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Old 04-28-2024, 01:51 PM
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Just getting into bow hunting and looking at hunting mostly public land where setting up a stand won't really be an option. Any opinions on a saddle hunting setup/what a guy needs to get started?
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Old 04-28-2024, 02:00 PM
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I don’t saddle hunt yet, so I can’t contribute to the discussion other than inviting you to use the forum search function.

There are quite a few threads on the subject. Good place to start!
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Old 04-28-2024, 02:21 PM
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Here’s the thing, we don’t have open oak hardwooods like those videos you’re watching. We have a low (usually 20 ft or under) canopy and a thick understory in most forested areas. Makes it very difficult to setup high enough to be out of sight, and hunt effectively, without cutting shootings lanes. Climbers never really caught on here for the same reason.

There are some situations where it could be a useful option. They are just much more rare than you think, everything looks different from up a tree. I bought a light weight hang on and climbing sticks with the same idea and learned the hard way, most animals I saw I couldn’t shoot due to obstructions.

$600-1000 to get a saddle set up. If you’ve never taken an animal with a bow, that money would be better spent taking days off work, gas in your tank, and on your binos, to go scout and learn the spots you want to hunt. Once you can tell exactly where the animals are going, and when, and why, THEN you can decide how best to ambush them.

For perspective I bow hunt 30-60 days a year, so I’m not talking out of my hindquarters
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Old 04-28-2024, 09:21 PM
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I'm not sure where to start. I guess to start, I use a saddle-hunting setup from Cruzr. I liked that they were easy to deal with, a small company and there weren't any hidden charges when shipping up here. I would go with them again, but don't have any first hand experience with anything else.

Just like yourself, I stick to hunting public land. Which when "mobile hunting" does add some challenges. I found that when hunting in late October/November it becomes a lot of gear to haul in. There may not be very good access, as there are fewer roads, two tracks etc. it's on you to haul it up and over the hills and through the bush. Hopefully all without breaking a sweat. You will have to set up in the dark if it's a morning sit or takedown in the dark if it's an evening sit.

That being said I took a beautiful mature whitetail buck this November in mine and had the biggest buck I had ever seen walk right under me the season before in my first sit in a saddle!

I love having mine as a tool, it is crazy how different being elevated changes things when hunting with a bow. I was hunting the thickest forest I had ever set up in when I shot my buck this year, he blew through my lone shooting lane and finally stopped when he was 10 yards away. If I was on the ground I would have had no shot. But from where I was, I was hidden and luckily had a gap between the tops of two spruce trees to shoot through, when I picked up my arrow and looked back at my platform, could not believe just how lucky I was to have that opening.

3blade made some good points. All that YouTube stuff you might be watching, most of it isn't in Alberta. You're going to have to be selective when it comes to trees, and sometimes you'll get up there and the lane you wanted just isn't there and now the sun is coming up or the tree you want to set up in just isn't close enough for a easy shot. But I do think if you can't get high up it's better to be able to use the tree as cover. You're also going to have to wear a heck lot more clothing. In an ideal world, you have scouted your tail off in the past and you know where you want to set up, you have visited those sites with your stand or saddle and set up, checked shooting lanes, and ranged the expected shots, so that when you have the day off, the wind is right, you know exactly how to get there and which tree you're climbing into. I think when doing this a saddle can work great, a light mobile tree stand might even allow you to set up in a few more coniferous trees.

A rough draft of my day in a saddle might look like this.
Jump out of the truck and pack my backpack with food, fluids, insulated hunting clothing, hunting gear, saddle, platform, ropes, sticks, and straps. Wear base layers and bino harness and maybe have bow in hand for the hike-in. Get to stand, unpack clothing, put on warm mitts and insulative layers, put on saddle harness, attach sticks and platform to harness, climb the tree while attaching climbing sticks, get to the last stick, and set up the platform. Climb on the platform and use your lineman rope as your safety while you set up your tether. Now place hooks for the backpack and bow. Pull up your backpack and bow, hang them up and you're ready! this is all done with a headlamp on. Now do that in reverse at the end of the night. It takes a bit of practice to do it smoothly and quietly, I could still get significantly better.

It's easier for an evening sit, and obviously the shorter the sit the less gear you need.

It sounds like you're just getting into bow hunting, but maybe have been rifle hunting for a while? I got into bow hunting for a few reasons. One was for the challenge and to become a better hunter. The other was because I was shooting nice deer in bow range most years and I wanted to prove I could get it done with archery equipment. That being said I was sitting in my saddle on Nov 2 this year listening to two bucks fight it out before one eventually came down the ridge at 70 yards, I could do nothing but grunt, he was a nice buck but had a dejected demeanor. When the victor came down the ridge his body language was pure testosterone. But neither got any closer than 70 yards and I had to watch them walk away, I spent the rest of the day there without seeing more than a couple does. That is what I would call an awesome day of bow hunting, even though I never got to draw my bow and spent most of those hours freezing my tail off...

If you have any other questions let me know. If you could get your hands on some cheap used hang on stands, that might be the way to start. If you're all in no matter what, then I would consider picking up a saddle or Lone Wolf tree stand and get out there now so by October you know where you want to be.

Happy Hunting.
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Old 04-29-2024, 12:15 PM
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I’ve been mighty interested in tree saddles. There’s a couple good elk spots that I’ve been in and for early season I’m sure they would work great.

They’d suck in the cold, probably to the point that they would be deadly to the user. JRB saddle hunting-take a look at his videos on YouTube. He’s got a fb group too.
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Old 04-29-2024, 09:39 PM
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Thanks for the input, definitely some things to think about before the season starts. I have been rifle hunting for a few years now I just really want to extend my season a little closer to home. I have been shooting my bow now for a few years and I find it more enjoyable than shooting the rifle so I am excited to get started on hunting with it!
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Old 04-30-2024, 12:14 AM
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If your looking for mobile hunting set ups there not much better than lone wolf set ups that the direction I would be looking into.
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Old 04-30-2024, 10:27 AM
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If your looking for mobile hunting set ups there not much better than lone wolf set ups that the direction I would be looking into.
I have two of those (the wide sit-and-climb and the assault climber) and completely agree - they are relatively light and sturdy. But they aren't made by Lone Wolf anymore; there are now three spinoffs (Novix Outdoors, XOP and Lone Wolf Custom Gear). Lone Wolf Custom Gear is the only one that currently has a climber - but it costs $1395 USD (ouch!)

One reason I was looking into saddle hunting is that I need to wear a harness anyhow - but getting up the tree is the challenge. So, if you're carrying sticks (or if you're using SRT methods, rope and tackle) the weight can start to get into the range of what a lightweight climber weighs.

Of course, now there are ultralight sticks, and lots of innovation around rope material (Amsteel) as well as technique (one-sticking), depending on your confidence and athletic ability.

Winter hunting apparel is also a factor to consider, because it affects mobility, plus, you don't want to be wearing your full gear while grunting a sweating your way up the tree - now you need a plan to safely suit up while suspended. So that will take some planning and finesse.

Like was mentioned before, we don't have a lot of "telephone pole" style trees here in Alberta, and with our poplars, you really need to be on your guard with respect to rot. I've climbed trees where I didn't even realize that I was tethered to a rotten spot. Historically, I just used to climb spruce trees, and set up in them, but they aren't always located where the deer are.

So many options out there now for harnesses, it's neat to see what is coming out.
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Old 04-30-2024, 10:45 AM
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I love my saddle setup - have harvested whitetails from it 2 of the last 3 years - both within 20yds. Shooting lanes are definitely a consideration in AB forests but I've always been able to find a suitable tree. I find you have a lot more shot angle opportunities from a saddle than from a fixed stand - nearly 360 degrees.

I still have set stands up out in the woods - but the wind / conditions aren't always good for those so having a mobile setup like a saddle or a climber is a nice tool to have.

I have the Hawk setup - came as a full kit except the sticks.

Bryan.
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Old 04-30-2024, 12:45 PM
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Lone wolf customs are expensive but the stand and sticks are 14 pounds and made for one day sits and rip downs easy to keep moving. You don’t leave those set ups in a tree over night on public land with the price they are. They are made for running and gunning and virgin sits. Nothing on the market remotely close to these set ups. Just my opinion.
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Old 04-30-2024, 09:03 PM
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If you're in the Calgary area and want to try getting up in a saddle sometime just let me know. I think it's always better to get some hands on experience before making a big purchase.
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Old 05-01-2024, 12:17 PM
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If you're in the Calgary area and want to try getting up in a saddle sometime just let me know. I think it's always better to get some hands on experience before making a big purchase.
I might take you up on that offer
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Old 05-01-2024, 02:33 PM
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I made my own saddle and self climber system. Whole thing is about 5lbs and fits in a backpack easily. Hunted out of it a couple times but I much prefer being on the ground and moving around.
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I might take you up on that offer
Sounds good. Just send a dm at some point. Definitely after this snow goes away though.
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