Ukraine is taking the war to Russian territory

[32-40win]

I think Crimea is the most important part of the whole thing, and the Russians access and control of the Black Sea, along with the "buffer zone " along the western border, was also bolstered with RU influencing Germany and France and EU thru them by way of Nordstream and etc, kind of holding them by the nuts with gas and oil, and having lost that for the most part now. Ukes were going to develop the oilpatch, money was starting to flow from the west, but, not necessarily into Putin's pocket so to speak. Besides the influence, what they could skim, there was money to build his military, all gone now.
Now he has UAF on Russian soil, everything west of the Volga is now in range from Ukraine, he is in a predicament of his own making, but, also subscribing to some old Soviet ways that will probably win over time, as the west will get tired of it and let him have it, if he's patient and lives long enough. He doesn't care about the path to get there, what he has to do to get it done, just the end result, and that will be his legacy within Russia. Pretty obvious the west is playing games against him and Russia in general, or they'd support Ukes properly, they're just pawns in the big game.
Seeing some stuff about Chinese troops in western RU, 18,000? Some pics floating around, maybe they'll appear on the border, maybe not, could be there for training, who knows. Enough to take over the Kremlin? We're not going to have to rescue the Russians, again, are we?

[KGB]

There were Chinese troops here in Canada not too long ago… We should worry more about that than they been in Russia… Most of the eastern Russia from Chinese border and to the Ural Mountains is under heavy Chinese industrial presence…I was told that the corrupted local government gave them a cart blanch to do whatever they want…

[W921]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

I think Crimea is the most important part of the whole thing, and the Russians access and control of the Black Sea, along with the "buffer zone " along the western border, was also bolstered with RU influencing Germany and France and EU thru them by way of Nordstream and etc, kind of holding them by the nuts with gas and oil, and having lost that for the most part now. Ukes were going to develop the oilpatch, money was starting to flow from the west, but, not necessarily into Putin's pocket so to speak. Besides the influence, what they could skim, there was money to build his military, all gone now.
Now he has UAF on Russian soil, everything west of the Volga is now in range from Ukraine, he is in a predicament of his own making, but, also subscribing to some old Soviet ways that will probably win over time, as the west will get tired of it and let him have it, if he's patient and lives long enough. He doesn't care about the path to get there, what he has to do to get it done, just the end result, and that will be his legacy within Russia. Pretty obvious the west is playing games against him and Russia in general, or they'd support Ukes properly, they're just pawns in the big game.
Seeing some stuff about Chinese troops in western RU, 18,000? Some pics floating around, maybe they'll appear on the border, maybe not, could be there for training, who knows. Enough to take over the Kremlin? We're not going to have to rescue the Russians, again, are we?

Spell check keeps changing my words on here and annoying!
You think Ukraine taking kursk is a diversion to cause Russia to take troops from Crimea? Crimea is real goal I guess is what you are saying?
About access to black sea
Does it really matter? Russia honestly appears useless. Same as China. Everyone is scared of Chinese but they are green troops who haven't seen combat. But yes they would be a threat to Russia. Russia doesn't really have friends do they?
Russia being forced to sell oil and gas at reduced rates might be the real angle of American being there?

[Mr Flyguy]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

I think Crimea is the most important part of the whole thing, and the Russians access and control of the Black Sea, along with the "buffer zone " along the western border, was also bolstered with RU influencing Germany and France and EU thru them by way of Nordstream and etc, kind of holding them by the nuts with gas and oil, and having lost that for the most part now. Ukes were going to develop the oilpatch, money was starting to flow from the west, but, not necessarily into Putin's pocket so to speak. Besides the influence, what they could skim, there was money to build his military, all gone now.
Now he has UAF on Russian soil, everything west of the Volga is now in range from Ukraine, he is in a predicament of his own making, but, also subscribing to some old Soviet ways that will probably win over time, as the west will get tired of it and let him have it, if he's patient and lives long enough. He doesn't care about the path to get there, what he has to do to get it done, just the end result, and that will be his legacy within Russia. Pretty obvious the west is playing games against him and Russia in general, or they'd support Ukes properly, they're just pawns in the big game.
Seeing some stuff about Chinese troops in western RU, 18,000? Some pics floating around, maybe they'll appear on the border, maybe not, could be there for training, who knows. Enough to take over the Kremlin? We're not going to have to rescue the Russians, again, are we?

Huh? When/where was that?

[urban rednek]

Give Ukraine the weapons and turn them loose.

Tell them they don't have to stop until all enemy troops are withdrawn from Ukrainian territory and Russia has agreed to pay full reparations for all damages. Tell Poland they get a free pass to help out.
Ukraine gets their natural resources back without any further Russian interference. Putin can hang.

[Mr Flyguy]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

Give Ukraine the weapons and turn them loose.

Tell them they don't have to stop until all enemy troops are withdrawn from Ukrainian territory and Russia has agreed to pay full reparations for all damages. Tell Poland they get a free pass to help out.
Ukraine gets their natural resources back without any further Russian interference. Putin can hang.

Don't forget to stock up your nuclear-proof bomb shelter!

[32-40win]

mr flyguy

Huh? When/where was that?[/QUOTE]

Couple of pics of Chinese troops in Moscow supposedly, who the H knows what's real or not about that. Some say RU is very strict about Chinese migration into Mongolia and Siberia, but, it is slowly happening nonetheless.

Seems RU is having issues producing stainless steel, India and China supply most (85%) of their needs, India can't get containers thru Suez, has to go around Africa to get there, thanks to Houthis. They say there is an RU build program to rectify that now, plant due to come online by 2026 sometime, in Volgograd area, so they'll be self sufficient, supposedly.
A thread on the Red October plant in Volgograd, also known as the Barricady works back in 1942
https://x.com/HartreeFock/status/1828363999336960300

Stats on RU missile/drone launch over the weekend, it was a big one, larger than US launches, even total usage in the middle east, they say;

https://x.com/Tendar/status/1828100440493380054

May want to be careful flying in Russia. https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1828461057259819137

Bit of talk on Uke missile program; https://x.com/FRHoffmann1/status/1828461416346771460

I'm a dummy on this subject, maybe someone knows where to find the significance in this, breach of RU Yandex search system?
https://x.com/officejjsmart/status/1828270454034911335

Darth Putin KGB now has a podcast; https://www.youtube.com/@InTheBunkerWithDarth
Also on Spotify.

[chad66]

Originally Posted by Mr Flyguy

[/COLOR]

Huh? When/where was that?

Not so much Canada, but the US offered significant help through the lend lease.. Some Russians did not want to acknowledge the importance. But people that were there said otherwise.


“The Short History Of The Great Patriotic War, also from 1948, acknowledged the Lend-Lease shipments, but concluded: "Overall this assistance was not significant enough to in any way exert a decisive influence over the course of the Great Patriotic War."

Nikolai Ryzhkov, the last head of the government of the Soviet Union, wrote in 2015 that "it can be confidently stated that [Lend-Lease assistance] did not play a decisive role in the Great Victory."

Such assessments, however, are contradicted by the opinions of Soviet war participants. Most famously, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

[url]https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

[NCC]

I remember that when the Iron Curtain came down, the USSR was not nearly as powerful as they lead on and the US war machine was far superior to anything in the Eastern block. I suspect that Russia, China, North Korea and Iran are also exaggerating their prowess but I wouldn't risk WW III to find out.

On another note, Jordan Peterson's most recent guest said that China, Russia and Iran are taking over Venezuela and will be flooding the US's southern border with all types of miscreants.

[W921]

Originally Posted by NCC

I remember that when the Iron Curtain came down, the USSR was not nearly as powerful as they lead on and the US war machine was far superior to anything in the Eastern block. I suspect that Russia, China, North Korea and Iran are also exaggerating their prowess but I wouldn't risk WW III to find out.

On another note, Jordan Peterson's most recent guest said that China, Russia and Iran are taking over Venezuela and will be flooding the US's southern border with all types of miscreants.

In the cold war the CIA completely overestimated soviets in every possible way. We all did.
Then in gulf War 1. Remember Iraq was supposed to be 4th largest military in the world. Remember all the hype before and whole thing was a turkey shoot.
Armed forces against another nations armed forces the Americans don't have to worry about anyone.
We get into trouble and hated when we interfere or occupying other countries . My political foreign view has changed over the years. I think we should mind or own business and be like Switzerland. It seems like a lot of these wars are about economic interests. The landlocked Swiss seem to be able to have their own economy.

[32-40win]

I do wonder at what shape RU would be in without all the money inflow after the fall of the Soviet Union, still quite a list of western multinationals dealing with them, shipping thru Kazahkstan mostly, via 3rd parties like Qatar, UAE, Turkish operators involved too, Schlumberger, Koch, BP, Shell, Halliburton.
Occidental Pet was in there after WW2, under Stalin & Kruschev, Brezhnev, probably still are. Some countries have sales increases to Kazahks of up to 2400% they say, from Germany, France, Hungary, imagine that, will ya.

Ukes whacked another big oil storage depot SE of Tula, SW of Ryazan yesterday. Used to be huge ammo & gun factories at Tula, haven't heard anything about hitting those yet. They probably actually have air defense around that. And they hit another oil depot near Rostov yesterday Atlas State reserve. And one in Kotelnich, 1400KM, quite a ways ENE of Moscow towards Kirov. And there was a smoking accident at a power plant at Novomichurinsk, in Ryazan area also, explosion involved.
Apparently all the depot damage has resulted in fuel rationing in Russia now.

Ukes have some form of an incursion towards Belgorod going on, not a pile of troops, it was said to be 300 or so, all mobile, probably just being a general PITA, hard to say if it's just a shoot & scoot or what, or if anything can or will develop from it.
Lots of pics of two brigades worth of Belarus equipt moving to Uke border.
Ukes claiming first F16 air kill, no proof yet.
Zelensky setting up some program to grow cotton in Odessa area for nitrocellulose production.
Some talk of partisans hitting the new Russian rail line from Rostov to Mariupol.

[W921]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

I do wonder at what shape RU would be in without all the money inflow after the fall of the Soviet Union, still quite a list of western multinationals dealing with them, shipping thru Kazahkstan mostly, via 3rd parties like Qatar, UAE, Turkish operators involved too, Schlumberger, Koch, BP, Shell, Halliburton.
Occidental Pet was in there after WW2, under Stalin & Kruschev, Brezhnev, probably still are. Some countries have sales increases to Kazahks of up to 2400% they say, from Germany, France, Hungary, imagine that, will ya.

Ukes whacked another big oil storage depot SE of Tula, SW of Ryazan yesterday. Used to be huge ammo & gun factories at Tula, haven't heard anything about hitting those yet. They probably actually have air defense around that. And they hit another oil depot near Rostov yesterday Atlas State reserve. And one in Kotelnich, 1400KM, quite a ways ENE of Moscow towards Kirov. And there was a smoking accident at a power plant at Novomichurinsk, in Ryazan area also, explosion involved.
Apparently all the depot damage has resulted in fuel rationing in Russia now.

Ukes have some form of an incursion towards Belgorod going on, not a pile of troops, it was said to be 300 or so, all mobile, probably just being a general PITA, hard to say if it's just a shoot & scoot or what, or if anything can or will develop from it.
Lots of pics of two brigades worth of Belarus equipt moving to Uke border.
Ukes claiming first F16 air kill, no proof yet.
Zelensky setting up some program to grow cotton in Odessa area for nitrocellulose production.
Some talk of partisans hitting the new Russian rail line from Rostov to Mariupol.

So with outdated air to ground f16s that are apparently getting upgraded with some air to air equipment the Ukrainians will control the skies? Wow Russia sucks

[W921]

Remember that old TV show Get Smart? Remember KAOS which was just another name for the Russians. Haha

[32-40win]

Was a blurb the other day about them having EW suppression that nobody else has. They didn't really expound on that though.
Poles are saying they can't start giving Ukes the rest of their Migs til 2026, their first F35 came off the line this wk.
Lockheed claims the US DOD hasn't issued a support contract for Uke F16's yet.

[W921]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Was a blurb the other day about them having EW suppression that nobody else has. They didn't really expound on that though.
Poles are saying they can't start giving Ukes the rest of their Migs til 2026, their first F35 came off the line this wk.
Lockheed claims the US DOD hasn't issued a support contract for Uke F16's yet.

Once they take out the ground missiles then isn't all about fighter jets taking on each other? My military knowledge is limited and I'm sure outdated but f16s would stand no chance against a real fighter jet like a f15 or mig equivalent or has everything changed?

[ruffy71]

I'm not sure how outdated the F16's are. They are not F35's obviously but I've read most of them have been upgraded with fairly up to date avionics, and armament. They lack the stealth though.

Considering nothing the Russian's have thrown at Ukraine has been "out of this world" technologically advanced, I don't think they should take these F16's too cavalierly.

[W921]

Originally Posted by ruffy71

I'm not sure how outdated the F16's are. They are not F35's obviously but I've read most of them have been upgraded with fairly up to date avionics, and armament. They lack the stealth though.

Considering nothing the Russian's have thrown at Ukraine has been "out of this world" technologically advanced, I don't think they should take these F16's too cavalierly.

I remember a few years ago one of our f18 pilots talking about stealthy new fighters. He didn't seem to think stealth meant anything in a gun fight (dogfight).
F15 has never been shot down

Remember how the Americans replaced the 1911 with Beretta. Speaking of which i saw a ma duece mounted on back of a pickup truck that Ukraine soldiers were using on the news last week! How cool is that!

[32-40win]

Everything I've seen is that the F16 can hold its own aginst all but a couple of the Russian planes, but the major shortfall is on air to air missile range, RU has a big edge, they say. US has a new ( and better...) missile (AIM174B ?) they're deploying to the carriers at the moment, but, F16 hasn't been adapted for it, and something rings a dingie about radar range inadequacy for it on F16. It may be able to be adapted, whether it'll ever be allowed to be deployed by anyone else, is another question, Air Force is studying them still. A story about US donating a sample of their newest missile to the RU via a Vietnamese MIG, that a dud hit and stuck in the plane, pilot flew that home intact, comes to mind. Seems RU didn't have anything much in the way of an air to air at the time, but, did afterward.

I do chuckle at the Uke's ingenuity at times, the things they've adapted to cars and pickups and drones are endless. "can't be done?" They are using something built on what looks to be a 76 or 120mm cannon brass this week, and dual anti-tank mines, adapted to a drone. War is the mother of invention after all.

[32-40win]

May well be all a person needs to know about what the Russian Gov't wants in Ukraine. from Dmitri Medvedev, not really mentioning oilpatch, but, no idea if that is included in his figures or not, if it's not incl, that is another few trillion
bucks;


WarTranslated (Dmitri)
@wartranslated
Dmitry Medvedev shared an elaborate post (which took him nearly a week to craft), where he lays out the reasons behind Russia's ruthless tactics in seizing Donbas, even if it means levelling cities and sacrificing hundreds of thousands lives.

According to him, Donbas holds mineral resources valued at $7.3 trillion, a sum that, in Putin's eyes, justifies the loss of a few hundred thousand Russian lives (multiplied by 5 million rubles of payments per corpse, that's still nothing).

For the past decade, the Russian people have been laboring under the Kremlin's control, eager to exploit this valuable resource. Meanwhile, Ukrainians continue to fight valiantly, refusing to surrender their land to the murderous thieves and plunderers.

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1829434941609828460

[32-40win]

This article in Reuters should explain why RU and China are trying to create BRICS;

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...ay-2024-08-30/

[densa44]

It really makes me wonder. Was all this worth it?

[W921]

I'm seeing chatter now about America taking on Chinese over Taiwan. You look at what America is spending on defence. It's mind boggling numbers. All these defense contractors. These corporations making military stuff. How much are they donating to Washington. How much are they making supplying not only Americans but other countries around the world. President Eisenhower knew how things worked and warned us.
I watch travel shows about America. I haven’t been there myself in last 30 years but I watch these shows and I don't hardly recognize it anymore. I used to be way different. It's not the normal people who are prospering anymore.

[chasingtail]

70% of Ukrainian land is owned by Jewish organizations in the United States, when Zelenskyy kills off the last Christian Ukrainian our sons and daughters will be sent to protect it.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

70% of Ukrainian land is owned by Jewish organizations in the United States, when Zelenskyy kills off the last Christian Ukrainian our sons and daughters will be sent to protect it.

It’s great seeing people doing their own in depth research because you certainly won’t learn information like that on MSM…….

[W921]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

70% of Ukrainian land is owned by Jewish organizations in the United States, when Zelenskyy kills off the last Christian Ukrainian our sons and daughters will be sent to protect it.

I wouldn't invest over there. You wouldn't think anyone else would either

[KGB]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

70% of Ukrainian land is owned by Jewish organizations in the United States, when Zelenskyy kills off the last Christian Ukrainian our sons and daughters will be sent to protect it.

Just curious to see where did you get this info from?

[KGB]

Originally Posted by W921

I wouldn't invest over there. You wouldn't think anyone else would either

Well apparently all the blood thirsty jews already knee dip into this and are ready to make money…. Damn I am always late to the party!

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by KGB

Just curious to see where did you get this info from?

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

70% of Ukrainian land is owned by Jewish organizations in the United States, when Zelenskyy kills off the last Christian Ukrainian our sons and daughters will be sent to protect it.

This is not the place to spread your hate! Unless you can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt this ^^^ is true then best you keep them to yourself.

Ironic if Ukraine is full of Jews then why is Putinmuffin calling them 1939 Democrat's?

[W921]

Originally Posted by KGB

Well apparently all the blood thirsty jews already knee dip into this and are ready to make money…. Damn I am always late to the party!

It's both ways

Ukrainians were supposedly Nazies .

Now the Ukrainians are fighting for rich Jews

(I'm being sarcastic in my posts.) In case it's not obvious haha