Today's the day. US election on now

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I would point out that most people were very approving of Trumps Warp Speed initiative that fast tracked mRNA vaccines that helped turn around the strain on hospitals.

In fact Trump led the charge and he himself was vaccinated as well as Melania. He also got his boosters.

So anyone discussing Covid has to acknowledge his incredible foresight in his proactive support of vaccines.

But maybe some forget these facts?

Trump… the King of Covid Vaccinations.

I'm old enough to remember that time when the mods had to shut down a thread about Covid because some people couldn't stop banging on about things and posted 1100 times in just that one thread trying to make their point endlessly and obnoxiously.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I would point out that most people were very approving of Trumps Warp Speed initiative that fast tracked mRNA vaccines that helped turn around the strain on hospitals.

In fact Trump led the charge and he himself was vaccinated as well as Melania. He also got his boosters.

So anyone discussing Covid has to acknowledge his incredible foresight in his proactive support of vaccines.

But maybe some forget these facts?

Trump… the King of Covid Vaccinations.

Making them available, and forcing people to take them, are very different.
So yes, I agree that he gave his people the 2 best choices available.
Another win for the Don.

[CBintheNorth]

I find it strange that they still have so few stations reporting in NV and AZ after 3 days.
Especially with the House on the line.
I wonder if we're going to see a huge spike in the number of votes in those states, just like in 2020?

[muirsy]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

I find it strange that they still have so few stations reporting in NV and AZ after 3 days.
Especially with the House on the line.
I wonder if we're going to see a huge spike in the number of votes in those states, just like in 2020?

Thankfully it wouldn't change the outcome anyways!

[Mb-MBR]

Originally Posted by sns2

One thing I am hopeful for positively benefitting Canada is the swinging of the pendulum back to more traditional values and common sense, and away from the woke mind virus that seems to have even affected members of AO. It is a real condition, make no mistake, and it has so negatively affected the western world. As the US goes, so does most of the world. The head run that Trump will have in the US will serve to provide a precedent for Poilevre when it is his turn to run a majority government, and he has a chance to turn back the clock from the craziness we have all experienced under that rotten, no good bastard child of Castro. Remind yourself of just how lunatic society has become, and you will realize just how much room there is for a truly conservative leader to change things back to sane, normal policies.

You the man!
And I too am continually amazed at the number of liberals in sheeps clothing here in the outdoorsmen world[/QUOTE]

Could someone please provide the definition of "woke"? I read the forum rules again and thought maybe I didn't belong due to fact that I'm an Indian and don't think like most on here especially when it comes to politics and the forum was only for "conservatives" but the rules state the following.

Any topics/posts or discussion that includes race, ethnic groups, religion or sexual orientation are NOT acceptable and can result in a loss of message board privileges not excluding permanently. This is NOT the forum for such discussions.

Political discussion will be monitored closely. At the first sign of a political discussion going sideways, which may include fighting between forum members, flaming of political parties or individual politicians, the thread will be immediately deleted. Forum members that abuse this rule will lose their forum privileges.

I think there is lunacy on both sides and both sides are responsible for this divide. In a democratic society, I respect when the people have spoken and have chosen their leader. I may not agree with the results but if a majority of the people that have the right to vote and have had their say, then so be it. I won't cry if the party I chose to support didn't win and I won't jump for joy when the party I didn't vote for wins.

I hope a mod doesn't accuse me of "trolling" and if the owner of this site wants to change the rules, I will comply. It's his house not mine.

[elkhunter11]

Could someone please provide the definition of "woke"? I read the forum rules again and thought maybe I didn't belong due to fact that I'm an Indian and don't think like most on here especially when it comes to politics and the forum was only for "conservatives" but the rules state the following.

Any topics/posts or discussion that includes race, ethnic groups, religion or sexual orientation are NOT acceptable and can result in a loss of message board privileges not excluding permanently. This is NOT the forum for such discussions.

Political discussion will be monitored closely. At the first sign of a political discussion going sideways, which may include fighting between forum members, flaming of political parties or individual politicians, the thread will be immediately deleted. Forum members that abuse this rule will lose their forum privileges.

I think there is lunacy on both sides and both sides are responsible for this divide. In a democratic society, I respect when the people have spoken and have chosen their leader. I may not agree with the results but if a majority of the people that have the right to vote and have had their say, then so be it. I won't cry if the party I chose to support didn't win and I won't jump for joy when the party I didn't vote for wins.

I hope a mod doesn't accuse me of "trolling" and if the owner of this site wants to change the rules, I will comply. It's his house not mine.

"Woke" likely varies with who you talk to, my own definition would be those people that are the social justice warriors, they want to bring race, religion, and sexual preference into every discussion, and they place virtue signaling above common sense. They promote reverse discrimination at every opportunity, to the point of hiring/electing people based solely on race, sex,religion, etc, with no consideration for qualifications or capabilities.They promote a green agenda, and they are anti oil/gas, anti firearms, and they protest everything that goes against their own views. They aren't satisfied with just living according to their beliefs, they want to force everyone else to live according to their beliefs. They don't care about the individual rights/freedoms of anyone that opposes their views. They don't believe that everyone should have to work for a living, they believe that the world owes them everything that they need/want. They have no problems with breaking laws or using violence to protest anything that opposes their views, but they accuse anyone that speaks out against their views as being fascists or nazis. They go so far as to want laws enacted, to make speaking out against their beliefs illegal.
That pretty much sums up my definition of "woke", but of course some people will have far different definitions.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

"Woke" likely varies with who you talk to, my own definition would be those people that are the social justice warriors, they want to bring race, religion, and sexual preference into every discussion, and they place virtue signaling above common sense. They promote reverse discrimination at every opportunity, to the point of hiring/electing people based solely on race, sex,religion, etc, with no consideration for qualifications or capabilities.They promote a green agenda, and they are anti oil/gas, anti firearms, and they protest everything that goes against their own views. They aren't satisfied with just living according to their beliefs, they want to force everyone else to live according to their beliefs. They don't care about the individual rights/freedoms of anyone that opposes their views. They don't believe that everyone should have to work for a living, they believe that the world owes them everything that they need/want. They have no problems with breaking laws or using violence to protest anything that opposes their views, but they accuse anyone that speaks out against their views as being fascists or nazis. They go so far as to want laws enacted, to make speaking out against their beliefs illegal.
That pretty much sums up my definition of "woke", but of course some people will have far different definitions.

Bang on!

Exactly how I feel.

BW

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by burbotman

Lifetime Conservative voter here who lives rural. A couple questions reading this thread
Are conservatives able to be friends with those who are not? What about family who do not share the same views? Should the outdoors be only for conservatives? I ve used this before but does my conservative vote count as much if I don’t have a Trump and Smith tattoo?
I am pleased with the direction our province is turning right now and optimistic of a future with PP. I am concerned with the trend for people to have to be on the far left or the far right. There are allot of good rationale people I know that are more in the middle and it seems that each side rejects those that are not “all in” enough.

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I actually don't have any friends that vote liberal or ndp, most own firearms, and support oil&gas, and hate Trudeau/Singh. I do have relatives on one side of the family that are liberal/ndp supporters, but I rarely associate with them, as we have no interests in common. And when we do associate, they know better than to complain about fuel prices, taxes or inflation, because they get reminded that the people that they vote for are responsible.

Much like elk, I also don't have any liberal/dipper friends. I do have a cousin who lives in Brazil that is quite a liberal though. Ended up deleting her off FB so I didn't have see any of her nonsense. Liberals and their supporters have not made my life better in any way. In fact the last dozen years have been worse since dipshat has been in charge.
For the life of me I can't figure out a Liberals thought process and how they can believe in Liberal ideaoligies so it's just better for me (and them) if I keep myself distanced. Many on here I would have zero interest sitting around a fire having a beer with. Life is too short

[flydude]

Originally Posted by BuckCuller

I definitely can’t be friends with people that follow a leader that calls me racist, misogynistic and a Nazi because of the party I support.

Hmmm I wonder what pronoun a racist, misogynist or a Nazi would use?
He/Him/His/Himself/She/Her/Hers/Herself/They/Them/Theirs/Ze (or Zie)/Zee (like “see” with a “Z”). Can also be spelled as xe if He/Him/His/Himself/She/Her/Hers/Herself/They/Them/Theirs/Ze (or Zie)/Zee prefers.

[Mb-MBR]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

"Woke" likely varies with who you talk to, my own definition would be those people that are the social justice warriors, they want to bring race, religion, and sexual preference into every discussion, and they place virtue signaling above common sense. They promote reverse discrimination at every opportunity, to the point of hiring/electing people based solely on race, sex,religion, etc, with no consideration for qualifications or capabilities.They promote a green agenda, and they are anti oil/gas, anti firearms, and they protest everything that goes against their own views. They aren't satisfied with just living according to their beliefs, they want to force everyone else to live according to their beliefs. They don't care about the individual rights/freedoms of anyone that opposes their views. They don't believe that everyone should have to work for a living, they believe that the world owes them everything that they need/want. They have no problems with breaking laws or using violence to protest anything that opposes their views, but they accuse anyone that speaks out against their views as being fascists or nazis. They go so far as to want laws enacted, to make speaking out against their beliefs illegal.
That pretty much sums up my definition of "woke", but of course some people will have far different definitions.

Thanks for response, much appreciated. Is there such a thing as a Conservative "Wokism" (probably not a word) Again trying to have a civil discussion. Are there opportunities or a place on this board or in this country to agree to disagree regardless of our beliefs without feeling threatened?

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by Mb-MBR

Thanks for response, much appreciated. Is there such a thing as a Conservative "Wokism" (probably not a word) Again trying to have a civil discussion. Are there opportunities or a place on this board or in this country to agree to disagree regardless of our beliefs without feeling threatened?

There used to be until the left went full scale into demonizing the right AND center for their political gain.
The Liberals and Democrats destroyed civility with their hateful rhetoric.

[Talking moose]

Speak your mind. Don’t feel threatened…….unless threatened.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Mb-MBR

Thanks for response, much appreciated. Is there such a thing as a Conservative "Wokism" (probably not a word) Again trying to have a civil discussion. Are there opportunities or a place on this board or in this country to agree to disagree regardless of our beliefs without feeling threatened?

The conservatives that I know, typically believe in living according to your beliefs, but not forcing your beliefs on
others, which is pretty much the opposite of woke. The Conservative way is, if you want to own firearms, you be free to own firearms, if you want to believe in religion, you are free to believe in religion ,if you want to hire based on qualifications, you be free to hire based on qualifications. The conservatives that I know, are okay with you believing in whatever you choose to believe in, as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on others. But the woke, don't want you to have those choices, they want you to be forced to accept their views.

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by burbotman

Lifetime Conservative voter here who lives rural. A couple questions reading this thread
Are conservatives able to be friends with those who are not? What about family who do not share the same views? Should the outdoors be only for conservatives? I ve used this before but does my conservative vote count as much if I don’t have a Trump and Smith tattoo?
I am pleased with the direction our province is turning right now and optimistic of a future with PP. I am concerned with the trend for people to have to be on the far left or the far right. There are allot of good rationale people I know that are more in the middle and it seems that each side rejects those that are not “all in” enough.

I have friends and family who hold a variety of political views, yet we’re able to engage in respectful discussions without letting them turn into hostility. We haven't bought into the notion that supporting different parties makes us adversaries.

I highlighted the portion of your post as I had read it before and it resonated with me. Politics isn’t a monolith as people’s views vary, even within the same party. It’s personal, shaped by how government decisions impact each of us on an individual level.

The old saying, "don’t discuss politics or religion at the dinner table," feels more relevant than ever now that the political atmosphere has become so much more polarized.

[Mb-MBR]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The conservatives that I know, typically believe in living according to your beliefs, but not forcing your beliefs on
others, which is pretty much the opposite of woke. The Conservative way is, if you want to own firearms, you be free to own firearms, if you want to believe in religion, you are free to believe in religion ,if you want to hire based on qualifications, you be free to hire based on qualifications. The conservatives that I know, are okay with you believing in whatever you choose to believe in, as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on others. But the woke, don't want you to have those choices, they want you to be forced to accept their views.

Damn sounds like I'm a conservative, how can that be....... I have never forced my beliefs on anyone and am a die hard hunter and gun owner. I like to think I'm free but there's this thing called The Indian Act that I live under, it tells me that because my daughter chose a partner that is not an Indian means my 4 year old grandson can't be an Indian....

But I will leave it there, thanks again for responding. I feel informed or more informed now. Today is Indigenous Veterans Day so I will be commemorating my family members that gave their life to defend this country and will also commemorate the veterans that gave their lives to defend democracy on Monday.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Mb-MBR

Damn sounds like I'm a conservative, how can that be....... I have never forced my beliefs on anyone and am a die hard hunter and gun owner. I like to think I'm free but there's this thing called The Indian Act that I live under, it tells me that because my daughter chose a partner that is not an Indian means my 4 year old grandson can't be an Indian....

But I will leave it there, thanks again for responding. I feel informed or more informed now. Today is Indigenous Veterans Day so I will be commemorating my family members that gave their life to defend this country and will also commemorate the veterans that gave their lives to defend democracy on Monday.

There is one more thing that myself and the conservatives that I know believe in, that being, that we believe that there there should be one set of laws for everyone, regardless of race, sex or religion. And we believe in honoring every person that fought for our country, with no consideration, as to their race ,sex or religion. We believe that we are all Canadians, and that is all that our laws and our government should be concerned about. Both Trudeaus and their parties have made a habit of trying to divide Canadians, to turn us against one another, for their own benefit, and the woke are the main reason that the divisions continue.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Making them available, and forcing people to take them, are very different.
So yes, I agree that he gave his people the 2 best choices available.
Another win for the Don.

Agreed

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The conservatives that I know, typically believe in living according to your beliefs, but not forcing your beliefs on
others, which is pretty much the opposite of woke. The Conservative way is, if you want to own firearms, you be free to own firearms, if you want to believe in religion, you are free to believe in religion ,if you want to hire based on qualifications, you be free to hire based on qualifications. The conservatives that I know, are okay with you believing in whatever you choose to believe in, as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on others. But the woke, don't want you to have those choices, they want you to be forced to accept their views.

So to be clear then. So long as a liberal and a conservative in a room together, doesn’t push their political beliefs… they can both be friends?

Curious… are all liberals woke or is there a range within the liberal gatherings?

Is it an oxymoron that as a conservative we don’t want to force our beliefs on others? For instance some “conservatives” say we must expel everyone from Alberta who don’t think as us conservatives do. Also isn’t it contradictory simply because isn’t a vote a way to ram one’s personal political beliefs down the throat of the other guy, even if it’s just for 4 years?

20 years ago voting wasn’t so end of the world, freak each other out, hate thy neighbours opinion sort of a friendship breaking thing.

Trudeau has brought in this negative hate branding of the other side by vilifying certain groups and individuals for each and every election. He installs false fears and lies about the other side and can’t discuss facts. And to be fair… facts in politics is a very nebulous and shifty image to pin down.

Put me down in the club that says…

If you tell me you are liberal or NDP or conservative and leave it at that… we can fish anytime. Even mentioning some current political thing that happened I can handle the discourse without freaking out.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Is it an oxymoron that as a conservative we don’t want to force our beliefs on others? For instance some “conservatives” say we must expel everyone from Alberta who don’t think as us conservatives do. Also isn’t it contradictory simply because isn’t a vote a way to ram one’s personal political beliefs down the throat of the other guy, even if it’s just for 4 years?

20 years ago voting wasn’t so end of the world, freak each other out, hate thy neighbours opinion sort of a friendship breaking thing.

Trudeau has brought in this negative hate branding of the other side by vilifying certain groups and individuals for each and every election. He installs false fears and lies about the other side and can’t discuss facts. And to be fair… facts in politics is a very nebulous and shifty image to pin down.

Put me down in the club that says…

If you tell me you are liberal or NDP or conservative and leave it at that… we can fish anytime. Even mentioning some current political thing that happened I can handle the discourse without freaking out.

I think that's a good viewpoint, Sun.

The thing is, I think many social/fiscal conservatives (relating to policies, not party affiliation) are suffering fatigue from being on the defense all of the time.

One can see the social/fiscal liberals attacking the conservative way of life, eroding societal trust, pushing programs that go against the moral fabric of society, all while feverishly digging into the working man's pockets for more money to be wasted on their pet programs.

Conservatives, for the most part, just want to be left alone, value personal accountability, and have autonomy about where their dollars go. Want to fight climate change? Great, use your own money. Support Ukraine? Same.

Conservatives want to have some consistency, to have the ability to plan and work towards long-term goals, have a future. Having the goalposts moved constantly is antithetical to that. That being said, a liberal may have the same goals and desires, however, the party that represents them demonstrably works against them.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

So to be clear then. So long as a liberal and a conservative in a room together, doesn’t push their political beliefs… they can both be friends?

Curious… are all liberals woke or is there a range within the liberal gatherings?

Is it an oxymoron that as a conservative we don’t want to force our beliefs on others? For instance some “conservatives” say we must expel everyone from Alberta who don’t think as us conservatives do. Also isn’t it contradictory simply because isn’t a vote a way to ram one’s personal political beliefs down the throat of the other guy, even if it’s just for 4 years?

20 years ago voting wasn’t so end of the world, freak each other out, hate thy neighbours opinion sort of a friendship breaking thing.

Trudeau has brought in this negative hate branding of the other side by vilifying certain groups and individuals for each and every election. He installs false fears and lies about the other side and can’t discuss facts. And to be fair… facts in politics is a very nebulous and shifty image to pin down.

Put me down in the club that says…

If you tell me you are liberal or NDP or conservative and leave it at that… we can fish anytime. Even mentioning some current political thing that happened I can handle the discourse without freaking out.

You seem to be missing a few words from my quote:

The conservatives that I know,

I tend to not associate with extremists, and none of my good friends are extremists. And by friends, I don't mean Facebook friends, I mean the people that I trust, and that I would go to great lengths to support and help when they need it, and who will do the same for me.

As to liberals being woke, the party itself promotes a woke agenda, so if you support the party, you in fact support wokeness. If you support wokeness, you are therefore woke to at least some extent. The same is true for ndp supporters. I can't choose my relatives, so I coexist with them , and we avoid politics, but I do choose my friends, and I just happen to prefer the company of people that don't support a woke agenda.

[makin tracks]

looks like Elon Musk just bought CNN news, should be interesting outcome!

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by makin tracks

looks like Elon Musk just bought CNN news, should be interesting outcome!

Bahahaha if that’s true it’s a wowser! Real news now. Might start watching mainstream media again.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

I think that's a good viewpoint, Sun.

The thing is, I think many social/fiscal conservatives (relating to policies, not party affiliation) are suffering fatigue from being on the defense all of the time.

One can see the social/fiscal liberals attacking the conservative way of life, eroding societal trust, pushing programs that go against the moral fabric of society, all while feverishly digging into the working man's pockets for more money to be wasted on their pet programs.

Conservatives, for the most part, just want to be left alone, value personal accountability, and have autonomy about where their dollars go. Want to fight climate change? Great, use your own money. Support Ukraine? Same.

Conservatives want to have some consistency, to have the ability to plan and work towards long-term goals, have a future. Having the goalposts moved constantly is antithetical to that. That being said, a liberal may have the same goals and desires, however, the party that represents them demonstrably works against them.

I don’t see most of it as attacking outside of electioneering chatter.

Otherwise one can then say with a tweak on your quote above…



One can see the social/fiscal conservatives attacking the liberal way of life, eroding societal trust, pushing programs that go against the moral fabric of society, all while feverishly taking away critical programs.


Politics has become less about well thought out and explained actions and more about showmanship and hammers.

It’s become them against us of a personal nature and not about facts as much. Made up facts gets the most airplay in the community and media outlets clearly favour one side over another.

Would be a breath of fresh air to have the opposition put out a comprehensive list of real facts of what the government is doing smartly and dumbly and exactly why somethings need to change and at the same time outlining all the stuff that will stay the same. How we can get our biggest bang for our buck for our tax dollar.

Some information about good debt versus bad debt. Explaining it’s the younger generation that will be saddled with the debt.

It appears the democrats erred in attacking trumps character as everyone knows his character flaws. It’s not a secret. People wanted to know how their finances would fare and saw the democrats as a negative draw on their standard of living.

For all the rhetoric about climate change… significantly reducing our standard of living, taxing away revenue that supports hospitals and social programs, makes zero impact on climate change.
When we are 2% or carbon emissions and reducing emissions by 0.4 % while causing hardship such as making food unaffordable, cost to heat a home unaffordable wouldn’t fly if explained properly.

Maximizing GDP today in a pure value generating industry like oil and gas and then Investing that money by making our economy, power grid and infrastructure resilient to change makes sense.

Policies in place to not build in low areas prone to flooding makes sense.

Developing crops for wetter or drier climates makes sense.

Understanding how most efficiently capture water for agriculture without damaging the rivers makes sense.

Time will tell if it can sink in with voters.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by makin tracks

looks like Elon Musk just bought CNN news, should be interesting outcome!

lol

https://archive.is/qYAER

Is this the article you refer to?

[Ricki Bobby]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The conservatives that I know, typically believe in living according to your beliefs, but not forcing your beliefs on
others, which is pretty much the opposite of woke. The Conservative way is, if you want to own firearms, you be free to own firearms, if you want to believe in religion, you are free to believe in religion ,if you want to hire based on qualifications, you be free to hire based on qualifications. The conservatives that I know, are okay with you believing in whatever you choose to believe in, as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on others. But the woke, don't want you to have those choices, they want you to be forced to accept their views.

Exactly

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I don’t see most of it as attacking outside of electioneering chatter.

Otherwise one can then say with a tweak on your quote above…



One can see the social/fiscal conservatives attacking the liberal way of life, eroding societal trust, pushing programs that go against the moral fabric of society, all while feverishly taking away critical programs.


Politics has become less about well thought out and explained actions and more about showmanship and hammers.

It’s become them against us of a personal nature and not about facts as much. Made up facts gets the most airplay in the community and media outlets clearly favour one side over another.

Would be a breath of fresh air to have the opposition put out a comprehensive list of real facts of what the government is doing smartly and dumbly and exactly why somethings need to change and at the same time outlining all the stuff that will stay the same. How we can get our biggest bang for our buck for our tax dollar.

Some information about good debt versus bad debt. Explaining it’s the younger generation that will be saddled with the debt.

It appears the democrats erred in attacking trumps character as everyone knows his character flaws. It’s not a secret. People wanted to know how their finances would fare and saw the democrats as a negative draw on their standard of living.

For all the rhetoric about climate change… significantly reducing our standard of living, taxing away revenue that supports hospitals and social programs, makes zero impact on climate change.
When we are 2% or carbon emissions and reducing emissions by 0.4 % while causing hardship such as making food unaffordable, cost to heat a home unaffordable wouldn’t fly if explained properly.

Maximizing GDP today in a pure value generating industry like oil and gas and then Investing that money by making our economy, power grid and infrastructure resilient to change makes sense.

Policies in place to not build in low areas prone to flooding makes sense.

Developing crops for wetter or drier climates makes sense.

Understanding how most efficiently capture water for agriculture without damaging the rivers makes sense.

Time will tell if it can sink in with voters.

The problem is, that politicians don't give a crap about anything but being elected. They will promise anything, and do anything to get votes, no matter what it does to the country, no matter who suffers as a result. The socialist/woke way, is to promise handouts, to target the people that don't care where the money comes from, or who pays the bills. On the opposite side, conservatives have to appeal to the people that actually care about finances. The problem is, that today's society has changed to where more and more people will choose the handouts, even if they end up paying for them. Only when the money runs out, and they can't put a roof over their head or feed their family, will these people switch their votes to a conservative alternative.
And that is where we are now, Americans chose the alternative that will help them to be able to afford the necessities, and it is getting close to where that will happen in Canada.
But the real problem is, that when people find out that they have to do without handouts, and make cutbacks, to fix the economy, some will revert back to the woke/socialist alternative again.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The problem is, that politicians don't give a crap about anything but being elected. They will promise anything, and do anything to get votes, no matter what it does to the country, no matter who suffers as a result. The socialist/woke way, is to promise handouts, to target the people that don't care where the money comes from, or who pays the bills. On the opposite side, conservatives have to appeal to the people that actually care about finances. The problem is, that today's society has changed to where more and more people will choose the handouts, even if they end up paying for them. Only when the money runs out, and they can't put a roof over their head or feed their family, will these people switch their votes to a conservative alternative.
And that is where we are now, Americans chose the alternative that will help them to be able to afford the necessities, and it is getting close to where that will happen in Canada.
But the real problem is, that when people find out that they have to do without handouts, and make cutbacks, to fix the economy, some will revert back to the woke/socialist alternative again.

It is a cycle Canada is in for sure.

Spend more than we have. Conservatives come in and start to clean it up. Voters fall for free stuff promise again but they forget it’s not free. They are paying for it.

I wish I could start a business targeting dumb voters.

My ad would be… vote for me and I’ll give you 900 a year cash in your pocket.

Small print… I’ll increase the taxes by $1300 to cover the administrative costs of giving you $900 back.

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I don’t see most of it as attacking outside of electioneering chatter.

Otherwise one can then say with a tweak on your quote above…



One can see the social/fiscal conservatives attacking the liberal way of life, eroding societal trust, pushing programs that go against the moral fabric of society, all while feverishly taking away critical programs.


Politics has become less about well thought out and explained actions and more about showmanship and hammers.

It’s become them against us of a personal nature and not about facts as much. Made up facts gets the most airplay in the community and media outlets clearly favour one side over another.

Would be a breath of fresh air to have the opposition put out a comprehensive list of real facts of what the government is doing smartly and dumbly and exactly why somethings need to change and at the same time outlining all the stuff that will stay the same. How we can get our biggest bang for our buck for our tax dollar.

Some information about good debt versus bad debt. Explaining it’s the younger generation that will be saddled with the debt.

It appears the democrats erred in attacking trumps character as everyone knows his character flaws. It’s not a secret. People wanted to know how their finances would fare and saw the democrats as a negative draw on their standard of living.

For all the rhetoric about climate change… significantly reducing our standard of living, taxing away revenue that supports hospitals and social programs, makes zero impact on climate change.
When we are 2% or carbon emissions and reducing emissions by 0.4 % while causing hardship such as making food unaffordable, cost to heat a home unaffordable wouldn’t fly if explained properly.

Maximizing GDP today in a pure value generating industry like oil and gas and then Investing that money by making our economy, power grid and infrastructure resilient to change makes sense.

Policies in place to not build in low areas prone to flooding makes sense.

Developing crops for wetter or drier climates makes sense.

Understanding how most efficiently capture water for agriculture without damaging the rivers makes sense.

Time will tell if it can sink in with voters.

Very well said, I think very much the same way

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Originally Posted by burbotman

Very well said, I think very much the same way

It a perspective either way.

I don't see most changing their perspective except maybe some gradually over time. To get that gradual acceptance of a more fiscally responsible government, more minds are changed with calm logic and a friendly face versus screaming dipper, we hate you and all your other socialist scumbags.

Sadly the former can adjust peoples reason, the later enforces the socialist sterotype of a fiscally responsible government.