Outfitters

[H380]

I k ow that big game outfitters are restricted to hunting the are where they have their tag allocations . Are bird outfitters the same , did they only have certain areas that they can conduct their hunts ?

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[IL Bar]

I’m not sure but I think they supposed to only be in certain areas that they purchase rights too. I don’t know how many outfitters are allowed for each zone. My personal experience is that every 3rd guy that shows up at my place anymore is some guide working for a different outfitter.

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Yes they own an allocation for a combinations of WMUs where they are only allowed to guide non residents.

[CBintheNorth]

There are a lot of residents that guide residents for waterfowl. I know one of that guides from Peace River all the way down to Calgary, following the birds.
Outfitters do have an allocation area that they have to stay within.
I'm not sure how the American outfitters up here do it?
I know there are some popular ones on YouTube that guide for birds right from Northern Alberta down to Texas.

[A207X2]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

There are a lot of residents that guide residents for waterfowl. I know one of that guides from Peace River all the way down to Calgary, following the birds.
Outfitters do have an allocation area that they have to stay within.
I'm not sure how the American outfitters up here do it?
I know there are some popular ones on YouTube that guide for birds right from Northern Alberta down to Texas.

In the States the outfitters operate a bit differently. It has been my experience that they go based on where they have their blinds/lease permits - but it's not a question of "law". They purchase their lease, then build up their blinds, decoy fields, shooting pits, etc. to make their sites more permanent. You may have a decoy field of several hundred geese over a cornfield, or the same amount of ducks over a lake. They will then advertise locations all over the country, but again, they base it on the location of their leases. The only restrictions on US hunters are the Federal Migratory Bird Stamp ("duck stamp") and then the resident/non-resident hunting laws of each given state.

For example, each year I do a goose hunt in N. Nebraska, and then another one in NW. Missouri. The Nebraska outfitter has sites all over the midwest in S. Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana. We choose the Nebraska location because we then go over to Missouri and shoot with another outfitter after we finish that hunt (saves on driving time from Florida by combining the two trips). Which site I choose with the first outfitter is entirely up to me. It's still the same outfitter, he just has a crew that will support us down in one of the other states.

HTH

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

There are a lot of residents that guide residents for waterfowl. I know one of that guides from Peace River all the way down to Calgary, following the birds.
Outfitters do have an allocation area that they have to stay within.
I'm not sure how the American outfitters up here do it?
I know there are some popular ones on YouTube that guide for birds right from Northern Alberta down to Texas.

They are operating in a grey area. Like Canadian Premier Hunts, ****ing off residents and landowners everywhere he goes.

[drake]

Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper

They are operating in a grey area. Like Canadian Premier Hunts, ****ing off residents and landowners everywhere he goes.

Not for long based on what I’ve heard…..😉

[coyotecaller]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

There are a lot of residents that guide residents for waterfowl. I know one of that guides from Peace River all the way down to Calgary, following the birds.
Outfitters do have an allocation area that they have to stay within.
I'm not sure how the American outfitters up here do it?
I know there are some popular ones on YouTube that guide for birds right from Northern Alberta down to Texas.

Guides can work where and when they want. Outfitters have to purchase allocations for each wmu they hunt in. If they own allocations from peace river to milk river, they can hunt in them. Guides aren’t handcuffed to specific wmu’s.

I know guides that work for outfits in southern Alberta and northern and west central Saskatchewan. From September well into the spring goose season, when the seasons are open.

I wish the rules were that to own allocations, you had to be resident of that country/province. The cabelas boys own two outfits in northwest Saskatchewan and they hunt a huge area for birds.

[trapperdodge]

Outfitting is grossly over rated in terms of economic benefit. The US outfitters get paid in cash and the money never attracts tax in Canada. Sure they buy some gas and purchase a few meals in the local restaurant but that's about it. They exploit the local resource and leave little to nothing in return.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by trapperdodge

Outfitting is grossly over rated in terms of economic benefit. The US outfitters get paid in cash and the money never attracts tax in Canada. Sure they buy some gas and purchase a few meals in the local restaurant but that's about it. They exploit the local resource and leave little to nothing in return.

Grossly overrated for sure

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by A207X2

In the States the outfitters operate a bit differently. It has been my experience that they go based on where they have their blinds/lease permits - but it's not a question of "law". They purchase their lease, then build up their blinds, decoy fields, shooting pits, etc. to make their sites more permanent. You may have a decoy field of several hundred geese over a cornfield, or the same amount of ducks over a lake. They will then advertise locations all over the country, but again, they base it on the location of their leases. The only restrictions on US hunters are the Federal Migratory Bird Stamp ("duck stamp") and then the resident/non-resident hunting laws of each given state.

For example, each year I do a goose hunt in N. Nebraska, and then another one in NW. Missouri. The Nebraska outfitter has sites all over the midwest in S. Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana. We choose the Nebraska location because we then go over to Missouri and shoot with another outfitter after we finish that hunt (saves on driving time from Florida by combining the two trips). Which site I choose with the first outfitter is entirely up to me. It's still the same outfitter, he just has a crew that will support us down in one of the other states.

HTH

You might want to add that the outfitter also needs to have an outfitting license in each state they outfit in as well as guides licensed in that state as well. It’s a lot more regulated than what you make it sound.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by coyotecaller

Guides can work where and when they want. Outfitters have to purchase allocations for each wmu they hunt in. If they own allocations from peace river to milk river, they can hunt in them. Guides aren’t handcuffed to specific wmu’s.

The guides I am talking about that guide residents are not actual guides. They are just residents taking out other residents for a fee. They are certainly not outfitters either.
Just search 'Goose' on kijiji in the spring and you'll see what I mean.
It's become very common and there are several doing it.

Kind of like how our infamous black dodge dually man is guiding black bear hunters.

[Drake slayer]

Only supposed to be 4 outfitters per Wmu

[Albertadiver]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Kind of like how our infamous black dodge dually man is guiding black bear hunters.

Is C.G. still at it? One would think he'd have run out of suckers by now....

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Albertadiver

Is C.G. still at it? One would think he'd have run out of suckers by now....

He had a booth at the sportsman show this year or last...can't remember which.

[Albertadiver]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

He had a booth at the sportsman show this year or last...can't remember which.

I remember the year he felt he needed bodyguards Had two dummies hanging out with him at the booth. I was there for that one.... He also had some crappy cameras set up in his booth to video anyone standing in front of the table.

[trigger7mm]

Originally Posted by trapperdodge

Outfitting is grossly over rated in terms of economic benefit. The US outfitters get paid in cash and the money never attracts tax in Canada. Sure they buy some gas and purchase a few meals in the local restaurant but that's about it. They exploit the local resource and leave little to nothing in return.

You are absolutely correct! They use our resources for their financial gain, and eliminate opportunities for local people who may only have a few days out of the year to hunt for themselves. This is especially true with waterfowl outfitters.They can make more money of a good quarter section of land in a few days than the farmer can in the whole year.

[A207X2]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

You might want to add that the outfitter also needs to have an outfitting license in each state they outfit in as well as guides licensed in that state as well. It’s a lot more regulated than what you make it sound.

Yes, you are correct. That's basically table stakes to offer any guide services.

[patcha]

Does anybody on here know where to find out which outfitter owns waterfowl allocations in a specific zone.

[trapperdodge]

Was talking to a buddy in eastern SK who told me a fight has developed between landowners and outfitters. The landowners claim the Province won't do anything so they are taking things into their own hands.

Apparently the outfitters are spreading around some cash. That and the 'jack' outfitters are causing problems. Many outfitters are from the US.

Not sure where any of this will go but if any government in the country will protect it's resident hunters and keep landowners happy I think it might be SK.