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What a pain in the but to upload pics.... I lost my post but did get my pics to finally show up... I have had the frabill 10" pro thermal tip ups for over 5 years and they are awsome... never have to worry about freezing, hole stay open down to -25 atleast....there is a spot for a little led light to attach onto flag for nite fisting... works on same ides as a mercury switch.... ht also makes the other orange tip up i have posted here.... i own 2 and very similar to frabill's and very good .... these 2 tip ups both stack neatly in 5 gallon pails, can fit 5-6 in one pail.... the blue tip up ht makes as well is a good tip up but the dummy's made the shaft and spool to long to fit in a 5 gallon pail... 2 inches shorter would be great and alos not as insulated at the other to... all three cover hole completly preventing unatural daylight keeps environment as natural and non spooking as the open hole tips let unnatural beams of light....the insulated ones are 30 bucks and last one is 20 like i said have owned for over 5 years and never done a thing and they work flawlessly