Hunting on Reserve land? Elaborate please!

[James_B]

Just curious if us white folk are allowed to hunt on indian reserve land if we have permission on their land in the reserve if we are accompanied by them? I don't see a problem.

[flyguyd]

You need a permit from the band to hunt on the rez i believe

[Winch101]

I know you can buy a permit from the band office ....

$300 to $500.00 depending on the reserve....

[Payne 17]

the price is not that expensive i talik with a guy from the rez he said more like under50 dollers

[Pudelpointer]

How this is dealt with is highly variable, with different band governments dealing with it (or not) in different ways. There is no clear answers except from the administration of the reserve you are referring to.

I know of very few Nations that have a "permit" system set up, and those few have changed the rules too often to make any concrete statements.

Many band members treat reserve lands as "private lands", with same rules for access as off reserve lands; you need permission from the "landowner". I have been invited to hunt on a number of reserves, both accompanied and not. I never have because, to me, unless there are clear rules about access, I don't want the invitee to get in trouble (or myself for that matter). I know more then a couple guys who do hunt on different reserves, but with the permission of those who "own" the land, not any official permit. I may accept an invite one day, but haven't so far.

My question for the OP is: are you going to use/cancel your AB species license? Or, will you accept the premise that you don't need a provincial license because you are not hunting on provincial land? And if you don't believe you should use your provincial license and tags, where are you going to get a license to allow you to possess the animal once you leave the reserve? Remember, all wildlife belongs to the "Crown" and you are only allowed to be in possession of it under authority of a legal permit or license.

[James_B]

So even if he owns his own land on the res, you sill need a permit on private property? it would make sense that you should require a permit if you You access public land within the res that all natives can use. No? So public or private land within res you need a permit? I just don't get that with private land is private land so if you are allowed access and being accompanied by them you still need a permit. Crazy

Correct me if I wrong thanks

After just reading the last post I would
Just use my general wt tag and tag it like I would do any other place. Since I'm not status Indian the rules still apply to me. I would never shoot anything I didn't have a tag for on reserve land or off and that I didn't have permission for. The land owner gave me permission but am leery rigt now because I don't want to get anyone in trouble. So in my eyes I would suspect I am 100% legal and I have nothing to worry about.

[Pudelpointer]

Originally Posted by James_B

So even if he owns his own land on the res, you sill need a permit on private property? it would make sense that you should require a permit if you You access public land within the res that all natives can use. No? So public or private land within res you need a permit? I just don't get that with private land is private land so if you are allowed access and being accompanied by them you still need a permit. Crazy

Correct me if I wrong thanks

Legally there is no such thing as "private land" on reserve..... any reserve. There are some reserves that have leases, but the land is still reserve land. "Private lands" on reserve are not "fee simple" or "deeded" lands, they are assigned for a specific family or individual's use by (usually) a Band Council Resolution (BCR). The problem with BCRs, is they are often rescinded, voided or ignored by subsequent Band Councils.


To be clearer, the "owner" you refer to doesn't own it, he lives on it and uses it with the permission of Band Council. Reserve residents often state that a piece of land and associated buildings belong to them, but the sad truth is they are at the mercy of the current Band Council. People very rarely lose their homes to the whims of Band Councils, but it does happen.

If anyone knows of a different legal situation on any reserve, I would be very interested to hear about it.

[SmokinJoe]

Every reserve is different. I have only heard of trespass permits in the states, on my reservation you have to be accompanied by a local outfitter with a BCR stating permission to hunt those lands. There are two outfitters here, and they have agreements pertaining to territory. As far as hunting on someone's personal property on the rez, I'm gonna strongly recommend that you not hunt in someone's pasture without asking permission. The results will not be favorable.

[James_B]

There is only one piece of property that I have permission to and that is the only spot that I want on. It is my bro-inlaws grandpas land. It is in the blood reserve. I don't dare go into other pieces, I don't want the consequences. There should be nothing wrong if I am on his place only with him? I will still check into a permit to see if it is required or not.

[walking buffalo]

James,

As you have learned here, each Nation has their own rules.

The Blood Nation did require a firearm discharge permit in the past. They may not require this anymore. One suggestion is to have your Bro in-law confirm with the Band office whether or not a permit is required for you to hunt there.


I have hunted on several southern Reservations. Know the rules, follow the rules, and consider this advice.

Give offerings to the Land and Animals before and after the hunt.

Remember the Elders. As a young hunter, it is your duty to share with those who cannot hunt for themselves.

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by James_B

Just curious if us white folk are allowed to hunt on indian reserve land if we have permission on their land in the reserve if we are accompanied by them? I don't see a problem.

There was no problem for me on the Blood or the Peigan, down your way. I was always with a band member and resident and knew quite a few others, so felt comfortable. As WB says, they may have formalized things nowadays.

Regardless what permissions you get, I'd want to be with a resident. There used to be some cranky types on both of those reserves that were, let's say.... "anti-white", and there would be less chance of a hassle if your white skin had a brown partner.

There used to be lot of deer and a lot of coyotes. Good luck.

[James_B]

Thanks for all your info. So very informative!

[omega50]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

James,

As you have learned here, each Nation has their own rules.

The Blood Nation did require a firearm discharge permit in the past. They may not require this anymore. One suggestion is to have your Bro in-law confirm with the Band office whether or not a permit is required for you to hunt there.


I have hunted on several southern Reservations. Know the rules, follow the rules, and consider this advice.

Give offerings to the Land and Animals before and after the hunt.

Remember the Elders. As a young hunter, it is your duty to share with those who cannot hunt for themselves.

That includes a tin of tabacco.

[James_B]

When you say give offerings to the land and animals before and after the shot - what do you exactly mean? Could you give me a example?

[Cal]

Originally Posted by James_B

When you say give offerings to the land and animals before and after the shot - what do you exactly mean? Could you give me a example?

LOL, in my area that means giving the strange native guy in the back seat his Big Bear once your moose is down.

Probably going to pizz sombody off with that but I couldnt resist, offering to the land? The reserves you guys live near must be vastly different than the ones I live near.

[fishtank]

actually i was invited to a hunt in the reserve land, but i pass up on it cause iam not familiar with the regulation in regard to the natives and their hunting rights. He told me i can shoot anything as long as i am with him : that didn't sound too convincing .

[wildcat111]

i have never hunted on the reserves but i have worked on them in many occasions on the rigs, even with proper paper work we were always threatened and a few times not allowed on the reserve to do crew change, they police there own land and everyone there has a different view. i recommend finding another place to hunt. its scary enough just trying to work on them.

[Pudelpointer]

There is nothing "scary" about working on reserves in AB. I have literally been to, and worked on, every reserve (except two) in Alberta.

Be friendly and respectful and you will most likely be treated likewise. If you feel "out of place"... well maybe you are feeling how they feel when they leave the reserve.

Anyway, back to the OP's questions: Blood used to have a permit system in place for bird hunters and fishermen (IIRC), but no longer does. AFAIK there is only one individual on reserve that has the blessing of Chief and Council (C&C) to guide non-Blood members on reserve.

Officially, without permission of C&C, you and the member are breaking the rules. In practicality, the chances of you having a problem if you are accompanied by the "landowner" are pretty slim. As I said earlier, I have been invited numerous times, and when I asked about what others will think of me being out there have been told "No problem, you'll be with me."

I have never worried about any conflict with others in the field, more the politics of the situation.

[wheels113]

what zone would you follow rules for 108 110 300 due to the fact the blood reserve borders at least 3 hunting zones ??? maybe contacting fish and wildlife first may be idea. jmho

[Cree Hunter]

Originally Posted by Cal

LOL, in my area that means giving the strange native guy in the back seat his Big Bear once your moose is down.

Probably going to pizz sombody off with that but I couldnt resist, offering to the land? The reserves you guys live near must be vastly different than the ones I live near.

Yes because us Injuns need firewater right???? Ignorant FOOL!

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by Cree Hunter

Yes because us Injuns need firewater right???? Ignorant FOOL!

Dang.......that was funny!

[James_B]

Yes 110. So no Sunday hunting for me and no shooting does on a general tag. I'm gonna take him up on his offer next year and try to fill the freezer. That's granted I will be holding a permit if its required. Nothing but the right way or nothing at all.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by wheels113

what zone would you follow rules for 108 110 300 due to the fact the blood reserve borders at least 3 hunting zones ??? maybe contacting fish and wildlife first may be idea. jmho

Yes, contact AF&W, and ask for the answer in writing.


Indian Reservations are NOT part of any WMU.

Alberta Wildlife Regulations Do Not apply. This is Federal jurisdiction.



The following is just an opinion, you will not find this in any legislation.

Alberta hunting licences are used as an Import permit in order to bring the animal "into" Alberta. Alberta will accept a general licence for a species as being valid as an import permit during any open General season provincewide for that species and sex.





James,

Offerings include many items, the most common being tobacco. The concept of giving an offering is to ensure a "balance". You are asking Nature to give of itself to you. You are keeping the balance by giving of yourself. The tobacco is symbolic.

Learning the culture of those whose land you hunt on will help in keeping the priviledge, while earning respect with the locals.

[Sneeze]

My understanding of the blood reserve policy is you will need to get a permit from the band office and pay for the services of a resident guide. The permit is not very expensive.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

My understanding of the blood reserve policy is you will need to get a permit from the band office and pay for the services of a resident guide. The permit is not very expensive.

You actually have to PAY FOR a permit to hunt on a reserve?

[Sneeze]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

You actually have to PAY FOR a permit to hunt on a reserve?

Yes, my understanding of Blood Reserve policy is that if you are not an status indian that you must pay for a permit to hunt on Blood Reserve lands.

Or did you mean something else by your question?

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

Yes, my understanding of Blood Reserve policy is that if you are not an status indian that you must pay for a permit to hunt on Blood Reserve lands.

Or did you mean something else by your question?

Nope, that was my question.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Cree Hunter

Yes because us Injuns need firewater right???? Ignorant FOOL!

Lol nope, just cause Big Bears are usualy the best way to get shady characters in general to help you out.

Actualy I have heard that the land and animal gods prefer Keiths Red. Anyone hunting in my area can drop a case off at my house and I'll, errr, make sure they get it. Just cause this whiteboy is getting low on firewater