When I was cursed with a grizzly and wolves the fish cops are all like the grizzly and wolves have more right to be here than you or your cows. Haha part of me is all for wildlife in town. Fish cops shouldn't have shot that bear. Remember like they used to tell me. The wildlife was here first. Haha I think it's great.
Black bears are nothing. They should be happy they don't have wolves.

Those Fish and Wildlife guys shouldn’t be allowed to eat beef then.


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[CNP]

Maybe if you live in a town where bears aren't a DAILY problem you cannot grasp that the bylaw in place in Canmore is necessary so as not to habituate wildlife.

I don't live in Canmore, I live in Crowsnest Pass and I'm guessing that Canmore and Crowsnest pass have similar bylaws in place that discuss wildlife attractants.

Crowsnest Pass Bylaw 991, 2017
Section 12 - Wildlife Attractants
12.1 No owner or occupant of a premises shall place, store, permit, or dispose of Wildlife
Attractants outdoors in such a manner that they are accessible to wildlife.
12.2 No person shall feed or attempt to feed wildlife, or deposit Wildlife Attractants in a place
or manner that attracts wildlife.
12.3 Owners or occupiers of a parcel are responsible to remove ripened fruit from trees and
ground in order to deter wildlife from feeding within the Municipality.
12.4 Bird feeders are to be removed once they become an attractant.


If you live in a small town, surrounded by bears and you attract bears to your property, you are not PART of the problem...you are the ENTIRE problem. If there is a bylaw in place that you are not in compliance with, you should expect to be fined. This is an ongoing problem in CNP. Bears, both black and grizzly, roam our town rummaging through garbage that should not be stored outside in non-bearproof containers and grazing on ripened fruit trees. Residents and visitors are both contributing to the habituation of bears here and that leads to a bears demise. Relocating bears is not a solution as they often return or find a home in anew community.

Yeah, if you are a landowner you and your friends can shoot as many black bears as you want, every day, in any season, no license required. That's animal control 101 on a ranch.

In town, the only control available is to eradicate the food source. If we can't do that we contribute to people/bear conflicts and habituating bears. Habituated bears are dead bears.

[elkhunter11]

I lived in a city where bears roamed the city on a regular basis for 35 years, and we had no such bylaw. F&W did remove some bears, and some were destroyed, but there were no attacks in town. Then again, the city was about as far from woke as you can get, and a huge percentage of the people hunted.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I lived in a city where bears roamed the city on a regular basis for 35 years, and we had no such bylaw. F&W did remove some bears, and some were destroyed, but there were no attacks in town. Then again, the city was about as far from woke as you can get, and a huge percentage of the people hunted.

Crowsnest Pass is about as far from woke as you can get in Alberta and the bylaw has nothing to do with a woke agenda. Some people are unteachable, some people don’t care and the result is bears in the alleys, in backyards, in garages and even businesses. These bears won’t live long and generally smart people don’t like bears in their kids neighborhoods. Pincher Creek grizzly: https://shootinthebreeze.ca/bear-bre...fice-products/

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So we don't allow fruit to grow on trees, do we also ban gardens? Do we ban bbqs because the smells attract bears? I can see leaving piles of fruit in your yard, but on the tree is another situation entirely.

And this is really the issue - how far does a homeowner need to go?

Having a BBQ sitting on your deck - is that technically considered an attractant?

Or having a picnic in your yard? Technically, that could also be considered an attractant.

How far will it go? Look at some of the national parks in the USA - it's gotten to the point that a bear will tear your car apart is you so much as leave a gum wrapper in your vehicle. And you will be fined.

No easy answers, but I'm sure most will understand what I'm getting at here.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by CNP

Crowsnest Pass is about as far from woke as you can get in Alberta and the bylaw has nothing to do with a woke agenda. Some people are unteachable, some people don’t care and the result is bears in the alleys, in backyards, in garages and even businesses. These bears won’t live long and generally smart people don’t like bears in their kids neighborhoods. Pincher Creek grizzly: https://shootinthebreeze.ca/bear-bre...fice-products/

We lived with bears, we didn't have bear attacks, because we made an effort to not attract them, but we didn't need a bylaw to ban ripe fruit on trees.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by CNP

Crowsnest Pass is about as far from woke as you can get in Alberta and the bylaw has nothing to do with a woke agenda. Some people are unteachable, some people don’t care and the result is bears in the alleys, in backyards, in garages and even businesses. These bears won’t live long and generally smart people don’t like bears in their kids neighborhoods. Pincher Creek grizzly: https://shootinthebreeze.ca/bear-bre...fice-products/

So do we fine Pincher Office Products for having too big of windows?

The woke part is the reaction. This is what it is. Apples on trees. This isn’t wanton litter.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

And this is really the issue - how far does a homeowner need to go?

Having a BBQ sitting on your deck - is that technically considered an attractant?

Or having a picnic in your yard? Technically, that could also be considered an attractant.

How far will it go? Look at some of the national parks in the USA - it's gotten to the point that a bear will tear your car apart is you so much as leave a gum wrapper in your vehicle. And you will be fined.

No easy answers, but I'm sure most will understand what I'm getting at here.

There is an easy answer. That answer is controlled predator population control.

[creeky]

Alberta Parks are removing female buffaloberry plants @ Kananaskis Rawson Lake trail to [B]“encourage bears to seek buffalo berries elsewhere”.



Creeky....


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[Dean2]

Originally Posted by CNP

Maybe if you live in a town where bears aren't a DAILY problem you cannot grasp that the bylaw in place in Canmore is necessary so as not to habituate wildlife.

I don't live in Canmore, I live in Crowsnest Pass and I'm guessing that Canmore and Crowsnest pass have similar bylaws in place that discuss wildlife attractants.

Crowsnest Pass Bylaw 991, 2017
Section 12 - Wildlife Attractants
12.1 No owner or occupant of a premises shall place, store, permit, or dispose of Wildlife
Attractants outdoors in such a manner that they are accessible to wildlife.
12.2 No person shall feed or attempt to feed wildlife, or deposit Wildlife Attractants in a place
or manner that attracts wildlife.
12.3 Owners or occupiers of a parcel are responsible to remove ripened fruit from trees and
ground in order to deter wildlife from feeding within the Municipality.
12.4 Bird feeders are to be removed once they become an attractant.


If you live in a small town, surrounded by bears and you attract bears to your property, you are not PART of the problem...you are the ENTIRE problem. If there is a bylaw in place that you are not in compliance with, you should expect to be fined. This is an ongoing problem in CNP. Bears, both black and grizzly, roam our town rummaging through garbage that should not be stored outside in non-bearproof containers and grazing on ripened fruit trees. Residents and visitors are both contributing to the habituation of bears here and that leads to a bears demise. Relocating bears is not a solution as they often return or find a home in anew community.

Yeah, if you are a landowner you and your friends can shoot as many black bears as you want, every day, in any season, no license required. That's animal control 101 on a ranch.

In town, the only control available is to eradicate the food source. If we can't do that we contribute to people/bear conflicts and habituating bears. Habituated bears are dead bears.

Dead wrong. The answer in town is the same as out of town. I shot bear control for over 20 years and most people would never believe the numbers of bears eliminated every year in Alberta alone. There were days we killed 20 bears that were raiding crops or hives, in a single day. There is no shortage of bears, black or grizzly. If they conflict with humans and show no fear of humans, or impinge or threaten humans then eliminate the bear. All this horse sh$t about they were here first and it is their land is the quintessential definition of woke.

If man gives up his position of apex predator there are lessor predators that will takeover the position.

[Smokinyotes]

Well said Dean.

[Pathfinder76]

It is.

[W921]

In my area some of the new residents are complaining about traffic in town not slowing down enough around the deer in town. Haha apparently deer have right away

[antlercarver]

I think I would sooner live with bears than with many of the people that are around now. That is for a number of different reasons. If you want to see stupid ,unreasonable, greedy, self righteous and self entitled, just look around.

[Trochu]

I feel there is a reasonable balance between blasting every single bear a guy sees and leaving apples rotting on the ground/garbage out/deer carcass in the back yard.

[W921]

Where I used to live. I suspected fish cops were dumping problem bears. No proof but was either that or some adult bears just had no natural fear of people . They sure acted educated about people and there was no way for them to be.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I feel there is a reasonable balance between blasting every single bear a guy sees and leaving apples rotting on the ground/garbage out/deer carcass in the back yard.

Aren’t we talking about one bear here? Seems pretty reasonable I’d say.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Dead wrong. The answer in town is the same as out of town. I shot bear control for over 20 years and most people would never believe the numbers of bears eliminated every year in Alberta alone. There were days we killed 20 bears that were raiding crops or hives, in a single day. There is no shortage of bears, black or grizzly. If they conflict with humans and show no fear of humans, or impinge or threaten humans then eliminate the bear. All this horse sh$t about they were here first and it is their land is the quintessential definition of woke.

If man gives up his position of apex predator there are lessor predators that will takeover the position.

Exactly.
25 years ago I had an uncle with a pasture along the Beaver River. He suspected he had a bear problem. He invited me out one evening to see if we could get a bear. We did, we shot 12 bears that night. Later in the fall he got 4 more bears. My cousin now runs the farm and he still gets multiple bears a year out of that same pasture.

BW

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Dead wrong. The answer in town is the same as out of town. I shot bear control for over 20 years and most people would never believe the numbers of bears eliminated every year in Alberta alone. There were days we killed 20 bears that were raiding crops or hives, in a single day. There is no shortage of bears, black or grizzly. If they conflict with humans and show no fear of humans, or impinge or threaten humans then eliminate the bear. All this horse sh$t about they were here first and it is their land is the quintessential definition of woke.

If man gives up his position of apex predator there are lessor predators that will takeover the position.

Please tell me what I'm "dead wrong" about.

[esher]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Exactly.
25 years ago I had an uncle with a pasture along the Beaver River. He suspected he had a bear problem. He invited me out one evening to see if we could get a bear. We did, we shot 12 bears that night. Later in the fall he got 4 more bears. My cousin now runs the farm and he still gets multiple bears a year out of that same pasture.

BW

A few years ago a uncle along the north Saskatchewan shot 30.

[ctd]

So does that mean the nice 6x6 elk that hangs out in your front yard you have to remove him? He is attracting bears?

I grew up on Vancouver Island. Full of black bears and cougars. We always had them in our yards. A few times the bears got drunk due to eating to much fruit.
We generally co-existed and the6 did not eat our garbage because they were already well fed with all the dear, berry's, grubs and fruit.

[CNP]

Absolutely nothing wrong with being proactive in this town by keeping bears out and not being responsible for habituating bears. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1B5...ibextid=WC7FNe

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by CNP

Absolutely nothing wrong with being proactive in this town by keeping bears out and not being responsible for habituating bears. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1B5...ibextid=WC7FNe

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