If you think we have it bad

[antlercarver]

I met and had several conversations with a man here recently from Ukraine. He comes here not being to speak the language, VERY little money, no connections and has to try make a living. He tells me he has 2 sons in the war and the older one is missing. He is very thankful to be here, no bombs and Russian missiles, pure freedom, with nice people. Working long hours started keeping bees, moving his hives around to areas where there are flowering crops and now sells honey.

[Big Grey Wolf]

Good example of someone seeing the 'glass half full'.

[bezzola]

I met some people from ukraine the other day at the lake and a couple painted the same picture and the others painted a different picture. But they sure a a nice moomba wake boat.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by bezzola

I met some people from ukraine the other day at the lake and a couple painted the same picture and the others painted a different picture. But they sure a a nice moomba wake boat.

That's more my experience as well.

In the OP I wonder who's land his bees are on.

[huntinstuff]

I know how this is gonna sound to some, but here I go anyways....

How in hell can you leave your country when your son is missing and the other one is fighting?

School me on the psychology behind that one because I completely fail to understand that abandonment mentality.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

I know how this is gonna sound to some, but here I go anyways....

How in hell can you leave your country when your son is missing and the other one is fighting?

School me on the psychology behind that one because I completely fail to understand that abandonment mentality.

First thing that crossed my mind too. If my son is there fighting or missing, I'm probably not bailing.

[Buckhead]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

I know how this is gonna sound to some, but here I go anyways....

How in hell can you leave your country when your son is missing and the other one is fighting?

School me on the psychology behind that one because I completely fail to understand that abandonment mentality.

Perhaps the sons sent the father away.

That’s what I would do if I was doing the fighting. No point in everyone ending up dead.

[esher]

He may not have a home anymore.

[58thecat]

That’s great that he is keeping busy but his mind is elsewhere with loved ones.
Yeah comparing what we have here to some others places and what others are enduring just makes me grateful.
Hope the best for this fella and his family.


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[W921]

There is a steady stream of people moving into my area. No water,no jobs that pay anything, they will never afford a house and there are no doctors. But they keep coming and all claim its better than where they came from. Calgary must suck hahaha! But also coming from everywhere else.

[MegaHorn]

I wonder how much he is getting paid to tell people how "bad" it is over there.
And im 100% Ukranian too. dont trust anything the MSM says

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

That's more my experience as well.

In the OP I wonder who's land his bees are on.

Same. Hearing a lot of conflicting statements.

[CBintheNorth]

I know several Ukrainians that recently arrived. The only bad thing they say about home is that there are no good paying jobs.

The Ukrainian gov't is currently spending A LOT of money on O&G exploration and production, I can tell you that for sure. Their economy is taking off.
Sparkle socks won't supply Europe with Energy. Instead he bankrupts us further by sending countless millions to Ukraine so they can gear up for it.
Great business model.
As soon as those left behind finish their war, most of the refugees here will return home to greener pastures.

[KGB]

Was at the friends house a few days ago and met with two families from Ukraine, they have been here for about six months. After asking them how are they doing etc, I was told flat out that they can’t wait to get back home because life sucks here big time and they don’t understand how can we live here like that… needless to say I was a bit surprised and asked them to explain. So they told me that they have way more opportunities to make money and do business back home or even in Europe than here and that we work way too much….Told me that as soon as the war ends there, there will be billions of dollars pouring in and tons of opportunities to make big money….
To each their own!

[Phil McCracken]

Now, Ukraine is probably one of the top money laundering country in the world.

Don't get me wrong...I have met many great ones in my lifetime. Prior to this. And we are still friends, and they say the same.

Just what has gone on the past while. Biden comes to mind.

Could be wrong though...

[chad66]

Originally Posted by Phil McCracken

Now, Ukraine is probably one of the top money laundering country in the world.

Don't get me wrong...I have met many great ones in my lifetime. Prior to this. And we are still friends, and they say the same.

Just what has gone on the past while. Biden comes to mind.

Could be wrong though...

Ukraine doesn’t even make the top ten in money laundering.

https://www.sanctionscanner.com/blog...-countries-251

[schleprock]

After googling it, I see that the average median salary in the Ukraine is $533 a month (half the population makes less and the other half makes more). Can easily see why the refugees find our cost of living extremely expensive.

[ak77]

At first i didn't give this thread a second thought, but as i was visiting the forum over the last few days it was slightly bothering me, and i couldn't pinpoint what was the problem... Until today...
I realized i really dislike when people say "if you think we/you/whatever have it bad, compare to ....".
When comparing one situation to another much worse situation this saying kinda equates in my mind to "**** up and enjoy what you have, because XXX have it so much worse". And it could be used as the "party lines" to justify chipping away the good for as long as there's really unfavorable situation to compare to... Until both equalize... And sheeple will stand and nod until the end, when it's too late

Why it's never "if you think you have it good, wait until you learn about/visit the XXX".

Sorry for the late night rumble...

[W921]

If they come to small town southern Alberta. There are no full time jobs but if they could get full time jobs a family of two would need about 4 jobs or 2 jobs if they share a house with another family.
They basically won't have access to health care but yey they will be paying into it because no doctors.
It makes no sense how these people can move here. I'm told they get federal Trudeau money. How much I don't know but if a business hires one the Feds pay half their wage or about $7 hourly. What other benefits they might get I don't know but our young people are all moving away for opportunity because they can't afford to live here and everyone else moving in.

[fishnamed]

Zero respect for any 20 or 30 something male here from the Ukraine, men stay and fight.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by ak77

At first i didn't give this thread a second thought, but as i was visiting the forum over the last few days it was slightly bothering me, and i couldn't pinpoint what was the problem... Until today...
I realized i really dislike when people say "if you think we/you/whatever have it bad, compare to ....".
When comparing one situation to another much worse situation this saying kinda equates in my mind to "**** up and enjoy what you have, because XXX have it so much worse". And it could be used as the "party lines" to justify chipping away the good for as long as there's really unfavorable situation to compare to... Until both equalize... And sheeple will stand and nod until the end, when it's too late

Why it's never "if you think you have it good, wait until you learn about/visit the XXX".

Sorry for the late night rumble...

Was thinking along the same lines.

[glen moa]

How are we doing compared to the us.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by ak77

I realized i really dislike when people say "if you think we/you/whatever have it bad, compare to ....".
When comparing one situation to another much worse situation....

I don't either, and Canada comes to mind every time I hear it.

I honestly believe we could be, by far, the best/greatest county in the world, booming economy, no income tax, a great health care and education system, etc. And you mention these things to some people, and it's, "Canada is awesome, just look at Haiti", or whatever. I don't get it, we could be better, but as long as we're a smidge better than Haiti, good enough?

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by ak77

At first i didn't give this thread a second thought, but as i was visiting the forum over the last few days it was slightly bothering me, and i couldn't pinpoint what was the problem... Until today...
I realized i really dislike when people say "if you think we/you/whatever have it bad, compare to ....".
When comparing one situation to another much worse situation this saying kinda equates in my mind to "**** up and enjoy what you have, because XXX have it so much worse". And it could be used as the "party lines" to justify chipping away the good for as long as there's really unfavorable situation to compare to... Until both equalize... And sheeple will stand and nod until the end, when it's too late

Why it's never "if you think you have it good, wait until you learn about/visit the XXX".

Sorry for the late night rumble...

You're not wrong.

Someone made a similar reference on the taxes thread. A small community was trying to justify their taxes going up with the Edmonton tax rate being much higher as a justification.
Some people are ok with anything as long as someone out there has it worse.
Those same people seem to also be hard done by if someone else has more than them.
Funny how that works.

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I don't either, and Canada comes to mind every time I hear it.

I honestly believe we could be, by far, the best/greatest county in the world, booming economy, no income tax, a great health care and education system, etc. And you mention these things to some people, and it's, "Canada is awesome, just look at Haiti", or whatever. I don't get it, we could be better, but as long as we're a smidge better than Haiti, good enough?

I have always wondered why were the only country in the world with golden goose resources that would rather keep them in the ground than use them to be all of the above.


Hopefully PP gets in and changes things up on the resource side for the better.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by ak77

At first i didn't give this thread a second thought, but as i was visiting the forum over the last few days it was slightly bothering me, and i couldn't pinpoint what was the problem... Until today...
I realized i really dislike when people say "if you think we/you/whatever have it bad, compare to ....".
When comparing one situation to another much worse situation this saying kinda equates in my mind to "**** up and enjoy what you have, because XXX have it so much worse". And it could be used as the "party lines" to justify chipping away the good for as long as there's really unfavorable situation to compare to... Until both equalize... And sheeple will stand and nod until the end, when it's too late

Why it's never "if you think you have it good, wait until you learn about/visit the XXX".

Sorry for the late night rumble...

My thoughts as well, people who talk like that are trying to make everyone feel good about our countries decline and the bar continually being set lower

[Fradaburidi]

Originally Posted by Sooner

Hopefully PP gets in and changes things up on the resource side for the better.

Hopefully. In any case my mother had a saying, not sure how good it's going to sound translated but it was going something like that: the change of masters the joy of fools.

[Drewski Canuck]

I have respect for the refugees who are here because they ended up in harm's way.

Cities like Mariopol are flattened. Plain and simple. The people who did get out have nothing, and that is why they are here. Alot of these refugees speak English or are trying hard to learn, have work skills and will contribute to our economy, accept our culture and laws, and benefit Canada.

Then there are the Economic Refugees from Syria. They left because they were told that Germany would give them a house and a car. They have little to no work skills and poor english / french. They do not accept women's rights, Western Law, and usually support themselves by committing crime.

The fact that any refugee wants to go back to their home country is telling because they did not leave because they wanted to. Those are true refugees. Hopefully some Ukrainian Refugees decide to stay. They are a benefit to Canada.

Drewski

[Fradaburidi]

Refugees that want to return home don't cross the ocean.

If Ukraine is destroyed how come they competed in Olympics and Euro? Some parts are destroyed but most not.

There are Ukrainian refugees from France and Western Europe and they are probably the majority of the ones that speak English.

There are people that take advantage of anything, not only Ukrainians.

Young blonde Ukrainian women will benefit the most to Canada.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Fradaburidi

Refugees that want to return home don't cross the ocean.

If Ukraine is destroyed how come they competed in Olympics and Euro? Some parts are destroyed but most not.

There are Ukrainian refugees from France and Western Europe and they are probably the majority of the ones that speak English.

There are people that take advantage of anything, not only Ukrainians.

Young blonde Ukrainian women will benefit the most to Canada.

That is actually absolutely correct! I have friends whose relatives are still in Kiev and have no desire to leave! They said that the life is as usual. My friends here are pretty well off and can easily support their family members who are in Kiev but those do not want to move!
As for the blond Ukrainian women… Oh man you have no idea what are you getting yourself into, lol!