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Civil unrest. Hm?
Bc's affidavit.
“The affidavit goes on to say that British Columbia cannot replace that supply from viable sources,” the decision reads. “It says that reductions in supply from Alberta will cause shortages in British Columbia and that the result could be increased prices, lack of supply and civil unrest in British Columbia.”
Alberta should sell for export all the oil that goes thru existing pipe line. If BC wants oil, gas and diesel fuel, then let them finish and pay for new pipe line. I would say, we can finish pipe line #2 and let BC to build pipe line #3.
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Why, that sounds like too much common sense. It will never work....
The professional protesters just couldn't abide with that.
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02-25-2019, 10:50 PM
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Unfortunately Alberta doesn’t own that pipe
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02-25-2019, 10:52 PM
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Ya but we own the oil. How will the protestors fly to protest carbon emissions if they can’t afford the fuel?
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02-25-2019, 11:12 PM
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Ya but we own the oil. How will the protestors fly to protest carbon emissions if they can’t afford the fuel?
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Unicorns have wings, don't they? Just got to feed them skittles....
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02-26-2019, 08:58 AM
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BC is crapping their drawers, they know if Kennedy wins he’s not going to back down. They want a federal law to prevent the pipes getting shut off....that says a lot.
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02-26-2019, 09:14 AM
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BC is crapping their drawers, they know if Kennedy wins he’s not going to back down. They want a federal law to prevent the pipes getting shut off....that says a lot.
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Who's this Kennedy person? 
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02-26-2019, 09:40 AM
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BC MP Kennedy Stewart?
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02-26-2019, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Iskra
Bc's affidavit.
“The affidavit goes on to say that British Columbia cannot replace that supply from viable sources,” the decision reads. “It says that reductions in supply from Alberta will cause shortages in British Columbia and that the result could be increased prices, lack of supply and civil unrest in British Columbia.”
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Do you have a link to the full article where this statement came from? I would like to ready it.
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02-26-2019, 10:23 AM
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We should just shut down the existing pipeline and let BC import all of their oil from elsewhere. When they can prove that their fleet of diesel ferries aren't disturbing the killer whales, and Victoria dumping their raw sewage into the ocean isn't harming anything - then we'll consider opening the taps.
Move on Keystone, ship all of our oil south to people who want it, and adjust our provincial economy to live with the discounted oil.
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02-26-2019, 11:47 AM
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Don't the companies that actually extract the product to sell in order to make money have to want to not sell said product? What controls does Alberta have in all this. I admit this is all a fun idea but doesn't seem based in any reality.
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02-26-2019, 11:56 AM
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So shut off the oil and further kill what little is left of our oil companies. Must make sense because somebody said it. Sheesh!!!! 
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02-26-2019, 12:49 PM
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Don't the companies that actually extract the product to sell in order to make money have to want to not sell said product? What controls does Alberta have in all this. I admit this is all a fun idea but doesn't seem based in any reality.
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I believe there needs to be an export permit for each batch of product that gets shipped through the pipeline. Seems that a good move would be to sign off on all export product and let permits for the batches of locally used product sit on the desk....don't halt, just be a little slow with it.
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I believe there needs to be an export permit for each batch of product that gets shipped through the pipeline. Seems that a good move would be to sign off on all export product and let permits for the batches of locally used product sit on the desk....don't halt, just be a little slow with it.
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That makes sense if it was done, I wonder if any of the companies would be willing? As long as money is being made but then the gas companies would probably have a fit as the consumers would lose it on them.
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02-26-2019, 05:05 PM
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Do you have a link to the full article where this statement came from? I would like to ready it.
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I thing it was in the Edmonton Journal yesterday. Article was about BC going to court in Calgary to prevent Alberta from restricting oil supply. Case was thrown out.
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We can’t expect the oil companies Tomlose money bY not shipping their product.
As well it would create a glut of it. Many oil companies are making good money as they’ve reduced costs and pay little or no royalties, it’s easy to make money on something you got for free.
I’d jump with glee to see the taps shut off for a few days of maintenance as would we all?
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02-26-2019, 05:28 PM
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We can’t expect the oil companies Tomlose money bY not shipping their product.
As well it would create a glut of it. Many oil companies are making good money as they’ve reduced costs and pay little or no royalties, it’s easy to make money on something you got for free.
I’d jump with glee to see the taps shut off for a few days of maintenance as would we all?
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Willing to bet you aren’t in the oil industry if you think companies get it for free. Easy to make money. Lol. You should start a company if it’s that simple. If I charge little taxes on your restaurant does that make the money easy? Or do you still have to buy groceries, employ people and pay rent and have customers?
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02-26-2019, 06:40 PM
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Willing to bet you aren’t in the oil industry if you think companies get it for free. Easy to make money. Lol. You should start a company if it’s that simple. If I charge little taxes on your restaurant does that make the money easy? Or do you still have to buy groceries, employ people and pay rent and have customers?
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Leave out the grocery part....that’s the same as oil royalties right now
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02-26-2019, 06:50 PM
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Leave out the grocery part....that’s the same as oil royalties right now
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You better stick to what you do as you have no clue. If you can find me a magic reservoir with free oil and no royalties and no capital cost you will be a billionaire. Royalties are only ever low on new highly capital intensive projects. Properties that only are developed because of this incentive. Don’t worry though as royalties jump to 15-20% once payout occurs. In the meantime thousands will have jobs and pay taxes and trickle down far enough provide you with your job.
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Leave out the grocery part....that’s the same as oil royalties right now
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I tell ya what. You put up the cash the cover the ARO and I will give you 20 free wells! Heck of a deal. Make money hand over fist. 
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02-26-2019, 09:06 PM
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02-27-2019, 03:27 PM
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So shut off the oil and further kill what little is left of our oil companies. Must make sense because somebody said it. Sheesh!!!! |
It's called Cutting Off Your Nose To Spite Your Face.
While I (among many) understand the angst in Alberta at this juncture, directing that towards the common folk of BC is completely misguided IMHO. The current coalition only wiggled in due to sneaky underhanded tactics, and neither party had sufficient votes to become the provincial leaders. Most who live outside of the lower mainland simply detest this government, their policies, and what they are up to. That btw, includes a hell of a lot of us on the Island too. Most in fact.
They will self destruct in time.
Ways and methods to bring this about are being worked on daily.
I understand it is tough, however I would ask for just a little more patience while we try to get our affairs in order. A hell of a lot of us are on your side, and certainly not deserving of the type of anger being sent our way.
Really.
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It's called Cutting Off Your Nose To Spite Your Face.
While I (among many) understand the angst in Alberta at this juncture, directing that towards the common folk of BC is completely misguided IMHO. The current coalition only wiggled in due to sneaky underhanded tactics, and neither party had sufficient votes to become the provincial leaders. Most who live outside of the lower mainland simply detest this government, their policies, and what they are up to. That btw, includes a hell of a lot of us on the Island too. Most in fact.
They will self destruct in time.
Ways and methods to bring this about are being worked on daily.
I understand it is tough, however I would ask for just a little more patience while we try to get our affairs in order. A hell of a lot of us are on your side, and certainly not deserving of the type of anger being sent our way.
Really.
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Well said Nog !!
As a former Albertan, and now an Islander (I was transferred to the island with my job), I totally detest the current B.C. government. As Nog said, the majority of us are on your side.
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It's called Cutting Off Your Nose To Spite Your Face.
While I (among many) understand the angst in Alberta at this juncture, directing that towards the common folk of BC is completely misguided IMHO. The current coalition only wiggled in due to sneaky underhanded tactics, and neither party had sufficient votes to become the provincial leaders. Most who live outside of the lower mainland simply detest this government, their policies, and what they are up to. That btw, includes a hell of a lot of us on the Island too. Most in fact.
They will self destruct in time.
Ways and methods to bring this about are being worked on daily.
I understand it is tough, however I would ask for just a little more patience while we try to get our affairs in order. A hell of a lot of us are on your side, and certainly not deserving of the type of anger being sent our way.
Really.
Cheers,
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A bye election win the other day could have helped a little
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A bye election win the other day could have helped a little |
I guess most of them are not on "our" side. 
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That was a federal by-election, not a provincial by-election.
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That was a federal by-election, not a provincial by-election.
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Sorry, No!
It was a huge PROVINCIAL bye election that would have changed the balance of power in the entire province. A bye election won by a BC NDP candidate ON THE ISLAND (Nanaimo)
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Alberta doesn't have to cut off the oil
Just add a .50 a litre export royalty for refined product going to BC
Justify it by saying that the money will go to pay for rail cars...
Yep they can go to court
Probably even get an injunction
But they need to get their nuts squeezed a little, see if any lights go on
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Sorry, No!
It was a huge PROVINCIAL bye election that would have changed the balance of power in the entire province. A bye election won by a BC NDP candidate ON THE ISLAND (Nanaimo)
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My apologies - I thought you were referring to the recent election this past week, not the Nanaimo by-election on January 30th.
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