Eleven new institutions for drug addiction.

[ctd]

Alberta is putting money into Drug Treatment programs. Not drug dependency programs which have failed.

So far their success rate seems to be decent EHN and others have seen some success in their programs.

Most of us have seen with the safe Injections sites are increased use and program services with some money scandals. A large population of homeless flocking to the site locations.

Who know what's better or worse

Right now Redneck anti social program Alberta is putting money and resources into social programs like no other Province. We are on the postive International spot light for doing so.

[densa44]

I think that we have an answer HVA7mm puts it best, until we have a better solution, ranging from killing dealers/addicts etc. we will have to use institutions.

BTW we have lots of hospitals and spend more than other provinces. We don't run it very well. In desparate times such as the blitz in England, they used agressive triage at the front door of hospitals and it worked great. We can do it too, get rid of the "walking worried" identify the acutely ill and send them to treatment, those near death to a comfortable surronding.

It would be as popular as cement bench's suggestions.

Thank you all for responding as quickly as you did. As I said, it seems that there is no cure on the horizon, so we will have to use the institution solution. THX.

[6.5 shooter]

No cure, BUT NA, AA and OEA and a multitude of other 12 step programs are free. And they work, IF you work the program.

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by bat119

You can only help those that want to helped once the drugs erode the brain all hope is lost.

This is what most people don't understand about addiction, once it takes hold it re-wires the users brain so any hope is all but lost. The grip addiction has on someone isn't even a fair fight, it's amazing that some people are able to kick for good.

The sad part is this fentanyl isn't the unstoppable force some think it is. 80% of all pre-cursers supplied to all the Mexican Cartels comes from one chemical company in China, how hard can it be to shut down that supply line?

Some say this is payback for 'Muricans introducing Opium to China.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsSuW...F5YmFjaw%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BR7YVA...F5YmFjaw%3D%3D

Another fun fact is the Sackler family and Perdue Pharma is largely responsible for this epidemic, yet still they elude responsibility despite being fined 600 million even though they have made well over a billion off of selling Oxy's as a "safe, non addictive" drug. It's basically Heroin by another name, and because you buy it from a Pharmacy instead of the corner dealer it's ok, somehow.

Another fun fact, Perdue Pharma was also responsible for another epidemic back in the late 60's & 70's helping housewives get hooked on Valium.

The Sackler's are pure scum, especially Richard, the worlds biggest drug kingpin to never face any real pressure from law enforcement. Everyone wants to lock up drug dealers, why don't we start with one of the biggest in the world?

Because big Pharma is one of the biggest political contributors to both parties, always follow the money. There are many well made documentaries made about them and how Oxy's played a roll in all of this on YouTube and the Flix for anyone who wants to enlighten themselves. Believe it or not some people still think you can just force an addict into treatment, that is the most insane thing I've ever read about addiction. That's not how it works, it's just not, you can't force someone into treatment.

It's good to see a lot more people understanding it, sadly because it's likely hit home for them and they have to face it head on in one form or another.

Addiction is a WICKED thing I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

[barsik]

what is needed is for someone to formulate a substance like naloxone (narcan) that stays active in the brain preventing the opiods and other addictive drugs from being addictive. opiod addiction can turn anyone into an addict and very few are able to break free and become normal again.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by does it ALL outdoors

This is what most people don't understand about addiction, once it takes hold it re-wires the users brain so any hope is all but lost. The grip addiction has on someone isn't even a fair fight, it's amazing that some people are able to kick for good.

The sad part is this fentanyl isn't the unstoppable force some think it is. 80% of all pre-cursers supplied to all the Mexican Cartels comes from one chemical company in China, how hard can it be to shut down that supply line?

Some say this is payback for 'Muricans introducing Opium to China.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsSuW...F5YmFjaw%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BR7YVA...F5YmFjaw%3D%3D

Another fun fact is the Sackler family and Perdue Pharma is largely responsible for this epidemic, yet still they elude responsibility despite being fined 600 million even though they have made well over a billion off of selling Oxy's as a "safe, non addictive" drug. It's basically Heroin by another name, and because you buy it from a Pharmacy instead of the corner dealer it's ok, somehow.

Another fun fact, Perdue Pharma was also responsible for another epidemic back in the late 60's & 70's helping housewives get hooked on Valium.

The Sackler's are pure scum, especially Richard, the worlds biggest drug kingpin to never face any real pressure from law enforcement. Everyone wants to lock up drug dealers, why don't we start with one of the biggest in the world?

Because big Pharma is one of the biggest political contributors to both parties, always follow the money. There are many well made documentaries made about them and how Oxy's played a roll in all of this on YouTube and the Flix for anyone who wants to enlighten themselves. Believe it or not some people still think you can just force an addict into treatment, that is the most insane thing I've ever read about addiction. That's not how it works, it's just not, you can't force someone into treatment.

It's good to see a lot more people understanding it, sadly because it's likely hit home for them and they have to face it head on in one form or another.

Addiction is a WICKED thing I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

There you go using facts 🤓


Punishing the addicted isn’t the way to end this.

[W921]

[QUOTE=does it ALL outdoors;4734112]

So say this is payback for 'Muricans introducing Opium to China



I've heard this even on TV news about serves America right because opium wars but they are wrong. It was the British not the Americans.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by does it ALL outdoors

Another fun fact, Perdue Pharma was also responsible for another epidemic back in the late 60's & 70's helping housewives get hooked on Valium.

Oh, I remember that!

There was a doctor that many of the ladies in our circle would advise each other to go to, because his go-to was to prescribe Valium.

When we kids realized it, a lightbulb went on for us. It explained a lot, when it came to their behavior.

[britman101]

Well July has begun, and still no major announcements about the new " Alberta Recovery Centre". You would have thought there would have been considerable fanfare to announce where the head office will be and to introduce the individuals who will be running the show. However, it seems like the status quo is still in effect for individuals seeking help for mental health and addictions. It will be interesting to see what changes the new regime will set in place in Alberta.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by britman101

Well July has begun, and still no major announcements about the new " Alberta Recovery Centre". You would have thought there would have been considerable fanfare to announce where the head office will be and to introduce the individuals who will be running the show. However, it seems like the status quo is still in effect for individuals seeking help for mental health and addictions. It will be interesting to see what changes the new regime will set in place in Alberta.

There won't be any changes. It will just be another government bureaucracy to justify more taxes. Bureaucracy's have never cured anyone or anything. They just exacerbate the problem. Once a bureaucracy is created it becomes nothing more than a self serving monster doing nothing but justifying it's existence and ever increasing budgets. The only thing they are interested in is keeping the bureaucracy going and the only way to keep it going is to ensure the problem becomes permanent and growing.

Perfect example is clean needle and shoot up sites, gov't giving out free drugs like they do in BC, ambulances chasing addicts with naloxone to bring them back to life so they can keep shooting up. Anybody with half a brain knows this is nothing more than enabling, removing the stigma and making hard drug addiction and addicts socially acceptable. The more attention we give to the problem, the more tax dollars we spend, the worse it gets. We've been watching this unfold in real time right before our eyes for decades.

[W921]

Went to lethbridge today. These zombies . It's so sad. Part of me is like basically they are already dead. I don't know how possible to fix these lost souls but if one of these addicts want to turn things around I think it's right to try to help them.
Seems incredible how snowbirds are searched ,questioned and gone over by customs but most sea cans from China can't be checked ? Oh my wouldn't it be awful if China trade was slowed down and we actually made some things in our own country

[1899b]

Originally Posted by Cement Bench

we understand your concern but don’t mix issues

1 problem to solve at a time

they are different and solutions are not interchangeable

start a new thread and we can comment there

you have however highlighted a problem which is why things don’t get solved there is too much

WHAT ABOUT THIS discussion to muddy the waters and dilute the chance of reaching a SEMI-PERMANENT solution

look forward to the new thread

now back to the issue at hand

Sure we can cherry pick which strain we want to deal with first I guess.
There are more obese folks than drug addicts putting “a strain” on the system but you all carry on…

lol