Anterless elk wmu 212 map

Buckhorn2 · #1 07-23-2015, 10:21 AM

I applied for the wmu 212 anterless and got drawn. I was under impression would recieve a map in the mail with suggestions for land access. Has anyone recieved the map yet? I dont know anyone in calgary or area who owns land so im hoping ill get permission off the list.

elkslayer132 · #2 07-23-2015, 11:03 AM

Don't waste your time i got it last year and nobody will give you permission.

nimrod · #3 07-23-2015, 11:11 AM

best bet is buy a county map for the area, and find Ducks Unlimited land, there land is all foot traffic only, no driving anything, but it's a place to hunt.

elkslayer132 · #4 07-23-2015, 12:51 PM

It is not all of 212 either just a small portion north of Black Diamond that is open for draw

calgarychef · #5 07-23-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elkslayer132

It is not all of 212 either just a small portion north of Black Diamond that is open for draw

That ain't true by the way, it's a 212 hunt and the map only shows landowners who have or had been contacted in the past.

I've been drawn again for this hunt this year. Land owners were pretty decent last time although we didn't get elk it was from bad shooting of an unfamiliar gun not from lack of access. It would be nice if andersons would open up their property though as that's where the elk often are...

Kaz Dog · #6 07-23-2015, 02:21 PM

Chef, you may want to check your regulations and the information that S.R.D. sends out more carefully.

I have been drawn multiple times for this hunt since its' inception, and have heard it before "it is for all of 212". It became such an issue for some friends I was hosting that were not from Calgary, that I had a great chat with the Conservation Officer about it, while in the field.

He instructed me to read the information in the package I was sent, which I happened to have on me. He showed me were it said the hunt was only with in the indicated area of 212, and that the coloured area were for those landowners who S.R.D. had contacted and had indicated that no permission would be given.

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Originally Posted by calgarychef

That ain't true by the way, it's a 212 hunt and the map only shows landowners who have or had been contacted in the past.

I've been drawn again for this hunt this year. Land owners were pretty decent last time although we didn't get elk it was from bad shooting of an unfamiliar gun not from lack of access. It would be nice if andersons would open up their property though as that's where the elk often are...

walking buffalo · #7 07-23-2015, 03:28 PM

The Chef is right, this special licence is valid for the entire wmu, not just for the area show on the landowner contact map.

The officer gave you bad information. I was fed the same bs a few of years ago, from the same fellow that in the previous year personally drove us to the location of a couple of herds outside of the map area and said "go get 'em!"

The Wildlife Act regulations clearly state that the licence is valid for wmu 212, NOT a portion of it. The hunt package is NOT a legal document and is wrong in what it infers.

So why is this officer giving the wrong info? You can thank Senior F&W biologist Jon Jorgensen. He refused to change the information package to clearly state the changes in the new regulations when the licence was expanded from the map area to the whole wmu. He pressured the personnel into giving false information under the threat that if people hunted outside of where he wanted them to focus their efforts, he would cancel the hunt and resort back to his trapping program for population control, the very program that failed and produced the hunt. I called Jon's bluff and sent him a letter asking for clarification on his position and the true regulations for this hunt, both the area and minimum land size, he condescendingly admitted he was giving bad info....

We can also be thankful that Jon has finally retired.

KyleSS · #8 07-23-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaz Dog

Chef, you may want to check your regulations and the information that S.R.D. sends out more carefully.

I have been drawn multiple times for this hunt since its' inception, and have heard it before "it is for all of 212". It became such an issue for some friends I was hosting that were not from Calgary, that I had a great chat with the Conservation Officer about it, while in the field.

He instructed me to read the information in the package I was sent, which I happened to have on me. He showed me were it said the hunt was only with in the indicated area of 212, and that the coloured area were for those landowners who S.R.D. had contacted and had indicated that no permission would be given.

Can you please show us where it says that it must be in side the provided map.

This is straight from the regulations
"WMU 212 Antlerless Elk Archery Licence. Holders of this licence may kill 1 antlerless elk with a bow and arrow (but not cross-bow) in WMU 212 during the archery only season, S1 - N30."

And this is right out of the draw booklet

"A WMU 212 Antlerless Elk Special Licence authorizes the holder to hunt an antlerless elk in WMU 212 Monday to Friday only during one of the
specified time periods. See Page 48 for definition of “antlerless”.
A map will be sent to successful applicants identifying access opportunities for the hunt. Hunters are required to carry written permission from the
landowner allowing access while hunting under this licence."

So you can see where it says and I quote "A map will be sent to successful applicants identifying access opportunities for the hunt."

it does not say any where you must hunt with in the designated area. Further more on the tag it self it says WMU-212 Antlerless Elk Special Licence Draw

So before you spread misinformation please know your facts. Also I being in the hunt area last year I spoke to many fish and wildlife officers from High River and Cochrane and they all confirmed that it is for ALL OF WMU 212

zewks · #9 07-23-2015, 04:44 PM

It is all of 212!

Kaz Dog · #10 07-23-2015, 05:32 PM

I stand corrected then, the last time I had opportunity to hunt the January hunt was 3 seasons ago, and I was going off of what I was told.

If you can not trust the Conservation Officers to know the rules - who issue tickets to court - who can you trust in the government S.R.D./F.&W. area, huh? ( I do not want to start comments, or a thread, bashing Conservations Officers, that is not productive..........and only lets small minds behind anonymous keyboards feel big.)

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Originally Posted by KyleSS

Can you please show us where it says that it must be in side the provided map.

This is straight from the regulations
"WMU 212 Antlerless Elk Archery Licence. Holders of this licence may kill 1 antlerless elk with a bow and arrow (but not cross-bow) in WMU 212 during the archery only season, S1 - N30."

And this is right out of the draw booklet

"A WMU 212 Antlerless Elk Special Licence authorizes the holder to hunt an antlerless elk in WMU 212 Monday to Friday only during one of the
specified time periods. See Page 48 for definition of “antlerless”.
A map will be sent to successful applicants identifying access opportunities for the hunt. Hunters are required to carry written permission from the
landowner allowing access while hunting under this licence."

So you can see where it says and I quote "A map will be sent to successful applicants identifying access opportunities for the hunt."

it does not say any where you must hunt with in the designated area. Further more on the tag it self it says WMU-212 Antlerless Elk Special Licence Draw

So before you spread misinformation please know your facts. Also I being in the hunt area last year I spoke to many fish and wildlife officers from High River and Cochrane and they all confirmed that it is for ALL OF WMU 212

killerbren · #11 07-26-2015, 10:17 PM

I can also say that this tag is for the whole 212 area. I had this tag 2 years ago and talked to the co about it. He said we were allowed to hunt outside the mapped area, but it was strongly encouraged to hunt the area or the area close to it as that was the area with the most elk issues and resident support. I would suggest getting a landowner map to supplement the map they provide you with in case you find elk outside the mapped area.

I found the landowners great and easy to talk to, some gave us permission and some did not.

deerguy · #12 09-11-2015, 12:30 AM

Is there an outfitter that will guide residents with this tag?

J0HN_R1 · #13 09-11-2015, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by calgarychef

That ain't true by the way, it's a 212 hunt and the map only shows landowners who have or had been contacted in the past.

I've been drawn again for this hunt this year. Land owners were pretty decent last time, although we didn't get elk it was from bad shooting of an unfamiliar gun not from lack of access. It would be nice if andersons would open up their property though as that's where the elk often are...

What we're doing using a "gun" on an Archery Only tag and in a Bow Only zone...?

KyleSS · #14 09-11-2015, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by J0HN_R1

What we're doing using a "gun" on an Archery Only tag and in a Bow Only zone...?

Actually bud its a primitive weapons tag. So that includes muzzle loader, shot gun, cross bow, and archery.

Read the regs

Jordan Smith · #15 09-11-2015, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KyleSS

Actually bud its a primitive weapons tag. So that includes muzzle loader, shot gun, cross bow, and archery.

Read the regs

Quote:

Originally Posted by KyleSS

This is straight from the regulations
"WMU 212 Antlerless Elk Archery Licence. Holders of this licence may kill 1 antlerless elk with a bow and arrow (but not cross-bow) in WMU 212 during the archery only season, S1 - N30."

Doesn't seem that way...

Bobbydee · #16 09-11-2015, 08:38 AM

Gotta love that land owners want to complain about Elk being a problem and will not allow hunters to help them with it and grant permission.

KyleSS · #17 09-11-2015, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

Doesn't seem that way...

See the original post, he spoke about being drawn. See the attached picture for the rules about the draw tag for wmu 212 antlerless elk. The tag you referenced was the reg season antlerless tag for 212

KBF · #18 09-11-2015, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith

Doesn't seem that way...

Unbelievable that one you referred to is the Archery season and license. Not the Special License the original poster is talking about.

Can I start a new thread for the same map question now for the 2016 season?
Just to get it rolling

Okotokian · #19 09-11-2015, 11:49 AM

They send you a landowner contact map????????? I've never gotten anything like that with a special license, but then I've never hunted 212. What service! LOL

J0HN_R1 · #20 09-11-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleSS

Actually bud its a primitive weapons tag. So that includes muzzle loader, shot gun, cross bow, and archery.

Read the regs

I have red the regs, bud... Try reading the thread, bud...

Nowhere does ANYONE mention that the OP (or calgarychef) was referring to the Special License and NOT the Archery tag, bud...

schian · #21 09-11-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J0HN_R1

I have red the regs, bud... Try reading the thread, bud...

Nowhere does ANYONE mention that the OP (or calgarychef) was referring to the Special License and NOT the Archery tag, bud...

The OP saying he "got drawn" would indicate a special license no??

Schian

KyleSS · #22 09-11-2015, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by J0HN_R1

I have red the regs, bud... Try reading the thread, bud...

Nowhere does ANYONE mention that the OP (or calgarychef) was referring to the Special License and NOT the Archery tag, bud...

Please go read the first sentence of the first post lol

Hooter · #23 09-11-2015, 01:46 PM

^^this.

Mathieu · #24 09-12-2015, 03:54 PM

Hi guys, got drawn for this special Elk license in 300A outside of Waterton Park. They don't seem to provide any information or hunting maps, guess I'll have to get the county to send me a map..
Anyone know whether it is mostly private land and if so, anyone have any contacts?
Any information or tips you have to share would be very appreciated, wouldn't have to start from scratch.
Thanks!

Matt

deerguy · #25 09-24-2015, 07:01 PM

So is this a decent hunt to enter?

Knotter · #26 09-24-2015, 10:49 PM

A few years ago and received permission from a couple of landowners. The elk were wise to it and hung out in the cross conservation area.

Here are a few guys who fill this tag but it's a revenue grab in my opinion. Depends how much work you want to put it. Ironically. I spoke to a few of the landowners who were marked off red and they were a little surprised as they had not been contacted for a few years. This is a half measure to manage the population. They would be better off to use helicopters and haze them onto the reserve lands. what do you suppose happens if they trap them?

Buckhorn2 · #27 09-25-2015, 12:36 AM

Just an update i spoke to esrd / relm and the wildlife biologist in this area (which was a 4-5 day process of messages and transfers) she told me that the map package information was finalized and forwarded approximatel 2 days ago, to the department that will forward them to the successful applicants. She said to expect them in 7-14 days

Kaz Dog · #28 09-28-2015, 03:13 PM

I received my package today! All others that haven't received them yet, expect your package in a day or two.

calgarychef · #29 09-28-2015, 09:39 PM

Interesting threes no landowners maps this year. Must cave been too much hassles for the fish cops to talk to the owners to put the map together. I found that with the old maps lots of fellers would say they would allow hunting but then not allow hunters on. it's a fun hunt once the permission is lined up, I do feel for the landowners though with all the trucks cruising around and around...

58thecat · #30 09-29-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KyleSS

See the original post, he spoke about being drawn. See the attached picture for the rules about the draw tag for wmu 212 antlerless elk. The tag you referenced was the reg season antlerless tag for 212

Looks straight forward, can't see any confusion coming out of this until it gets discussed...