How can the police charge a guy with drunk driving in a hockey rink on a Zamboni and almost all golf carts are driven while drinking?

[Sundancefisher]

Or very frequently seen golfers chugging an alcoholic beverage while operating a golf cart.

Interesting court case coming.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/zamboni-dr...dent-1.7084491

[Twisted Canuck]

Criminal Code of Canada:

320.14 (1) Everyone commits an offence who

(a) operates a conveyance while the person’s ability to operate it is impaired to any degree by alcohol or a drug or by a combination of alcohol and a drug

That includes golf carts. Bicycles. Scissor lifts. Zambonis.

Conveyance is a very broad term.

[Savage Bacon]

Would that not be private property? Do motor vehicle laws still apply?

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[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Criminal Code of Canada:

320.14 (1) Everyone commits an offence who

(a) operates a conveyance while the person’s ability to operate it is impaired to any degree by alcohol or a drug or by a combination of alcohol and a drug

That includes golf carts. Bicycles. Scissor lifts. Zambonis.

Conveyance is a very broad term.

For purposes of the CCC and impaired riving laws, Conveyance is a motor vehicle, vessel, air craft, or railway equipment. Motor vehicle with engine displacement less than 50 cc's are not considered motor vehicle for purposes of the CCC and most provincial licensing laws. A golf cart is battery operated and would not be considered a Conveyance. Zamboni would be a Conveyance as the engine is greater than 50 cc's.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

For purposes of the CCC and impaired riving laws, Conveyance is a motor vehicle, vessel, air craft, or railway equipment. Motor vehicle with engine displacement less than 50 cc's are not considered motor vehicle for purposes of the CCC and most provincial licensing laws. A golf cart is battery operated and would not be considered a Conveyance. Zamboni would be a Conveyance as the engine is greater than 50 cc's.

Not all golf carts are battery powered, some are still gas powered. But it would be totally asinine to consider a gas powered golf cart differently from a battery powered cart, when both are governed to the same speed.

[Twisted Canuck]

And by the same reasoning, would a battery powered car such as a Tesla not be a conveyance then? I don't see a battery powered golf cart being excluded by virtue of its power source. But, the Criminal Code isn't a masterpiece of precise language. Just read the Firearms Act.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Not all golf carts are battery powered, some are still gas powered. But it would be totally asinine to consider a gas powered golf cart differently from a battery powered cart, when both are governed to the same speed.

I surprised you are shocked that one of our Canadian laws doesn't make sense.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

And by the same reasoning, would a battery powered car such as a Tesla not be a conveyance then? I don't see a battery powered golf cart being excluded by virtue of its power source. But, the Criminal Code isn't a masterpiece of precise language. Just read the Firearms Act.

My mistake, I guess it would fall into the "Motor Vehicle" category, as it is any vehicle that is not power by muscle power. So regular bike, drive drunk as you want, e- bike not so much. Maybe the golf carts are ok because they are not on a roadway? Which lends to ask the question, was the Zamboni on a roadway.

[Au revoir, Gopher]

I can see it now; check stops on the fairway of the 18th hole.

ARG

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

I surprised you are shocked that one of our Canadian laws doesn't make sense.

I never posted that I was shocked, I know full well that many of our Canadian laws make no sense, starting with our firearms laws and classifications.

[W921]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

And by the same reasoning, would a battery powered car such as a Tesla not be a conveyance then? I don't see a battery powered golf cart being excluded by virtue of its power source. But, the Criminal Code isn't a masterpiece of precise language. Just read the Firearms Act.

There is a hotel/bar in town and guys still occasionally tie up horses and go into the bar drinking. Not much business or mainstreet in this town so nobody reporting anyone but basically I'm asking, can you ride your horse drunk?

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by W921

There is a hotel/bar in town and guys still occasionally tie up horses and go into the bar drinking. Not much business or mainstreet in this town so nobody reporting anyone but basically I'm asking, can you ride your horse drunk?

In my home town, Orville always took the horse and wagon to the Legion. Would slap the horse on the ass, climb in the wagon and pass out, and end up home safe and sound.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by W921

There is a hotel/bar in town and guys still occasionally tie up horses and go into the bar drinking. Not much business or mainstreet in this town so nobody reporting anyone but basically I'm asking, can you ride your horse drunk?

The horse does the thinking for you in this case!
Officer the horse knows the way home


Aaaand we all know that Zamboni drivers are exempt cuz if there are no floods between periods Canada simply stops operating as a country.

Zam man is in poop by the law and employer or at least have a good story to get off the hook.


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[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Au revoir, Gopher

I can see it now; check stops on the fairway of the 18th hole.

ARG

Talk about a money maker.

[Talking moose]

Back in the day of Alberta liquor stores only, the local golf course in town opened at 7am.
From 7am until the liquor store opened at 10 was the busiest the golf course got for off sales.
Some people were still going and wanted more….
Some wanted to start early…..
Guilty of both……. Haha

[Pathfinder76]

Has anything else ruined more lives? Must be a heck of a drug.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Or very frequently seen golfers chugging an alcoholic beverage while operating a golf cart.

Interesting court case coming.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/zamboni-dr...dent-1.7084491

Both are stupid. The latter would likely have a problem if they crashed the cart into the side of the club house. The former is also on the job. Not sure why you are so upset. Stupid games deserve stupid prizes.

[6.5 shooter]

Most officers don't drive Zamboni's, most however, drive golf carts. Therein lies your answer.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Au revoir, Gopher

I can see it now; check stops on the fairway of the 18th hole.

ARG

Never happen, too many councilors, mayor's, influential business people and off duty police would be checked , and charged. And the course wouldn't allow them to take their parol vehicle on the course, or use a cart to harass the customers.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Both are stupid. The latter would likely have a problem if they crashed the cart into the side of the club house. The former is also on the job. Not sure why you are so upset. Stupid games deserve stupid prizes.

How do you come to the conclusion he is upset? Seems a reach.

[ghostguy6]

Originally Posted by W921

There is a hotel/bar in town and guys still occasionally tie up horses and go into the bar drinking. Not much business or mainstreet in this town so nobody reporting anyone but basically I'm asking, can you ride your horse drunk?

Technically that is prohibited. Legally licensed establishments in Alberta must still provide a hitching post and water for your horses. Its an old asinine law that no one enforces but technically its been on the books since 1905. Likely its not really enforced because its mostly illegal to ride a horse in the main cities without a permit.
We actually covered this in one of the training courses I had to take.

[walker1]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

In my home town, Orville always took the horse and wagon to the Legion. Would slap the horse on the ass, climb in the wagon and pass out, and end up home safe and sound.

Sounds like Deerfoot on a regular day

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Or very frequently seen golfers chugging an alcoholic beverage while operating a golf cart.

Interesting court case coming.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/zamboni-dr...dent-1.7084491

Originally Posted by Savage Bacon

Would that not be private property? Do motor vehicle laws still apply?

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A friend of mine got a DUI while driving a golf cart on a public roadway. A hockey rink is not private property if the public can enter.
What happened makes total sense. His drunken condition caused damage and he could have even hurt someone.
Golf courses let golfers drink on golf carts, some even sell booze out on the course. They don't necessarily like it if you bring your own booze

[Talking moose]

Golf course profits would plummet without beer and coolers being allowed to consume.
Less people would go golfing and all those 7 dollar beer from the cart girl would be missed.
Beer! Hip hip…. Hooray!!!!!

[Spidey]

Many years ago when we lived in DV, there was a young guy who owned a house in Aspenview, an upscale-type neighborhood at the time. He made good money in the oil patch and liked to party hard on his days off. One August evening, around midnight I looked out our upstairs window and there was a rager happening with dozens of people coming and going. He had the bright idea to drag his sled out of the garage and start it up and take it for a rip in the high school football field behind his house. Soon after, the RCMP pull up (a neighbor called in a noise complaint) as two women are squatting to pee on the front lawn and homeowner was driving up in the snowmobile.

Another neighbor in the cul-de-sac was an RCMP Auxillary at the time and he said the homeowner ended up with a DUI and when they ran the ID's of everyone on the front lawn, they picked up another two on outstanding warrants.

[Bushrat]

If it's illegal to drink and drive...how come bars have parking lots?

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

I surprised you are shocked that one of our Canadian laws doesn't make sense.

There was a guy in a wheel chair charged in Edmonton some years ago.

[Cement Bench]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

A friend of mine got a DUI while driving a golf cart on a public roadway. A hockey rink is not private property if the public can enter.
What happened makes total sense. His drunken condition caused damage and he could have even hurt someone.
Golf courses let golfers drink on golf carts, some even sell booze out on the course. They don't necessarily like it if you bring your own booze

the hockey ARENA may be public

but perhaps the ICE SURFACE IS NOT PUBLIC


also on the video it SEEMED the fellow just to the right MAY have distracted the Zamboni operator
at least that is what the DEFENCE counsel may assert

comments not criticizing

[Mavrick]

That’s the problem with todays Zamboni’s, to much horse power. Seen two hockey players on tv racing with them through a Timmie’s drive through, Pro’s setting a bad example. Now every amateur has a few beers and thinks he can handle these machines.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I didn't specify any one religion. Nothing about my comment was inaccurate in any way, read a history book.

Islam is doing it's best right now. Christianity at least had the Reformation which toned down the ideology and promoted a degree of tolerance, Islam has nothing to compare in sight, in fact it's becoming more rigid.