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So, something I was thinking about and trying to get straight in my head.
Alberta doesn't need to "turn off the taps" the Oil companies will just keep tightening down the screws in order to get what they want. It isn't just Alberta that wants these pipelines, the Oil companys do as well.
Then low and behold this comes out. https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...3-3a0150d6ce4a
The BC Gov might be able to stop Alberta through what ever court measures they want but how on earth will they stop the Oil companies from charging what they wish?
The BC Gov has ****ed off some big companies and now Oil is going to make these clowns pay.
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I find it humorous, that in the article at the end there is a suggestion that BC should 'regulate' gasoline prices....oh yes? And what if the suppliers don't want to play ball? Is BC going to subsidize dirty carbon spewing fuel, while taxing it, while blocking it.....? Such hypocrisy! I'm sure that refined products from Alberta will find willing buyers elsewhere if BC doesn't like the price.
Bring on the pain for consumers, see how they like it. Most people vote with their wallet.
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04-30-2019, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I find it humorous, that in the article at the end there is a suggestion that BC should 'regulate' gasoline prices....oh yes? And what if the suppliers don't want to play ball? Is BC going to subsidize dirty carbon spewing fuel, while taxing it, while blocking it.....? Such hypocrisy! I'm sure that refined products from Alberta will find willing buyers elsewhere if BC doesn't like the price.
Bring on the pain for consumers, see how they like it. Most people vote with their wallet.
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TC.. Do you think the Oil companys are doing this on purpose with the end goal being the pipeline?
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04-30-2019, 07:02 PM
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TC.. Do you think the Oil companys are doing this on purpose with the end goal being the pipeline?
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Absolutely on purpose, yes. Probably pressure for a pipeline, but also just the basic economics of a bottom line. They have been getting killed on the discount between WCS and WTI oil prices, so if they have a 'captive' consumer for their refined products, who is absolutely part of the problem....stick it to them to help keep the business afloat. Win win.
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04-30-2019, 07:08 PM
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Absolutely on purpose, yes. Probably pressure for a pipeline, but also just the basic economics of a bottom line. They have been getting killed on the discount between WCS and WTI oil prices, so if they have a 'captive' consumer for their refined products, who is absolutely part of the problem....stick it to them to help keep the business afloat. Win win.
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Those are my thoughts exactly. No proof but the results are there. Just a penny at a time and they will not blame the companies.
Good for them. Hammer down and lets see what happens when Kenny goes looking for his pound of flesh.
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04-30-2019, 07:16 PM
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Those are my thoughts exactly. No proof but the results are there. Just a penny at a time and they will not blame the companies.
Good for them. Hammer down and lets see what happens when Kenny goes looking for his pound of flesh.
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I believe this is the only way to break this stupid deadlock. Until those who oppose 'dirty oil' and are principled about it, are made to pay for their hypocrisy (and all you have to do is look at the carbon footprint of the BC ferry system to see how much hypocrisy there is. And Suzuki)...at the gas pumps, every day, and really feel the pain like we have here....it won't change. BC will ship mega-tons of coal to China while blocking LNG projects....and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see which is better for the environment. I'm so sick of the Holier Than Thou attitude. I hope the price at the pump hits $3 or $4 a liter for them. Suck it and think about it, green bitches.
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04-30-2019, 07:25 PM
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I believe this is the only way to break this stupid deadlock. Until those who oppose 'dirty oil' and are principled about it, are made to pay for their hypocrisy (and all you have to do is look at the carbon footprint of the BC ferry system to see how much hypocrisy there is. And Suzuki)...at the gas pumps, every day, and really feel the pain like we have here....it won't change. BC will ship mega-tons of coal to China while blocking LNG projects....and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see which is better for the environment. I'm so sick of the Holier Than Thou attitude. I hope the price at the pump hits $3 or $4 a liter for them. Suck it and think about it, green bitches.
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....and make them pay until our books are balanced.
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04-30-2019, 07:34 PM
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I believe this is the only way to break this stupid deadlock. Until those who oppose 'dirty oil' and are principled about it, are made to pay for their hypocrisy (and all you have to do is look at the carbon footprint of the BC ferry system to see how much hypocrisy there is. And Suzuki)...at the gas pumps, every day, and really feel the pain like we have here....it won't change. BC will ship mega-tons of coal to China while blocking LNG projects....and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see which is better for the environment. I'm so sick of the Holier Than Thou attitude. I hope the price at the pump hits $3 or $4 a liter for them. Suck it and think about it, green bitches.
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Amen!
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04-30-2019, 09:02 PM
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So, BC doesn't want any new pipelines for our dirty oil, but they are going to make a court challenge against limiting shipments on existing pipelines. That's funny. Sometimes you need to lift your arms and see if it's your pits that stink. Hypocrisy, irony, whatever you want to call it. Either you want Alberta Oil or you don't. What a confused pack of entitled 'environmentalists', we don't want your oil but if you cut us off we will challenge it in court. Suck it!
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...5-cda52560c1f8
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I believe this is the only way to break this stupid deadlock. Until those who oppose 'dirty oil' and are principled about it, are made to pay for their hypocrisy (and all you have to do is look at the carbon footprint of the BC ferry system to see how much hypocrisy there is. And Suzuki)...at the gas pumps, every day, and really feel the pain like we have here....it won't change. BC will ship mega-tons of coal to China while blocking LNG projects....and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see which is better for the environment. I'm so sick of the Holier Than Thou attitude. I hope the price at the pump hits $3 or $4 a liter for them. Suck it and think about it, green bitches.
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THIS^^^ 
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04-30-2019, 09:14 PM
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Here is the latest from JK.
This isnt a shot across the bow.. This is aimed directly at the Gov of BC.. Well done!
Much better idea than stopping wine...... Who came up with that idiotic idea anyhow?
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/op...3-fc5b9066d76b
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04-30-2019, 09:21 PM
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Nicely done. Play nice, until it is time to not play nice. Roadhouse Diplomacy. I like it.
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Originally Posted by Jamie
So, something I was thinking about and trying to get straight in my head.
Alberta doesn't need to "turn off the taps" the Oil companies will just keep tightening down the screws in order to get what they want. It isn't just Alberta that wants these pipelines, the Oil companys do as well.
Then low and behold this comes out. https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...3-3a0150d6ce4a
The BC Gov might be able to stop Alberta through what ever court measures they want but how on earth will they stop the Oil companies from charging what they wish?
The BC Gov has ****ed off some big companies and now Oil is going to make these clowns pay. |
When you look at the companies financials they aren’t making a ridiculous profit.
Likely the refinery pays big carbon taxes also.
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When you look at the companies financials they aren’t making a ridiculous profit.
Likely the refinery pays big carbon taxes also.
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The refinery pays carbon tax on the natural gas used in the refining process, the natural gas they use to heat their buildings, carbon tax to deliver the parts and materials that they use to maintain the plant. They pay extra for contractors who charge for their vehicles and fuel, as well as to heat their buildings. The truckers pay carbon tax on the fuel they use in their trucks, and they pay more to have their trucks serviced , because the service providers pay carbon tax to heat their facility. The service station pays carbon tax to heat the building, and they pay more to have their pumps serviced and calibrated, because the people doing that pay carbon tax on their fuel, and to heat their buildings.
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And once again the free market decides....LOL....Must drive the political elites crazy....... 
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The refinery pays carbon tax on the natural gas used in the refining process, the natural gas they use to heat their buildings, carbon tax to deliver the parts and materials that they use to maintain the plant. They pay extra for contractors who charge for their vehicles and fuel, as well as to heat their buildings. The truckers pay carbon tax on the fuel they use in their trucks, and they pay more to have their trucks serviced , because the service providers pay carbon tax to heat their facility. The service station pays carbon tax to heat the building, and they pay more to have their pumps serviced and calibrated, because the people doing that pay carbon tax on their fuel, and to heat their buildings.
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Ouch. My head hurts!!!! 
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Vote in Vancouver Sun shut off the taps poll
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Kenney knows he can just sit back and wait. Every time someone fills their tank with fuel he gets a little less popular. The price in Vancouver is now in the high 170's. Maybe next week it will be in the low 180's. It's probably much more effective for the price to raise slowly as each time it reaches a record (weekly recently) it gets a ton of new attention and Horgan gets the screws tightened a little.
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Kenny should implement an export tax on all petroleum products sent from Alberta to B.C. He should call it the Carbon Export Tax.
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Kenny should implement an export tax on all petroleum products sent from Alberta to B.C. He should call it the Carbon Export Tax.
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He should tax all gas an oil that originates outside of Alberta, but uses pipelines to pass through Alberta. Natural Gas from Northern BC flowing to Chicago should either be taxed or a toll on the pipeline thats used through Alberta.
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Screw bc and quebec and build a pipeline to Churchill MB.
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Screw bc and quebec and build a pipeline to Churchill MB.
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Ya! Because icebound, shallow, seasonal harbours are the solution!
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Ya! Because icebound, shallow, seasonal harbours are the solution!
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But thanks to global warming that will soon be a none issue..Besides I do believe it is a deep harbor,
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Yup I agree. I would rather ship oil, grain, coal, LNG for 6 months out of the year than the 0 we are now. No BC or QC to say no. And make damn sure they don’t get any equalization payments once AB, SK and MB start to profit from it.
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Just came back from driving through Vancouver. Around midnight, a few gas stations dropped their prices by a couple of cents. Not sure if it was a regular practice, or some promotions... but they've immediately got loo-o-o-ong lineups! Could say I was pity for the poor folks in the lines... but I am not good liar. 
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Saw a FB post showing over $2.00/ litre.
And we still haven't done anything....
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Saw a FB post showing over $2.00/ litre.
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Ohhhhh.... if this is true, it puts a big smile on my face. I'm a BSc Ecology major, turned into a welder guy. I studied many environmental things and stuffs. The uneducated crap these protesters spew is absolute garbage. Reap what you sow IMO.. hope it hits $3 soon. Then $5. Hypocrites. We create some of the cleanest fossil fuels on the planet, with the highest safety standards, and reclamation is second to none. I have no sympathy for anyone sucking the Alberta teat while drinking their hippie grass juice, using their cell phone built with plastics and unethically mined rare earth minerals etc etc.
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As suspected, Alberta companies have dropped the amount of refined fuels being shipped through the existing pipeline.
The double speak coming out of this guys mouth is just outstanding. https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?cid=sm%...bnKsh1UyOC1EsU
However, all that being said, I am starting to see a road to a negotiated settlement.
Simple, BC wants "X" amount of refined fuel. Ok, you get that and we get the expanded pipe including Northern gateway. Horgan looks like he saves face, Alberta gets the pipeline. I think when it boils down it will be just that simple. The fight with the feds is another conversation.
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Ohhhhh.... if this is true, it puts a big smile on my face. I'm a BSc Ecology major, turned into a welder guy. I studied many environmental things and stuffs. The uneducated crap these protesters spew is absolute garbage. Reap what you sow IMO.. hope it hits $3 soon. Then $5. Hypocrites. We create some of the cleanest fossil fuels on the planet, with the highest safety standards, and reclamation is second to none. I have no sympathy for anyone sucking the Alberta teat while drinking their hippie grass juice, using their cell phone built with plastics and unethically mined rare earth minerals etc etc.
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