What a waste: good read on how homeless industry works

[gunluvr]

The homeless industrial complex

https://flip.it/LOfAo9
If you can ignore the usual "outrage of the day" complaints, here's a good read about how lowlife dirtbags make enormous profit from the homeless situation. This is from the US but no doubt works/has worked the same in Canada.

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[fishtank]

I think there’s one about non profit as well like goodwill and value village …

[Ormachek]

Originally Posted by fishtank

I think there’s one about non profit as well like goodwill and value village …

Value village is a for profit business.....it says so right on the side of the building.

[Pheasantchaser]

I will question the source of the article.

Having said that, there will always be homeless people.

I work in that field. It's a losing battle, day after day.

[Drewski Canuck]

I agree that there is corruption running rampant in the not for profit industries, such as elder housing, drug recovery treatment, and housing for the homeless.

These enterprises see their executives earn very substantial income while tapping the well intentioned people donating money, as well as government grants. In the US there are many hospitals which have extremely well paid executive, who do not own the enterprise, but earn like they do. What they control is the Board of Directors who usually are well intentioned volunteers.

The Fund Raising Industry is equally guilty as often less than 10 % of donations actually is applied to the cause the money is raised for. Companies get 25 % commission just for going out and marketing the cause for donations. Then the Executive taps off the next part, followed by all the "overhead". Was it the WE Foundation that rented their Building from the Social Justice Entrepeneurs who ran the WE Foundation? Correct me if I am wrong.

The Edmonton Social Justice Housing For the Homeless program sees a 15 % success rate for putting a roof over the heads of their Clients. More often the apartment, house, Condo, etc is trashed by the Clients and their friends who party the place into the ground until they leave to go back on the streets. In one case I am aware of, the Landlord had $26,000 in damages paid by Edmonton Housing for the Homeless because of the Client.

Drewski

[Grizzly Adams1]

One could argue a lot of charities in other fields, including internationals, are no better.

Grizz

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Ormachek

Value village is a for profit business.....it says so right on the side of the building.

A good reason not to support them.

Grizz

[Wes_G]

Reminds me of what happened here in Lethbridge when the original safe injection site operator was audited and removed.

The numbers they were coming up with for usage to justify their funding was astronomical. We had the most patronized site in North America according to them. Then the gov't stepped in and took over and found that the real numbers were not even 1/4 of what was being reported. After the audit there was no criminal wrong doing found.

[barbless]

Originally Posted by Wes_G

Reminds me of what happened here in Lethbridge when the original safe injection site operator was audited and removed.

The numbers they were coming up with for usage to justify their funding was astronomical. We had the most patronized site in North America according to them. Then the gov't stepped in and took over and found that the real numbers were not even 1/4 of what was being reported. After the audit there was no criminal wrong doing found.

Go figure no wrongdoing was found. Wonder which politician gotta kick back? Good thing there is no corruption at the lower levels!!!

[Pheasantchaser]

Very interesting comments.

I can assure you no "homeless foundation" operating in the city of Calgary is fleecing taxpayers. My co-workers and I work well below our pay scale in the private (O&G) market. Please believe me when I say no one is getting rich.

Yeah, you may not agree where your tax dollars are spent...shocking, I know.

Again, I question the source of the article. There is an issue of bias.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Pheasantchaser

Very interesting comments.

I can assure you no "homeless foundation" operating in the city of Calgary is fleecing taxpayers. My co-workers and I work well below our pay scale in the private (O&G) market. Please believe me when I say no one is getting rich.

Yeah, you may not agree where your tax dollars are spent...shocking, I know.

Again, I question the source of the article. There is an issue of bias.

You're not solving the problem either and in the mean time , some areas of our cities have become no go areas for an increasing number of citizens.

Grizz

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

A good reason not to support them.

Grizz

What’s the reason to not support them exactly? Because they are a business that wants to profit? Or because they’re a business that thinks a circular economy on some items is better than one and done and into the landfill and off to more consumerism?

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by Pheasantchaser

I will question the source of the article.

Having said that, there will always be homeless people.

I work in that field. It's a losing battle, day after day.

The story within the article, of real estate developer Shiena Levin, and homeless shelter director Victor Rivera is documented in filings from Manhattan district court.
The undertakings of these two crooks is undisputable.
What's to question? That this hasn't happened outside New York city? That well meaning donors and politicians aren't routinely fleeced by unscrupulous manipulators?
Where there's loose money, there's always crooks.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Or because they’re a business that thinks a circular economy on some items is better than one and done and into the landfill and off to more consumerism?

This is actually one of the main reasons that I donate/shop there.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

A good reason not to support them.

Grizz

Pick your poison...non-profits haven't proven themselves any more accountable than for-profit charities. Non-profit is a manipulative moniker much like "green" and "inclusive", the kind of hypocritical drivel that spills out of the mouths of "progressives".

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

Pick your poison...non-profits haven't proven themselves any more accountable than for-profit charities. Non-profit is a manipulative moniker much like "green" and "inclusive", the kind of hypocritical drivel that spills out of the mouths of "progressives".

There are charities out there that operate efficiently and a high percentage of their donations go to support their cause. UN charity organizations on the other hand are noted for the shiny new Land Rovers they drive.

Grizz

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

This is actually one of the main reasons that I donate/shop there.

Well it seems a sensible one to me. Just trying to find some reason from someone to refuse to shop there for that reason.

[Pheasantchaser]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

You're not solving the problem either and in the mean time , some areas of our cities have become no go areas for an increasing number of citizens.

Grizz

Friend, correct me if I am wrong: I stated there will always be homeless people, no one in the field will tell you otherwise. Simply, an unsolvable problem, unless you can solve the problems of mental health issues and addiction...please be my guest.

The "no go areas" is nothing more than a Strawman argument: I simply didn't say that I support such a ridiculous notion. Personally, I think LEO's need to play a much bigger role in the issue.

Again, no organisation is getting rich in this field. Far from it.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

A good reason not to support them.

Grizz

Do you only support not for profit businesses? How strange.

[Pheasantchaser]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

The story within the article, of real estate developer Shiena Levin, and homeless shelter director Victor Rivera is documented in filings from Manhattan district court.
The undertakings of these two crooks is undisputable.
What's to question? That this hasn't happened outside New York city? That well meaning donors and politicians aren't routinely fleeced by unscrupulous manipulators?
Where there's loose money, there's always crooks.

I won't argue against "where there's loose money, there's always crooks."

Having said that, no offence to anyone, taking this example and that of the consumption site in Lethbridge, is incredibly simple-minded.

You might be very surprised how quickly "normal" people/families become homeless. Tradesmen with tons of experience, professionals with degrees in engineering and business, teachers, nurses, people running a successful business for decades...

Again, you may not agree where your tax money is spent (I do not). And I'll never tell anyone how to spend their disposable income.

Homelessness, like addiction and mental health issues, is not a character flaw. Does this mean you owe them anything? Absolutely not. Should they be allowed to run rampant on the streets? Absolutely not.

Hopefully, food for thought.

Cheers.

[bezzola]

I knew a guy that worked at edmonton people in need its a no profit. I can tell you first hand that there is shadyness in nonprofit.

I also had a brother inlaw that was homeless just because he didn’t like to work got all his rap for free from organizations all the while not paying his child support. So yes I believe homelessness will never be solved.

[Bushrat]

The more we hug, cater and coddle them the more there are.