Israel hits Iran.

[orvisman]

Israel has hit back at Iran. Thoughts? Comments?

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by orvisman

Israel has hit back at Iran. Thoughts? Comments?

How bout something more than an empty post….

[Drewski Canuck]

It cannot be hard enough. Iran will give all its people their promised Martyr Virgins, like it or not.

It is so easy for restraint to be understood as weakness with some people. All that they understand is getting hit hard enough to make it clear the next blow will be worse.

That is called "deterrence".

Drewski

[Sundancefisher]

Seems to be extra effort to not impact oil prices. Strike occurred after oil markets closed for the weekend.

News on Iran says Iran is minimizing the attacks.

Pundits saying strikes make it through many defences.

Some say Israel took their time due to weather.

Others to lull Iran into thinking it wasn’t happening.

Videos of explosions.

Curious what was hit.

[Sundancefisher]

Iran posting to media that limit damage occurred. Al Jazeera stating the same. US and Israel warning against retaliation.

I’d say it’s over.

[orvisman]

Originally Posted by dick284

how bout something more than an empty post….

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[Grizzly Adams1]

I’d say it’s over.

In the Middle East, it's never over.

[Drewski Canuck]

Oh no. Its far from over.

The current response is all that the Biden Administration will tolerate before the Election. The THAAD Missile Defense System has been shipped to Israel because the US knows that this matter is far from over. The Israeli missile defence system is heavily depleted and everyone knows this.

In the future Israel will finish off what is left of HAMAS in Gaza and will go after Lebanon and Syria as these are the closest geographic threats to Israel.

But Iran is the cause of all these threats. After the US Election the true response will follow regardless of who is President from Israel.

A big Oil Price Shock BEFORE THE ELECTION is all it would take for Trump to score points with swing voters who suddenly see the price at the pump sky rocket because of the weak support of Israel by the Biden Administration.

That is exactly what the Republicans will say if the price of oil goes up suddenly on Monday. People vote with their wallet. The undecided US Voters need very little to remind them to vote Republican. All other election issues have not swayed the undecided US Voters.

A future of high prices at the gas pump serves the Democrats "Green Agenda" as long as it happens AFTER the Election.

If the price at the pump goes up BEFORE the Election, it will make the undecided voters vote Republican as only the Republicans will deal with Iran to stop the terror Iran sows in the middle east.

Iran wants to deal with the Democrats, not the Republicans. That is why they are holding back on a response and that is why Iran is claiming nothing was damaged in Iran by the Israeli attack.

Under Trump, it will be a no restrictions response from Israel on Iran to stop Iran's Nuclear program. That is what Israel wants, and is what is in the best interests of World Peace.

If the price of oil does not go up on Monday, and the Republicans do not win the US Election, the future is a mad man in Iran with a finger on the launch button for a nuclear attack on Israel with so many Iranian missiles that no missile defence system can stop all the missiles, and some of the last wave of missiles will carry nukes against Tel Aviv.

Consequences mean nothing for the Supreme Leader of the Shiites in Iran.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is a 12th Iman member and he believes he is taking his followers to Heaven by sending his Nukes to wipe out Israel.

So tell me, how do you think this is over?



Drewski

[trapperdodge]

If Israel hits Iran's nukes or oil facilities it will be seen as interfering with the US election. There's 10 days to go and after that all bets are off.

At some point Iran's nukes will have to be addressed.

[sns2]

I agree with Drewski. Completely.

[The Cook]

To quote Joni Mitchell " Pave paradise. put up a parking lot ".

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Oh no. Its far from over.

The current response is all that the Biden Administration will tolerate before the Election. The THAAD Missile Defense System has been shipped to Israel because the US knows that this matter is far from over. The Israeli missile defence system is heavily depleted and everyone knows this.

In the future Israel will finish off what is left of HAMAS in Gaza and will go after Lebanon and Syria as these are the closest geographic threats to Israel.

But Iran is the cause of all these threats. After the US Election the true response will follow regardless of who is President from Israel.

A big Oil Price Shock BEFORE THE ELECTION is all it would take for Trump to score points with swing voters who suddenly see the price at the pump sky rocket because of the weak support of Israel by the Biden Administration.

That is exactly what the Republicans will say if the price of oil goes up suddenly on Monday. People vote with their wallet. The undecided US Voters need very little to remind them to vote Republican. All other election issues have not swayed the undecided US Voters.

A future of high prices at the gas pump serves the Democrats "Green Agenda" as long as it happens AFTER the Election.

If the price at the pump goes up BEFORE the Election, it will make the undecided voters vote Republican as only the Republicans will deal with Iran to stop the terror Iran sows in the middle east.

Iran wants to deal with the Democrats, not the Republicans. That is why they are holding back on a response and that is why Iran is claiming nothing was damaged in Iran by the Israeli attack.

Under Trump, it will be a no restrictions response from Israel on Iran to stop Iran's Nuclear program. That is what Israel wants, and is what is in the best interests of World Peace.

If the price of oil does not go up on Monday, and the Republicans do not win the US Election, the future is a mad man in Iran with a finger on the launch button for a nuclear attack on Israel with so many Iranian missiles that no missile defence system can stop all the missiles, and some of the last wave of missiles will carry nukes against Tel Aviv.

Consequences mean nothing for the Supreme Leader of the Shiites in Iran.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is a 12th Iman member and he believes he is taking his followers to Heaven by sending his Nukes to wipe out Israel.

So tell me, how do you think this is over?



Drewski

Well said

[KGB]

Originally Posted by sns2

I agree with Drewski. Completely.

Not so fast…. Israel knows that democrats with Biden or Kamala are not their friends. They would much rather see Trump at the White House because he will be supporting Israel 150%! So why would Israel scale down the attach to please the Biden administration? Bibi and Don are friends way more that bibi and Joe…
I think that the reason why Israel chose the military objects for their attack rather then the Nuclear facilities or economy objects is because of the following: nuclear objects couldn’t be done without the help of the USA and would caused a huge casualties. Economic objects will also cause large casualties. The vast majority of Iranian people hate their radical Islamist rulers and support western world and even Israel( I know, I know, I couldn’t believe that either but after talking to a few Israelis - apparently it’s a real thing!) Remember what Iran was before Ayatollah took powers? That’s why Israel wanted to avoid casualties

[Drewski Canuck]

KGB,

The US does not ship top secret missile defence technology, and the satellite system access to support the THAAD System, and the manpower to operate it, without strings attached for Israel.

Officially 100 US Army Missile Defence Specialists went with the THAAD System to Israel as well. Maybe there are many more than stated.

A US $800 Million dollar loan was given to purchase more Iron Dome interceptor rockets from US Suppliers to re load the Israeli launchers to prepare for the next Iranian attack. Was that money sent with no strings attached?

Perhaps the Israeli agreement to make a limited response on Iran had something to do with the strings attached to the recent US Support?

So no offence taken with your devil's advocacy KGB.

But the fact is there are strings attached to the recent US Support in finance,
equipment, and manpower to Israel, and Israel is on a short leash for now.

The Democrats really want to continue running the US after the Election. A big run up on the price of oil right before the Election could have been avoided by the Democrats by taking direct steps against Iran's Nuclear ambitions a year ago.

Iran will play nice until after the election in hopes of dealing with the Democrats over the Republicans in the future. Israel will play nice to keep the cash flow to buy interceptor missiles and get the THAAD system in Israel.

This US Election is on a razor's edge, and neither party has found the soft spot to sway the undecided voters in all the policy crap that has been flung at the undecided US Voters by the Democrats and the Republicans.

Perhaps the reaction to a price run up by the World Oil Markets on Monday will be what decides the vote, and decides what Israel and Iran can do to each other after the Election.

Drewski

[sns2]

KGB, like Drewski and others, I believe Israel is on a short leash. European countries have stopped weapons supplies, and they are more beholden to the US than ever. I read The Jerusalem Post every day. The headline stories often have to do with not peeing off Blinken and the US, and how they are angling for ceasefire this and that. I think Israel is very much between a rock and a hard place until Trump takes over. Continue the war, but not see the whole Middle East erupt. For now.

[KGB]

Yes I do agree with you guys on most of the above. As for the short leash- it’s not that really short since Israel has constantly been pulling it…. Biden admin are constantly talking about Israel not to do this and not to do that( like stop Gaza assault etc, not going to Lebanon) and as we can see Israel couldn’t care less, they kept fighting and killing these bastards! Despite the media clowns and feds yapping about millions of poor Palestinians killed, gazzilions of children dead and other bullcrap, Israel is doing what it wants to do. So the leash is very stretched…
SNS, you are reading Jerusalem Post daily? Holy crap buddy, you are more Jew than I am, lol!

[sns2]

Originally Posted by KGB

Yes I do agree with you guys on most of the above. As for the short leash- it’s not that really short since Israel has constantly been pulling it…. Biden admin are constantly talking about Israel not to do this and not to do that( like stop Gaza assault etc, not going to Lebanon) and as we can see Israel couldn’t care less, they kept fighting and killing these bastards! Despite the media clowns and feds yapping about millions of poor Palestinians killed, gazzilions of children dead and other bullcrap, Israel is doing what it wants to do. So the leash is very stretched…
SNS, you are reading Jerusalem Post daily? Holy crap buddy, you are more Jew than I am, lol!

I have been for some time. My news cycle used to consist of Reuters, BBC, Al Jazeera, and Jerusalem post. I felt that would give me a fairly broad and diverse viewpoint. Now, I focus more on Jerusalem Post. I only go to Al Jazeera now to see how they can come up with new ways to demonize Israel and Lionize Hamas and Hezbollah. State sponsored, terrorist friendly rag. BBC is much the same concerning Israel. Good for a chuckle though.

[MK2750]

Or...the Democrats could blame the entire inflation catastrophe and even mass immigration on the escalating turmoil much like they have done with blaming Russia for high prices due to that cluster.

The Democrats would be better served with a major distraction this week as Kamala is making an absolute fool of herself over the last couple of public appearances. Even the fake news media are calling her out.

The thought that war is a bad thing only holds true if your are not up to your neck in the swamp. Arms, the trade of arms and high commodity prices are the dream of savvy investors and the most savvy investors of all are those in the know at top the Democratic party.

The strings attached consist of millions of dollars greasing the palms of insiders as it always has. If you doubt that just check the before and after financial records of everyone involved.

Being able to control turmoil around the world with a few phone calls is like knowing the lottery numbers in advance.

Only common folk benefit from peaceful and predictable.

[TheIceTitan]

Iran's large ballistic missile attack was a wake-up call. They got dozens of missiles through and weren't even using their more advanced hypersonic weapons -- if they were equipped with nukes, it would be all over. Message received.

Despite effective decapitation strikes, Hezbollah seemingly has Israel bogged down barely inside southern Lebanon.

The larger Iran-Russia play, in my opinion, is to slowly push the US out of the Middle East via the use of countless proxies in Yemen, Syria, and Iraq. And without US boots on the ground in their defense, Israel will be a sitting duck. Given the rapid decline of the US, Israel is running out of runway.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by TheIceTitan

Iran's large ballistic missile attack was a wake-up call. They got dozens of missiles through.....

Given the rapid decline of the US, Israel is running out of runway.

Just an FYI, if they aren't going to hit anything critical, they don't shoot them down. So of course some got through.

Israel has nuclear capability, they have all the runway in the world if push comes to shove.

[TheIceTitan]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Just an FYI, if they aren't going to hit anything critical, they don't shoot them down. So of course some got through.

Israel has nuclear capability, they have all the runway in the world if push comes to shove.

Iran hit the Nevatim airbase with almost three dozen missiles.

An airbase isn't critical?

Given how small Israel is and how close enemy air defense systems can be located to potential launch locations, every delivery vehicle for an Israeli nuke can be intercepted (for now). Even an ICBM could be intercepted during its boost phase. Israel doesn't really have first strike capability (vis-a-vis Iran) and has absolutely no defensive depth. Israel will lose its offensive dominance relative to its neighbors and have to accommodate itself to a changed balance of power in the region.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by TheIceTitan

Iran hit the Nevatim airbase with almost three dozen missiles.

An airbase isn't critical?

Given how small Israel is and how close enemy air defense systems can be located to potential launch locations, every delivery vehicle for an Israeli nuke can be intercepted (for now). Even an ICBM could be intercepted during its boost phase. Israel doesn't really have first strike capability (vis-a-vis Iran) and has absolutely no defensive depth. Israel will lose its offensive dominance relative to its neighbors and have to accommodate itself to a changed balance of power in the region.

I think you are a little bit narrow sighted… You are forgetting that it’s not only Israel who is sick and tired of Iran but also Saudis, UAE and a few others…
Also, If Iran launches nukes - the game is over. Israel does have an ability to intercept and destroy those missiles, Iran doesn’t. They will be turned into a parking lot.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by TheIceTitan

Iran hit the Nevatim airbase with almost three dozen missiles.

An airbase isn't critical?

I said some got through. For 180+ missiles launched, I'd say the damage was incredibly minor.

Originally Posted by TheIceTitan

Given how small Israel is and how close enemy air defense systems can be located to potential launch locations, every delivery vehicle for an Israeli nuke can be intercepted (for now). Even an ICBM could be intercepted during its boost phase. Israel doesn't really have first strike capability (vis-a-vis Iran) and has absolutely no defensive depth.

Israel has nukes on subs, planes, etc. feel this ^ is complete false and inaccurate.

[Drewski Canuck]

You guys are pretty funny when you downplay the Israeli hit on the airbase as minor.

Perhaps the real target was something located deep under the airbase? Something very strategic?

Anyways, with all the World Leaders screaming at Iran not to do something, they're going to do something, big. All the rest of the World Leaders did not have Iran's back and some knew of the planning of Israel's raid on Iran.

The fact that Iraqi airspace was used to get within less than 100 kilometers of the Iranian border before launching the Israeli missiles, now makes Iraq the enemy and collaborator with the US who are seen as controlling Iraq, and friend of Israel.

It was that ability to come so close to Iran that made the Israeli strikes so successful. No doubt low, and below Iran's radars.

Sunnis and Shiites went to war for 8 years because of Iraq's surprise attack on Iran. The Shiites have long memories, and vengeance is never forgotten. Iraq has now helped Israel and that required US participation.

So much for avoiding an Israeli attack directed against Iran's Oil Supply so there is no oil price shock before the Election.

It won't be Israel dropping bombs on Iran's oil supply, but the US collaborators in the Middle East are now Iran's targets, and the target is Iraqi oil, and then onto bigger things.

God I hate these bumbling pants pooping Democrats. They really will kill us all.

Drewski

[TheIceTitan]

Originally Posted by KGB

I think you are a little bit narrow sighted… You are forgetting that it’s not only Israel who is sick and tired of Iran but also Saudis, UAE and a few others…
Also, If Iran launches nukes - the game is over. Israel does have an ability to intercept and destroy those missiles, Iran doesn’t. They will be turned into a parking lot.

Iran just got dozens of lower tech ballistic missiles through to military targets across Israel. Ergo, if that salvo were carrying nuclear weapons, Iran just demonstrated that it can nuke Israel at will.

Also, there has actually been some rapprochement between Iran and the Saudis relatively recently; in any event, all of these Arab countries just play along because Uncle Sam says so.

[TheIceTitan]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I said some got through. For 180+ missiles launched, I'd say the damage was incredibly minor.

Go read your post again. You stated that any missiles that weren't intercepted were allowed to land. Laughable. Israel didn't allow nearly three dozen missiles to land on an airbase. Israel's air defense was just badly exposed. It was overwhelmed and offers no protection against hypersonics.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

You guys are pretty funny when you downplay the Israeli hit on the airbase as minor.

Perhaps the real target was something located deep under the airbase? Something very strategic?

Anyways, with all the World Leaders screaming at Iran not to do something, they're going to do something, big. All the rest of the World Leaders did not have Iran's back and some knew of the planning of Israel's raid on Iran.

The fact that Iraqi airspace was used to get within less than 100 kilometers of the Iranian border before launching the Israeli missiles, now makes Iraq the enemy and collaborator with the US who are seen as controlling Iraq, and friend of Israel.

It was that ability to come so close to Iran that made the Israeli strikes so successful. No doubt low, and below Iran's radars.

Sunnis and Shiites went to war for 8 years because of Iraq's surprise attack on Iran. The Shiites have long memories, and vengeance is never forgotten. Iraq has now helped Israel and that required US participation.

So much for avoiding an Israeli attack directed against Iran's Oil Supply so there is no oil price shock before the Election.

It won't be Israel dropping bombs on Iran's oil supply, but the US collaborators in the Middle East are now Iran's targets, and the target is Iraqi oil, and then onto bigger things.

God I hate these bumbling pants pooping Democrats. They really will kill us all.

Drewski

There has been a tit for tat going on for a while.

What would make this one any different?

So far the oil markets have become bored of it and stopped putting a risk premium of any significance on because of it unless oil should be $60/barrel right now which is what oilprice.com has been saying for a while.

Now even irans supreme leader is downplaying it while saying now to down play it… by also saying don’t exaggerate it like it’s really a big deal.

He says Iran will get even when they decide to… which isn’t any different than the ongoing missile diplomacy we are seeing.

https://www.euronews.com/2024/10/27/...-latest-attack

This relatively minor skirmish has show both parties that Iran has lots of missiles but they just used a bunch. Israel showed their technology surpasses irans defences so neither party wants or needs a major escalation.

All this talk of escalation because US is sending more weapons… well Israel wants anything and everything they can get and the US is likely happy to have any Iranian weaponry destroyed. If Israel hit drone manufacturing if may also aid Ukraine.

While no one wants to see this happening if they live in the region… so far the muscle flexing is likely just doing what’s intended.

Iran arguing they are a force to be reckoned with and that Israel is evil.

Israel arguing touch us and we hit back with a bigger stick.

My cats sometimes play a game. One walks up to another and puts a paw on the other cat or just starts tapping with a paw. The other ignores till enough is enough and a short game of cat WWF happens. They they break off and alls good.

There is a reason why Israel attacked after oil markets closed… so than come later today oil would be essential unfazed. Probably a US request.

[KGB]

I was just watching some Israeli ex military security expert talking about the hit. Apparently Israel informed the Iran about the incoming attack and gave them just enough time to evacuate people from the targeted areas. That’s why they have only 4 casualties…. What was hit actually are the factories and warehouses that produced and stored ammunition and missiles. One nuclear site was also hit.
There were 3 waives of aircrafts attacking Iran with no casualties on Israeli side. They had a rescue choppers and teams on a stand by in Iraq in case the pilots got shot down so they can be rescued quickly. There were 4 women in those airplanes, two pilots and two navigators( or whatever they called)

[Supergrit]

I would think that Israel could hit any place in Iran at any time it chooses. If iran keeps poking they will get a large response one day.

[Crankbait]

All four parts of the Iron dome plus thaad are in the ready.. if Iran goes for it in the coming hours, they've signed their death certificate.