Finally, some common sense

[gunluvr]

Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 to "ensure the stability" of the oil & gas industry

https://flip.it/WmwZQG

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[Landshark]

Electric vehicles are OK. But so are gas vehicles. There's room for both. Let the buyer decide what's best and not by mandate or phase out.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by Landshark

Electric vehicles are OK. But so are gas vehicles. There's room for both. Let the buyer decide what's best and not by mandate or phase out.

I agree but it's good to see at least one jurisdiction moving to protect it's O&G industry. If a mandate is what it takes, so be it. The greens have no problem with mandates.

[nimrod]

Glad to hear this for Wyoming. now only if our politicians can get a brain

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by Landshark

Electric vehicles are OK. But so are gas vehicles. There's room for both. Let the buyer decide what's best and not by mandate or phase out.

Exactly!! Too much divisiveness where it’s either or, there’s room for both and it needs to be a happy medium. Some places can handle more EVs due to infrastructure and the way people use their vehicles, other communities are better served by petrol.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Landshark

Electric vehicles are OK. But so are gas vehicles. There's room for both. Let the buyer decide what's best and not by mandate or phase out.

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

Exactly!! Too much divisiveness where it’s either or, there’s room for both and it needs to be a happy medium. Some places can handle more EVs due to infrastructure and the way people use their vehicles, other communities are better served by petrol.

As much as I agree with both of you in practice; the EV/ICE thing will be just like firearm ownership in the future. How has sitting by trying not to push a firearms agenda against a hostile opponent worked out?

[Drewski Canuck]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 to "ensure the stability" of the

ELECTRICAL GRID.

https://flip.it/WmwZQG

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There. I fixed it for you! Truth is that the California Electrical Grid with the highest per capita EV's was browning out all summer because of the demand of what amounted to 4 % of all vehicles on the road. Imagine the load at 50 %.

Drewski

[Grizzly Adams1]

I've gotten to follow this lady's logic, maybe because she's German.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zklo4Z1SqkE

Grizz

[daveyn]

Originally Posted by nimrod

Glad to hear this for Wyoming. now only if our politicians can get a brain

Pretty confident the wagon wheel and buggy whip manufactures had the same thoughts back in the day when those horseless carriages first came out. Transportation is evolving, you can either get in front of it or get left behind.

[pikeman06]

Gotta burn some fuel to mine the lithium gotta burn some fuel to build the e.v. oil and gas ain't going anywhere. The people that think we can operate without oil and gas need to get off the pipe. E.V has its place in major urban centers agreed but as previously mentioned. CONSUMER CHOICE. Enough with the control already governments!!! we give up half our paychecks for our "privledge" of simply existing.

[Redhorse Ranch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf85EuQKWeQ

A great many inconvenient truths exposed here.

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by daveyn

Pretty confident the wagon wheel and buggy whip manufactures had the same thoughts back in the day when those horseless carriages first came out. Transportation is evolving, you can either get in front of it or get left behind.

Maybe they did, however, as far as I know, there was no legislation forcing the horseless carriage on an unwilling population. Also, there was no shortage of petroleum to fuel those carriages. At some point in the future, EV's may rule the day, but for now if you ask the leaders spearheading this idea where the power is coming from, they basically shrug their shoulders and say we'll work it out? With the time lines they are mandating, they better get their tails in gear, because it will be a huge and VERY expensive job to upgrade the gird in time. Any info I have been able to find, states canukistan contributes 1.4 to 1.6 % of global green house emissions. China, India and the US combined are about 60%. The US is making an effort, but the other two continue to accelerate output. We are committing financial suicide so the POS in Ottawa can thump it's chest and virtue signal on the world stage!

JMHO

[CaberTosser]

The wagon wheels & buggy whips went on their own as technology evolved & was subsequently scaled-up to serve public demand. The act of forcing change by legislation is not remotely comparable. When the technology & infrastucture is sufficient, people will voluntarily move to it of their own volition (ie: even without taxpayer-funded rebates on purchases). Light users will start first as they already have, then the heavy users can get on board as the vehicles to suit their specific needs come to market: trucks, vans and heavy trucks.

Current infrastructure can support a certain amount of EV's, but it's nowhere near being able to support 50% or better market share for them. The power grid & power generation are both woefully inadequate for that. Canadian winters & long trips are another matter entirely. Imagine the winter line-ups at highway charge stations if we all of a sudden had 20% EV market share.

Change has to happen at a pace that can be scaled to, forcing a timetable dramatically increases costs. Imagine large nations on similar deadlines all wanting to buy the same commodities (copper, lithium, etc) & what that does to spike costs.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Change has to happen at a pace that can be scaled to, forcing a timetable dramatically increases costs. Imagine large nations on similar deadlines all wanting to buy the same commodities (copper, lithium, etc) & what that does to spike costs.

Not to mention the rare earths, named that way for a reason, essential for creating the magnets that enable the technology.

Grizz

[Hooter]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

The wagon wheels & buggy whips went on their own as technology evolved & was subsequently scaled-up to serve public demand. The act of forcing change by legislation is not remotely comparable. When the technology & infrastucture is sufficient, people will voluntarily move to it of their own volition (ie: even without taxpayer-funded rebates on purchases). Light users will start first as they already have, then the heavy users can get on board as the vehicles to suit their specific needs come to market: trucks, vans and heavy trucks.

Current infrastructure can support a certain amount of EV's, but it's nowhere near being able to support 50% or better market share for them. The power grid & power generation are both woefully inadequate for that. Canadian winters & long trips are another matter entirely. Imagine the winter line-ups at highway charge stations if we all of a sudden had 20% EV market share.

Change has to happen at a pace that can be scaled to, forcing a timetable dramatically increases costs. Imagine large nations on similar deadlines all wanting to buy the same commodities (copper, lithium, etc) & what that does to spike costs.

Once again I completely agree with you Caber.

Forcing change through legislation is completely different than the open market adapting and responding to consumers desires. I’m tired of the giver many deciding what is best for us…

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

The wagon wheels & buggy whips went on their own as technology evolved & was subsequently scaled-up to serve public demand. The act of forcing change by legislation is not remotely comparable. When the technology & infrastucture is sufficient, people will voluntarily move to it of their own volition (ie: even without taxpayer-funded rebates on purchases). Light users will start first as they already have, then the heavy users can get on board as the vehicles to suit their specific needs come to market: trucks, vans and heavy trucks.

Current infrastructure can support a certain amount of EV's, but it's nowhere near being able to support 50% or better market share for them. The power grid & power generation are both woefully inadequate for that. Canadian winters & long trips are another matter entirely. Imagine the winter line-ups at highway charge stations if we all of a sudden had 20% EV market share.

Change has to happen at a pace that can be scaled to, forcing a timetable dramatically increases costs. Imagine large nations on similar deadlines all wanting to buy the same commodities (copper, lithium, etc) & what that does to spike costs.

You've hit upon an important fact. Dramatically increasing costs by forcing a timetable is probably the most prohibitive effect upon a quick EV revolution. If politicians would just keep their noses out of it, change would come, and naturally.
Fossil fuels won't be around forever, and change will come. We don't need to all go broke getting there.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

I've gotten to follow this lady's logic, maybe because she's German.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zklo4Z1SqkE

Grizz

Strangely, so do I!

[EZM]

I'm not sure if this will have any real appreciable impact ..... and, in fact, may simply cause people who want to buy an EV in Wyoming to simply spend their money out of the State.

I'm not really sure if it's even enforceable is it? Maybe it is, but seems like a nothing burger to me. You are not going to stop consumers from making choices on what they choose to drive.

Sounds like nothing more than pro oil/gas industry virtue signaling.

Not arguing pro EV nor am I arguing the merits of conventional vs. EV's - just thinking about this as common sense. It doesn't seem this will do much to be honest.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by EZM

I'm not sure if this will have any real appreciable impact ..... and, in fact, may simply cause people who want to buy an EV in Wyoming to simply spend their money out of the State.

I'm not really sure if it's even enforceable is it? Maybe it is, but seems like a nothing burger to me. You are not going to stop consumers from making choices on what they choose to drive.

Sounds like nothing more than pro oil/gas industry virtue signaling.

Not arguing pro EV nor am I arguing the merits of conventional vs. EV's - just thinking about this as common sense. It doesn't seem this will do much to be honest.

Of course it won't do much. Wyoming is the US version of Saskatchewan. Doesn't mean the Wyoming State Legislature shouldn't push back against EV mandates that ignore a large segment of their economy. It's not going to affect those who don't care. They're making a statement, for what it's worth.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by EZM

Sounds like nothing more than pro oil/gas industry virtue signaling.

Ding ding ding.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

Of course it won't do much. Wyoming is the US version of Saskatchewan. Doesn't mean the Wyoming State Legislature shouldn't push back against EV mandates that ignore a large segment of their economy. It's not going to affect those who don't care. They're making a statement, for what it's worth.

So do you think that should be part of Danielle Smiths campaigns in the spring?

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

Of course it won't do much. Wyoming is the US version of Saskatchewan. Doesn't mean the Wyoming State Legislature shouldn't push back against EV mandates that ignore a large segment of their economy. It's not going to affect those who don't care. They're making a statement, for what it's worth.

Good on Wyoming for doing so. I'm guessing there will be more states that don't border coastal waters follow suit. I highly doubt, aside from a few part time residents of Jackson Hole, no one in Wyoming is interested in owning an EV.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by Scott h

So do you think that should be part of Danielle Smiths campaigns in the spring?

I don't agree with government mandates on just about anything. Government should keep it's long nose out of what you may buy, or not buy. But I thinks there's a statement to be made, and an "anti-mandate" is what this is.

[vanadium]

Oil and Gas will forever stay. EV has its own limitations and cost implications. We are not ready for this discussion yet.

[barbless]

Electric planes? Trains? (We have trains) Are they gonna bring back the electric trolley busses they had in T.O. Street cars? All electric vehicle for mining? Think you can go across country pulling a trailer and camping? Not all campgrounds have power. EV truck to pull a 32 ft toy hauler? Oh ya what about the toys? EV side by side, quad, off road dirt bikes? Do they make an EV 300hp boat engine? No matter the Greenies don't do what us Outdoorsman do. OOOPPSS my bad. Outdoor people more politically correct. LOL As mentioned let us decide and not be told. My rant of EV

[SuperCub]

Originally Posted by nimrod

Glad to hear this for Wyoming. now only if our politicians can get a brain

Blame the voters, not the politicians. We're just getting what they voted for.

[ghostguy6]

Originally Posted by SuperCub

Blame the voters, not the politicians. We're just getting what they voted for.

You cant blame the voters if there is no one worth voting for! I bet the majority of the votes cast west of Ontario are votes for the lesser of two evils, not who they really want to be in charge.

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by vanadium

Oil and Gas will forever stay. EV has its own limitations and cost implications. We are not ready for this discussion yet.

Wrong. Oil/Gas are finite resource. As and oil/gas guy, alternatives must be explored, developed to keep our standard of living. One day, oil/gas will be no more (depleted). Keep and open mind, be open to alternative sources of energy. Energy = power. Alberta has it, until it doesn’t.

[SuperCub]

Originally Posted by ghostguy6

You cant blame the voters if there is no one worth voting for! I bet the majority of the votes cast west of Ontario are votes for the lesser of two evils, not who they really want to be in charge.

Voters want their "stuff" and who ever promises the most stuff wins. Universal health care, $10/day child care, Universal prescription coverage, Universal min. income etc etc etc. This is how the liberals win and will continue to win elections.

You will never again see a gov't elected on a platform of fiscal austerity with the end goal of debt reduction. Voters don't care about what the end debt result for Canada is 50yrs down the road. They just want their stuff!

[mtnluvr]

Stop the mandating as well as the subsidizing. Let manufacturers take their products to market and the consumers will decide what they want. As electric becomes more viable there will be a natural progression. Free market will encourage r and d much faster than government mandates.