300 weatherby mag jamming

[Alberta Bigbore]

Was shooting tonight. No issues shooting weatherby loaded ballistic tips 180gr. No problem shooting hornady loaded eldx 200gr.. but nosler loaded 180 nosler accubonds.....they........ Shot the lights out, but jammed after every shot. I could stagger nosler for hornady for weatheby brass loads.. and the nosler brass jammed each time.

The bottom of the case was shaved slighty and almost scrape marks a the top of the empty , bolt handle was very hard to lift and had to give a bit of gas to pull it back.


Any thoughts?

[catnthehat]

Sounds like too much pressure for the Accubonds , maybe because the Accubond has a different profile , try backing off the powder charge a bit for them,or maybe a different seating depth.
Cat

[-JR-]

Come on Alberta Bigbore ! You know the answer to that question.
You seen the flatten primer ! Every different shell brand or powder or amount or bullet brand or style or even primer can change the pressure ,even how deep you seat the bullet makes a difference .

I think you posted this because you just did not have 4 test loads you were testing , but maybe you loaded 100 rounds and then you said f.u. c. k. what did I do !

[elkhunter11]

Too much pressure, I have seen it before with 300 Weatherby brand factory loads. And the brass will likely be scrap because of loose primer pockets. If you have one round that does this be careful, two rounds, stop shooting them.

[fps plus]

Difference in brass volume and or softness and possible bullet profile and or hardness = pressure changes .

As they say “ keep brass separated “.

[Pathfinder76]

Are these factory loads or handloaded?

[Alberta Bigbore]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Are these factory loads or handloaded?

Factories

[Big Lou]

In my own firsthand experience, Nosler factory ammo has been on the hotter end in the spectrum. I’ve shot all three brands mentioned at one point or another. I’ve never encountered anything resembling over pressure with Hornady or Weatherby. Nosler - 3 of 4 rifles exhibited stiff bolt lift and flat primers. 300 and 257 Bee, 35 Whelen and 28 Nosler. The Whelen was the only Nosler ammo that I didn’t find to be overly spicy. Four different rifles from three manufacturers. I shoot very little factory ammunition anymore but, for the price of brass these days, if I were to buy any factory ammo, I’d be wanting to retain good usable brass after one firing.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

Factories

You will just have to quit using it.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

Factories

I didn't realize it was factory ammo- in that case, I concour with Pathfinder- don't use it!
Cat

[Alberta Bigbore]

I had gotten a few rounds fromma forum member and he said the chronograph out of his weatherbys with the Nosler factory loaded accubonds were running hot. Sucks though. As was they were shooting well under sub moa. 😪😭

[fps plus]

You can try scrubbing the bore extremely well and trying them again . It’s possible a clean bore may make enough of a difference .

[elkhunter11]

What was the temperature when you fired them? Odds are the situation will worsen if you fire them on a warmer day.

[Alberta Bigbore]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

What was the temperature when you fired them? Odds are the situation will worsen if you fire them on a warmer day.

Think i was 15 degrees outside yesterday. The hornady and weatherby brand had zero issue ejecting

[birdseye]

we had the same issue during load development in a 338 Rum,never had issues with any mark V, is there a diff in OAL between the brands,Ive heard of primers popping out before ever having a stuck or stiff bolt in weatherbys.The prob in the rum dev was OAL,maybe pull a bullet and weigh the powder and compare it to what the load manual says

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by birdseye

we had the same issue during load development in a 338 Rum,never had issues with any mark V, is there a diff in OAL between the brands,Ive heard of primers popping out before ever having a stuck or stiff bolt in weatherbys.The prob in the rum dev was OAL,maybe pull a bullet and weigh the powder and compare it to what the load manual says

The OP was using factory ammo not hand loads, pulling a bullet and weighing the factory charge won't tell him anything .
Cat

[Pathfinder76]

I’m not trying to be rude or flippant at all. But this is pretty run of the mill stuff. Move on to another option. This isn’t weird or uncommon. It’s pretty rudimentary. A nothing burger as they say.

[birdseye]

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The OP was using factory ammo not hand loads, pulling a bullet and weighing the factory charge won't tell him anything .
Cat

I disagree on not telling him anything Cat,even factory loads can be loaded hot to very hot,Id pull one just to be on the sfse side.My friend had some factory Hornady superformance SST loads in 270 cal way above manual specs.Had issues ejecting in his semi auto 🤷*♂️

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by birdseye

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The OP was using factory ammo not hand loads, pulling a bullet and weighing the factory charge won't tell him anything .
Cat

I disagree on not telling him anything Cat,even factory loads can be loaded hot to very hot,Id pull one just to be on the sfse side.My friend had some factory Hornady superformance SST loads in 270 cal way above manual specs.Had issues ejecting in his semi auto 🤷*♂️

Cat is 100% correct, pulling a bullet, and weighing the powder charge is meaningless unless you know exactly what powder is being used. And their is no way to determine exactly what powder is used, because the manufacturers won't tell you and many of the powders that they use are blends that we won't find data for.

[6.5 shooter]

Bought some 7mm-08 fusion factory rounds WAY over powered also have a .22 Hornet (Walter) that will shoot PPU factory rounds all day long, zero issues, load up Hornady and the smoke will rise, so it can happen. Also silver brass vs brass brass can also cause issues, harder brass, softer brass etc. Some companies like Nosler, Rem, Winchester and a few others in the reloading world are known for having softer brass. Just sell or trade the ammo, it is not worth the risk to you or your rifle.

[birdseye]

Cat is 100% correct, pulling a bullet, and weighing the powder charge is meaningless unless you know exactly what powder is being used. And their is no way to determine exactly what powder is used, because the manufacturers won't tell you and many of the powders that they use are blends that we won't find data for.
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Only accurate
Its not rocket science,if you can pull a loaded round and weigh the charge can tell you if it isand how much it is over any listed weights in the manual.Id deff check it ever for peace of mind,then depending on results email the manufacturer or at least stop using the ammo all together.But by all means you can not weigh it and keep shooting it,best if luck.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by birdseye

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Its not rocket science,if you can pull a loaded round and weigh the charge can tell you if it isand how much it is over any listed weights in the manual.Id deff check it ever for peace of mind,then depending on results email the manufacturer or at least stop using the ammo all together.But by all means you can not weigh it and keep shooting it,best if luck.

The only thing weighing a factory charge will tell you is the weight of the particular powder the manufacturer used in that lot of powder , that's it.
Conoaring the weight to any load book will tell you nothing really, as the particular lots numbers of powders that are used in mass producing ammo are often completly different than what are sold to hand loaders .
Having relatives in the industry in ammunition manufacturing and wholesale powder distributing taught me many things over the years about cannister, bulk, and retail powders as well as the manufacturing processes themselves.
Many loading systems in fact cannot be replicc ated by home hand loaders , the type used for Hornady's Superperformace ammo is one for example.
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by birdseye

Cat is 100% correct, pulling a bullet, and weighing the powder charge is meaningless unless you know exactly what powder is being used. And their is no way to determine exactly what powder is used, because the manufacturers won't tell you and many of the powders that they use are blends that we won't find data for.
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Only accurate
Its not rocket science,if you can pull a loaded round and




weigh the charge can tell you if it isand how much it is over any listed weights in the manual.Id deff check it ever for peace of mind,then depending on results email the manufacturer or at least stop using the ammo all together.But by all means you can not weigh it and keep shooting it,best if luck.

Weighing the powder charge has nothing to do with science, it is a total waste of time, without knowing exactly what powder you are weighing. You can't compare the charge weight to any data, and determine anything, without knowing which powder you are dealing with. A quick look at the Nosler data for 180gr bullets, in the 300wby, shows the maximum charge weight varies by 14.5gr depending on the specific powder.

[birdseye]

Well if the powder charge weight is significantly higher then anything in any of my loading maunalls,one could prob determine you are dealing with a very hot and or unsafe load just from the %.Then deciding if it is even safe to bother with,then fig out what options are availible,like i also comented the dimensioms of the case to start with,and what if any pressure signs are on the case.But i get the just of the A/o senior members if you have not done it it can not be done.Ive never had or known anyone to have bolt stiffness before the primer pockets have blown out first.Im sure you have unlimited knoledge by seeing your post count,I cant even emagine how much time it would take to accumulate that amount of posts Elk wow

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by birdseye

Well if the powder charge weight is significantly higher then anything in any of my loading maunalls,one could prob determine you are dealing with a very hot and or unsafe load just from the %.

Just to give an examole , in the Lee book , the max load for for a 300 Weatherby 180 grain Barnes using A-XMR-3100 is 11 grains lower than the load listed for ACCUR8700, and that is from Lee's second edition.
There is alo a substations velocity difference as well as lower pressure for the heavier weight load .
Factory ammo is also crimped which would also add pressure and hand loads rarely are .
Cat

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by birdseye

Well if the powder charge weight is significantly higher then anything in any of my loading maunalls,one could prob determine you are dealing with a very hot and or unsafe load just from the %.Then deciding if it is even safe to bother with,then fig out what options are availible,like i also comented the dimensioms of the case to start with,and what if any pressure signs are on the case.But i get the just of the A/o senior members if you have not done it it can not be done.Ive never had or known anyone to have bolt stiffness before the primer pockets have blown out first.Im sure you have unlimited knoledge by seeing your post count,I cant even emagine how much time it would take to accumulate that amount of posts Elk wow

You have never seen a hard to lift bolt without the primer being blown out? That is just a lack of experience.

[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by birdseye

Well if the powder charge weight is significantly higher then anything in any of my loading maunalls,one could prob determine you are dealing with a very hot and or unsafe load just from the %.Then deciding if it is even safe to bother with,then fig out what options are availible,like i also comented the dimensioms of the case to start with,and what if any pressure signs are on the case.But i get the just of the A/o senior members if you have not done it it can not be done.Ive never had or known anyone to have bolt stiffness before the primer pockets have blown out first.Im sure you have unlimited knoledge by seeing your post count,I cant even emagine how much time it would take to accumulate that amount of posts Elk wow

I've broke an extractor with no blown primer or enlarging of the primer pocket.
I've also had blown primers with just slightly stiff case extraction.

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

You have never seen a hard to lift bolt without the primer being blown out? That is just a lack of experience.

Exactly my thought but I am way to tired to try and explain it to him.

[REMINGTON JIM]

Originally Posted by Alberta Bigbore

Was shooting tonight. No issues shooting weatherby loaded ballistic tips 180gr. No problem shooting hornady loaded eldx 200gr.. but nosler loaded 180 nosler accubonds.....they........ Shot the lights out, but jammed after every shot. I could stagger nosler for hornady for weatheby brass loads.. and the nosler brass jammed each time.

The bottom of the case was shaved slighty and almost scrape marks a the top of the empty , bolt handle was very hard to lift and had to give a bit of gas to pull it back.


Any thoughts?

lol YEA ! That factory loaded Nosler 180 ABonds are too HOT loaded For YOUR rifle !
Simple FIX ! Just Don’t shoot them ! RJ

You could email Nosler with the LOT number from that ammo and ask them if there is a problem with lot being maybe overloaded ? See how they respond .RJ

[birdseye]

Inexperiance maybe not,might be closer to see the responces that follow from the so called experts. Sorry my bad lol But who actually lacks experiance,I never posted a coment on what makes a bolt stiff 🤷*♂️