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Secret closed door meetings worries AFGA
This from an AFGA Facebook post:
Proposed new Elk Farming Regulations
It has come to the attention of the Alberta Fish and Game Association from two different sources that regulation changes relating to the escape of animals from game farms are being proposed without public consultation. If what we have heard is correct, the proposed changes could have profound and far reaching implications relating to public ownership of free ranging wildlife that have not been adequately considered, due to game farming regulations falling under Alberta Agriculture.
It is inferred that the game farmer would own the animals in perpetuity even if they escape, and regardless of the number of escapees. And further, that if a hunter kills one of these animals and then finds out it originated from a farm he would not held liable, but would have to contact authorities who would determine the owner of the animal, who will then in turn have to deal with the carcass.
Apparently this matter is time sensitive as the closed door discussions are nearing completion.
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Sounds like a case of "what ear tag", or perhaps shoot, shovel and shut up.
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04-01-2014, 03:11 PM
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why are they escaping and how many free wanderers are getting in?
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04-01-2014, 03:48 PM
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Finders keepers....charge the game farmer with endangering native animals...
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04-01-2014, 03:53 PM
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How would one tell if the tags are from a relocation or a escapee from a farm?
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04-01-2014, 03:54 PM
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Sounds like April fools to me
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04-01-2014, 04:07 PM
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Are they talking about creationists farming elk, or darwinists farming elk?
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04-01-2014, 04:39 PM
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Sounds like April fools to me
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04-01-2014, 04:48 PM
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Sounds like April fools to me
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Sadly, it's not.
See the AFGA website.
http://www.afga.org/news-updates.html
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I was reading in one of the hunting magazines last year (or maybe the year before) some young woman new to the sport of hunting shot a 27 point deer in the US. It had tags on the ear and she later found out it had escaped from a farm who had just purchased it for $25,000. Apparently a problem with the electric gate.
The story had a nice ending as they company could have demanded both payment and the return of the animal but instead let her keep everything without issue.
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This is another step towards the end Goal of the Diversified Livestock Industry.
TO OWN FREE RANGING WILDLIFE!
This concept was researched in depth long before Captive Game Farming was legal in Canada.
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04-01-2014, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
This is another step towards the end Goal of the Diversified Livestock Industry.
TO OWN FREE RANGING WILDLIFE!
This concept was researched in depth long before Captive Game Farming was legal in Canada.
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You should contact Darrell Rowledge on this one. I don't know if I have his current contact info.
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04-01-2014, 05:44 PM
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Got this from AFGA today also.
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Swap "animals" with "prisoners", and game farm with prison. You might have something there......
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now that is funny. shoot the animal call the authorities and let them find the owner then get the owner to take the carcass. well how about you be quick about it if you know what i mean.
If I see and animal in the woods imma consider it a wild animal
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04-01-2014, 06:05 PM
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what ear tag?
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04-01-2014, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by avb3
You should contact Darrell Rowledge on this one. I don't know if I have his current contact info.
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lol... I just called him before reading this post. The bugger is probably off today being a moviestar. I'm sure he'll get in touch when the assistants are finished with him. 
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Swap "animals" with "prisoners", and game farm with prison. You might have something there......
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Swap "Canada" with "China" and democracy with communist dictatorship. You might have something there...
...that real Albertan conservatives would vote for.
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lol... I just called him before reading this post. The bugger is probably off today being a moviestar. I'm sure he'll get in touch when the assistants are finished with him. |
I got to admire his tenacity... He's been on this file for over 20 years.
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I got to admire his tenacity... He's been on this file for over 20 years.
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And hopefully the AFGA will put their ego aside and listen to him again. They are losing out on a very valuable intellect and world renowned advocate on this issue.
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And hopefully the AFGA will put their ego aside and listen to him again. They are losing out on a very valuable intellect and world renowned advocate on this issue.
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I can't speak for the current board. I doubt most are familiar with him, although the AFGA executive director would at least know of him. Last discussion I'm aware of dealt with questions on a film on CWD. That was a couple of years ago I believe.
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04-01-2014, 08:45 PM
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So if by some slim chance a hunter shoots a farmed elk that escaped he must contact the authorities. Whoop de doo. A big deal why?
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04-01-2014, 08:49 PM
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So if by some slim chance a hunter shoots a farmed elk that escaped he must contact the authorities. Whoop de doo. A big deal why?
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All farmed elk are DNA'd (or used to be)....should be able to determine if it is wild or farmed fairly decisively.
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Why would you not shoot a escaped elk out of disease transmission concerns.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3
This from an AFGA Facebook post:
Proposed new Elk Farming Regulations
It has come to the attention of the Alberta Fish and Game Association from two different sources that regulation changes relating to the escape of animals from game farms are being proposed without public consultation. If what we have heard is correct, the proposed changes could have profound and far reaching implications relating to public ownership of free ranging wildlife that have not been adequately considered, due to game farming regulations falling under Alberta Agriculture.
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Apparently this matter is time sensitive as the closed door discussions are nearing completion.
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Is that so?
Well what happens if I hit it with my truck or I drop it in my friends field where it just finished ruining a bunch of feed?
Ownership in perpetuity is all well and fine but when their animal damages property, injures someone or spreads disease.... will they be so quick to step up and say the darn thing is their responsibility?
Somehow...I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger
Is that so?
Well what happens if I hit it with my truck or I drop it in my friends field where it just finished ruining a bunch of feed?
Ownership in perpetuity is all well and fine but when their animal damages property, injures someone or spreads disease.... will they be so quick to step up and say the darn thing is their responsibility?
Somehow...I doubt it.
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Would be no different then if his cows or horses got out, which happens much more often.
Didn't realize we had such a big problem in Alberta with farmers elk and deer running around the country. Not even safe to drive anymore, dang farmers leaving gates open all the time.
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
All farmed elk are DNA'd (or used to be)....should be able to determine if it is wild or farmed fairly decisively.
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What one sires some offspring, would those now be the farmers due the DNA test?
Where do farmed elk originate?
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Would be no different then if his cows or horses got out, which happens much more often.
Didn't realize we had such a big problem in Alberta with farmers elk and deer running around the country. Not even safe to drive anymore, dang farmers leaving gates open all the time.
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I never said that.
The point is that if farmed game animal gets out and it is ill.... who is picking up the tab for the damage it does to the wild herd?
There are other considerations as well.
The fact that the animal might be indistinguishable from a wild one also raises the bar a bit here.
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this makes me sad.
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