22 Creedmoor

[markg]

Are any of you shooting a 22 Creedmoor? I am interested in your thoughts. What are your likes and dislikes with the cartridge.
I am interested in what type of brass your using, and powder and bullet
combinations.

I am also interested in the twist rate of your barrel and the weight of bullets you shoot.

[Ackleyman]

A guy I shoot with now and then bought a Fierce Rival chambered in 22 creeed
I believe Peterson and Alpha brass were not available so he ran the 6mm thru FL die and loaded. He has a load now of 41.8 H4831 SC . Probably some better powders but he used what he could get. His is an 8 twist and he has been killing lots of coyotes around feed lot with 75 gr ELDM...not really a hunting bullet but hit a dog in the melon with one and there done. He really likes the rifle and caliber.

[markg]

Found this little bit of info from Petersen about the 22 Creed. Hope you guys find it helpful.

As of now the following companies make brass

Alpha Munitions
Petersen
ADG
Hornady

[waldedw]

Interesting cartridge but what would be the advantage over a 22-250 with a 1 in 8 or 7" twist, velocities seem to be really close for both

[obsessed1]

22-250 is handycapped by a short neck when holding those super long bullets. The creed was designed for those long heavys from the get go. Thats about it practically speaking.

[markg]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

22-250 is handycapped by a short neck when holding those super long bullets. The creed was designed for those long heavys from the get go. Thats about it practically speaking.

Pretty much. The only place it has the advantage over the 22-250 is the heavy bullets over the 70gr mark.I do wonder if barrel life would be better due to the steeper shoulder as well, but I havent found any data on that yet.

Being a huge 6.5MM fanboy I was surprised to see that at ranges 600m and closer it has less drop and wind than the 6.5x47 and 6.5 Creed. Didnt see any data on the PRC or Sweede but my guess is those outperform the .22

I will admit I am getting a .22 Creed Barrel chambered for my the new rifle I ordered. (yes i took the proceeds from the sale of my 6.5 PRC for this project).

[3blade]

Originally Posted by markg

Pretty much. The only place it has the advantage over the 22-250 is the heavy bullets over the 70gr mark.I do wonder if barrel life would be better due to the steeper shoulder as well, but I havent found any data on that yet.

Being a huge 6.5MM fanboy I was surprised to see that at ranges 600m and closer it has less drop and wind than the 6.5x47 and 6.5 Creed. Didnt see any data on the PRC or Sweede but my guess is those outperform the .22

I will admit I am getting a .22 Creed Barrel chambered for my the new rifle I ordered. (yes i took the proceeds from the sale of my 6.5 PRC for this project).

Closer comparison would be the swift, but creed has more capacity there as well and brass life is supposedly better with the creed. I don’t think shoulder angle is gonna help barrel life much when burning extra powder, probably a wash. I looked into one when sask legalized the 22 for big game, never got around to it.

Cool project though, what’s the end use?

[markg]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Closer comparison would be the swift, but creed has more capacity there as well and brass life is supposedly better with the creed. I don’t think shoulder angle is gonna help barrel life much when burning extra powder, probably a wash. I looked into one when sask legalized the 22 for big game, never got around to it.

Cool project though, what’s the end use?

Gophers targets maybe some Yotes

[waldedw]

Originally Posted by markg

Gophers targets maybe some Yotes

Let us know when you get it tuned in, I'm cruising for something to replace my 223 which is getting mundane it certainly looks interesting

[FishOutOfWater]

Originally Posted by waldedw

Let us know when you get it tuned in, I'm cruising for something to replace my 223 which is getting mundane it certainly looks interesting

I had the same thoughts, 22 CM and 22 Nosler seem like the way to go for long range varmints.

[ranchhand]

The 22 Creedmoor cartridge feeds better from the mag then the tapered 22-250 Rem case? I'm just guessing.

[ranchhand]

The 22 Creedmoor "standard" reamer that Manson makes has .080" freebore.
That would be the freebore for the 69gr to 80gr projectiles.

I'm thinking of a shorter freebore and slower twist to go old school. Basically a Swift then. Send 50gr to 60gr bullets fast.

[markg]

The 22 Creed is now SAAMI approved. Should see factory ammo soon.

https://youtu.be/kOHJQ_bpSwg

[markg]

So I was curious how some cartridges matched up. I was shocked at the results. Ran the Data on the applied ballistics app.

6.5 Creed with a 140gr ELDM @2750 = 9.5 Mil / 1000m

7mm SAW with 162gr ELDM @ 2900 = 8.1 Mil / 1000m

22 Creed 75gr ELDM @ 3380 = 6.8 Mil / 1000m

I found this really surprising.

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by markg

So I was curious how some cartridges matched up. I was shocked at the results. Ran the Data on the applied ballistics app.

6.5 Creed with a 140gr ELDM @2750 = 9.5 Mil / 1000m

7mm SAW with 162gr ELDM @ 2900 = 8.1 Mil / 1000m

22 Creed 75gr ELDM @ 3380 = 6.8 Mil / 1000m

I found this really surprising.

I just thought I would just include this for SAG

6mm 110gr A tip 3300fps = 5.7mils @1000 m
6mm 110gr. A Tip 3000fps = 7.2 mills

I would be much more concerned about wind drift personally.

[markg]

That is impressive! I'm sure the wind call on that is pretty shooter friendly too!

[markg]

I went back and looked at the numbers again. Looks like it was the worst for wind drift. Makes sense as it has the lowest BC. Velocity is great but your right on your comment on wind. Gravity is constant so for all practical purposes the wind variable is the most important one in that situation.

[markg]

Originally Posted by waldedw

Let us know when you get it tuned in, I'm cruising for something to replace my 223 which is getting mundane it certainly looks interesting

I've put 100 rounds down the pipe. I dont think its quite broken in yet as I havent seen a change in velocity. Did 50 rounds 75gr ELDM and 50 rounds 69 SMK's

It didnt like the smks and they didnt group less than an inch. It really liked the 75gr ELDM's and I had a few 1/2 moa 5 shot groups. Velocity was a bit low but Its a lighter load for break in (38.0gr H4350 and got just under 3200 fps) . So far I see great potential in it. I was also able to shoot 2MOA targets at 500m consistenly so thats good news considering the barrel needs more break in. From what I have seen on line I should expect between 3350 and 3400 fps with the 75gr.

[brewster29]

Originally Posted by waldedw

Interesting cartridge but what would be the advantage over a 22-250 with a 1 in 8 or 7" twist, velocities seem to be really close for both

I have always disliked the body taper of the 22-250. It hinders single round feeding and contributes to case stretch. The case has been around since 1915. It is much improved by Mr. Ackley’s version. The Creedmoor has modern case design accuracy,will at least equal the 22-250 velocities, and handle long heavy bullets.

[waldedw]

Originally Posted by markg

I've put 100 rounds down the pipe. I dont think its quite broken in yet as I havent seen a change in velocity. Did 50 rounds 75gr ELDM and 50 rounds 69 SMK's

It didnt like the smks and they didnt group less than an inch. It really liked the 75gr ELDM's and I had a few 1/2 moa 5 shot groups. Velocity was a bit low but Its a lighter load for break in (38.0gr H4350 and got just under 3200 fps) . So far I see great potential in it. I was also able to shoot 2MOA targets at 500m consistenly so thats good news considering the barrel needs more break in. From what I have seen on line I should expect between 3350 and 3400 fps with the 75gr.

Thanks Mark, seems you may have found a winner, early results look good, now my interest is really peaked keep us posted how things go on the next range session

[attk11]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Closer comparison would be the swift, but creed has more capacity there as well and brass life is supposedly better with the creed. I don’t think shoulder angle is gonna help barrel life much when burning extra powder, probably a wash. I looked into one when sask legalized the 22 for big game, never got around to it.

Cool project though, what’s the end use?

This guy is taking bucks with them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDI9W_5rKg

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by obsessed1

22-250 is handycapped by a short neck when holding those super long bullets. The creed was designed for those long heavys from the get go. Thats about it practically speaking.

This sounds like a very interesting little cartridge.

I really don't think that the longer neck is that much of an advantage. If that was the case, the Swift would have kept the 22/250 at bay.
The swift has a longer neck than the Creedmoor by a fair bit as well.

When the 300 magnum came out, it was perceived that the short neck would be its death because of inaccuracy issue, but it has been used to win long range matches like Wimbledon and is extremely popular for hunting to this day.

However, since good tech support , excellent brass , fantastic fast twist barrels, and good powder are available as well as load data, the 22 Creedmoor will likely be here to stay.

Cat

[AB2506]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

This sounds like a very interesting little cartridge.

I really don't think that the longer neck is that much of an advantage. If that was the case, the Swift would have kept the 22/250 at bay.
The swift has a longer neck than the Creedmoor by a fair bit as well.

When the 300 magnum came out, it was perceived that the short neck would be its death because of inaccuracy issue, but it has been used to win long range matches like Wimbledon and is extremely popular for hunting to this day.

However, since good tech support , excellent brass , fantastic fast twist barrels, and good powder are available as well as load data, the 22 Creedmoor will likely be here to stay.

Cat

The 22 Creedmoor pretty much equals or slightly exceeds the great 22-250. It has all the advantages of the 22-250AI, reduced case stretch being the most noted advantage of the AI over the regular 22-250. The Creedmoor case is designed with a sharp shoulder and neglible case taper.

If I didn't have a great 22-250, I'd buy the Creedmoor.

[tikka250]

I have chatted with a friend who shoots both the 22-250 ai and the 22 creed with fast twist barrels and from reports they both are insane accurate at distance and will still stabilize the 55gr pills as well. He's running 6.5 creed brass through a bushing die to form brass and far as I know hasn't had issues.
I had been planning on building an AI but from what I'm seeing the 22creed may happen instead when the time comes to make that decision.

[markg]

You dont have to resize brass. Alpha Munitions makes 22 Creed brass. I use Whidden Dies.

https://alphamunitions.com/product-category/brass/

Makes chooseing the Cartridge alot easier.

[LJalberta]

22CM with the 88 ELDs would be a slick unit. I would build one for big game if it were allowed in Alberta.

[Outcast]

Originally Posted by LJalberta

22CM with the 88 ELDs would be a slick unit. I would build one for big game if it were allowed in Alberta.

X2

[markg]

Originally Posted by LJalberta

22CM with the 88 ELDs would be a slick unit. I would build one for big game if it were allowed in Alberta.

I think they would work well on Antelope. Probably work well on a White Tail Doe too.

I hope to test them on Coyotes before the winter is done.

[fps plus]

Originally Posted by markg

I think they would work well on Antelope. Probably work well on a White Tail Doe too.

I hope to test them on Coyotes before the winter is done.

22 Creedmore probably would work but not legal in for big game in Alberta

[brewster29]

Originally Posted by markg

You dont have to resize brass. Alpha Munitions makes 22 Creed brass. I use Whidden Dies.

https://alphamunitions.com/product-category/brass/

Makes chooseing the Cartridge alot easier.

I have also seen Peterson 22 Creedmoor brass available in both large and small primer pockets.