ruffle some feathers... our great justice system at it again

[fishtank]

Teen sentenced to three years for role in Mac's shootings, Youth will finish serving sentence next month .

...speechless

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...cing-1.4928643

[KegRiver]

What's the goal here? Is it to extract the appropriate amount of flesh or to correct?

If we truly seek to rehabilitate, then three years in this case might be the appropriate sentance.

If it's a pound of flesh we want, then let's reinstate the death penalty. Cause that would be the more appropriate sentance.

Could you send a 14 year old kid to the elecric chair?

[Ken07AOVette]

After living 5 decades worried sick about ever being imprisoned wrongfully or for punching someone in the chicklets, I apparently was worried for no reason. My fear now is the criminals know they will get away with everything from theft to assault to home break in to murder, and we the law abiding few are unable to protect ourselves for fear of financial loss to lawyers.

Down down down we go.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

What's the goal here? Is it to extract the appropriate amount of flesh or to correct?

If we truly seek to rehabilitate, then three years in this case might be the appropriate sentance.

If it's a pound of flesh we want, then let's reinstate the death penalty. Cause that would be the more appropriate sentance.

Could you send a 14 year old kid to the elecric chair?

If there was absolute proof of the 14 year old doing the crime. in a heartbeat.

Click zap next.

[fishtank]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

What's the goal here? Is it to extract the appropriate amount of flesh or to correct?

If we truly seek to rehabilitate, then three years in this case might be the appropriate sentance.

If it's a pound of flesh we want, then let's reinstate the death penalty. Cause that would be the more appropriate sentance.

Could you send a 14 year old kid to the elecric chair?

this is the video of what the other victims went thru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjUzkVrEV1o

[sdvc]

How old was Kadhr when he murdered his first victim/ combatant?

Yes in a Heartbeat!!!!

[elkhunter11]

Based on his past actions, does anyone believe that there is even a reasonable chance that he won't reoffend after three years?

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Based on his past actions, does anyone believe that there is even a reasonable chance that he won't reoffend after three years?

Millions of voters out East, and a handful in this forum are certain he will be reformed.

But they weren't affected, so who cares?

Sickening.

[liar]

penal systems usually are based on one of three mandates , rehabilitate , punish , or public safety or a combination of two or three of these . i have never taken the time to read and figure out what our system is based on because , well , it fails on all of these .
i dont like to to criticizes things unless i have a better solution but in this case i am not sure what we can do . i believe that we need , as a country , to pick one of these and then own it . this wishy washy road we are on will , in my opinion , end in disaster .

[nube]

I think I went to this call years ago if this was Edmonton and Millwoods area? Unless this was the second Mac's shooting in the last 5 years... Guy had a shotgun hole through his chest. Something I will remember forever!
I don't care how screwed up you are I just don't understand blowing a hole in someone for any amount of money let alone a few hundred bucks. These types of things sure cause a lot of grief for a wide variety of people. Still can remember what 6 litres of blood look like on floor.....

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

What's the goal here? Is it to extract the appropriate amount of flesh or to correct?

If we truly seek to rehabilitate, then three years in this case might be the appropriate sentance.

If it's a pound of flesh we want, then let's reinstate the death penalty. Cause that would be the more appropriate sentance.

Could you send a 14 year old kid to the elecric chair?

Where does it say he has been rehabilitated? Has there been any rehabilitation efforts even applied to him. I didn't see mention of parole conditions or treatment placed upon him. Far as I can see they are letting him out unfettered to go back to his criminal and gang 'family'. If this is the case it is a travesty.

Some 14 year olds are no further advanced than 10 year olds and some 14 year olds are more advanced and worldly than 20 year olds. Are you telling us he didn't know what he was doing was wrong, I knew when I was 13, long before that actually and pretty sure you did too and so did he. He has years of experience of criminal acts, gang and drug lifestyle. He knows the system inside and out and has successfully circumvented it. He is not the innocent snowflake the judge appears to believe he is. Either way an example needs to be set that actions such as his are not to be tolerated, instead we have reinforced to him and thousands of other young offenders that the law is a joke.

[Twisted Canuck]

If he did the smudging ceremony and spent the time in a healing lodge, he's probably good to go, True Canadian rehabilitation. Bonus points if he went in the sweat lodge.

It's right up there with the budget balancing itself.

[Albertacoyotecaller]

I will pay the carbon tax on the electric chair.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Where does it say he has been rehabilitated? Has there been any rehabilitation efforts even applied to him. I didn't see mention of parole conditions or treatment placed upon him. Far as I can see they are letting him out unfettered to go back to his criminal and gang 'family'. If this is the case it is a travesty.

Some 14 year olds are no further advanced than 10 year olds and some 14 year olds are more advanced and worldly than 20 year olds. Are you telling us he didn't know what he was doing was wrong, I knew when I was 13, long before that actually and pretty sure you did too and so did he. He has years of experience of criminal acts, gang and drug lifestyle. He knows the system inside and out and has successfully circumvented it. He is not the innocent snowflake the judge appears to believe he is. Either way an example needs to be set that actions such as his are not to be tolerated, instead we have reinforced to him and thousands of other young offenders that the law is a joke.

I did not say he had been rehabilitated nore that there had been any rehabilitation efforts.

I simply asked a question.

Let me make this clear. I am not suggesting either rehabilitation or capital punishment. I'm simply asking people to think before jumping on any bandwagon.

I have to admit I am woefully uninformed about this case, and I'm okay with that.

But I do believe in second chances. I do believe that only the worst are unlikley to change.
And I know our system does little to rehabilitate or even encourage change.
In fact it appears to me that every effort is made to do lip service to rehabilitation while doing everything possible encourage recidivism.


I would also say that I believe that in truth there are a good many people walking the streets that deserve to die for their crimes. Some are even in politics.

Is robbing one person (who might be a undiscovered criminal themselves) of their life any worse then robbing a whole country of the opportunity to elect an honest man? And replacing that honest man with a playboy millionaire wanna be teacher?

The problem society has is not the lack of laws or law enforcement. It's the lack of honesty and common sense within our judicial system.

[Talking moose]

That kid was doomed from the get go.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

That kid was doomed from the get go.

No doubt, most kids like that are. I feel sorry for him but it doesn't change the fact that he is a danger to society and should be taken out of it.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I did not say he had been rehabilitated nore that there had been any rehabilitation efforts.

I simply asked a question.

Let me make this clear. I am not suggesting either rehabilitation or capital punishment. I'm simply asking people to think before jumping on any bandwagon.

I have to admit I am woefully uninformed about this case, and I'm okay with that.

But I do believe in second chances. I do believe that only the worst are unlikley to change.
And I know our system does little to rehabilitate or even encourage change.
In fact it appears to me that every effort is made to do lip service to rehabilitation while doing everything possible encourage recidivism.


I would also say that I believe that in truth there are a good many people walking the streets that deserve to die for their crimes. Some are even in politics.

Is robbing one person (who might be a undiscovered criminal themselves) of their life any worse then robbing a whole country of the opportunity to elect an honest man? And replacing that honest man with a playboy millionaire wanna be teacher?

The problem society has is not the lack of laws or law enforcement. It's the lack of honesty and common sense within our judicial system.

Agreed, lots of politicians are nothing more than scum, they being the ones who have set in place a judicial revolving door system that allows and encourages predators to continually prey on society and a legal system designed by those same lawmaker politicians to launder endless amounts of taxpayer money into the industrial legal complex from both ends. Our justice system is a scam and by its very nature victimizes society as a whole.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

What's the goal here? Is it to extract the appropriate amount of flesh or to correct?

If we truly seek to rehabilitate, then three years in this case might be the appropriate sentance.

If it's a pound of flesh we want, then let's reinstate the death penalty. Cause that would be the more appropriate sentance.

Could you send a 14 year old kid to the elecric chair?

Yup, I like to have the families decide his/her faith.....

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Yup, I like to have the families decide his/her faith.....

That might be better then letting our judicial system decide or worse yet, the AO court of appeals.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

That might be better then letting our judicial system decide or worse yet, the AO court of appeals.

I do agree with the Court over the family, as for the earlier reply sorry Keg, I can't imagine a time that I have ever disagreed with you, but a stone cold killer must pay the ultimate price for the ultimate crime.

If you take an innocent life while in process of a crime you should be determining your own fate.

Prison turns bad into real bad. I do not see anyone coming back reformed, especially after death is involved.

An actual Court with a non-sympathetic non Liberal Judge should try the case based on letter of the law and hand out appropriate sentencing based on same.

The sentence must fit the crime.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I do agree with the Court over the family, as for the earlier reply sorry Keg, I can't imagine a time that I have ever disagreed with you, but a stone cold killer must pay the ultimate price for the ultimate crime.

If you take an innocent life while in process of a crime you should be determining your own fate.

Prison turns bad into real bad. I do not see anyone coming back reformed, especially after death is involved.

An actual Court with a non-sympathetic non Liberal Judge should try the case based on letter of the law and hand out appropriate sentencing based on same.

The sentence must fit the crime.

We are in agreement then!

I can't comment on this case. I know nothing about it. My comment wasn't about cases where there is no doubt that the accused clearly committed murder.

It was about jumping on the band wagon. Too many innocent people have paid for crimes they did not commit because of that band wagon.

I actually agree with capital punishment for some cases. Let's face it, it serves no purpose to put a person in jail for life.
Prison is not life, it's exisiting.

If there is no hope for rehabilitation, or the risk to the public is too high, then the electric chair or the gallows makes a lot more sense to me then spending upwards of a hundred thousand a year to keep a person caged.

[elkhunter11]

We can't save every criminal, the priority has to be protecting the public from the ones we can't save, even if that means capital punishment.

[sjr]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Millions of voters out East, and a handful in this forum are certain he will be reformed.

But they weren't affected, so who cares?

Sickening.

^^^^^^^^ How so very true