Ukraine is taking the war to Russian territory

[Irina]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Yes the did. They partnered with the Nazis in 1939, and started the war by invading Poland. They then went onto invade other countries. It's amazing how many people, don't know the history of something as big and well documented as WW2.

Quote;
"The war in Europe began on 23 August 1939, when the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a pact that created a partnership between them in dividing up Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe. Under the terms of this pact, the German Wehrmacht moved into western Poland on 1 September 1939, and the Soviet Red Army moved en masse into eastern Poland sixteen days later."

Stalin and Hitler had a little disagreement in 1941 forcing the russians to switch sides, and they then pretended like the previous partnership never happened.

https://daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu/...ties-and-myths

Well it’s good Stalin switched. Who did a lot of the slaughtering of the Jews? And not the Germans…

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Irina

Well it’s good Stalin switched. Who did a lot of the slaughtering of the Jews? And not the Germans…

It wasn't Stalins moral compass that turned the russians away from their Nazi partners. The Germans basically invaded them (operation Barbarssa), in 1941.
As for your Jewish question;
Quote;
"Stalin ordered the deportation of some 200,000 – perhaps as many as 300,000 -- Polish Jews from Russian-occupied Eastern Poland to Gulag labor camps deep in the Soviet Union."

[Irina]

Originally Posted by Scott h

It wasn't Stalins moral compass that turned the russians away from their Nazi partners. The Germans basically invaded them (operation Barbarssa), in 1941.
As for your Jewish question;
Quote;
"Stalin ordered the deportation of some 200,000 – perhaps as many as 300,000 -- Polish Jews from Russian-occupied Eastern Poland to Gulag labor camps deep in the Soviet Union."

It was the Ukrainians that did a lot of hitlers dirty work with the killing of the Jews. Lots don’t know that either.

[ruffy71]

Hey Irina, are you friends with any Germans? Of course because the only people worse than filthy Ukrainians would be the Germans themselves right? The actual Nazi's.

Right?

Why don't we all attest to our desire to see Germany crumble, and be subjugated by its neighbors. That's only just no?

Or we could step back from the Russian troll Irina and remember that anti-semitism was a horrible scourge all over Europe, including Ukraine, for a thousand years. And if Ukraine has a hope of coming to grips with it, and doing what Germany has done to come to terms with it, it will have to get out from under the only thing that compares to Nazism for brutality.... Russian colonialism.

For a good study of what happened in Ukraine, yes including Ukrainian antisemitism and genocide, read...

https://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/bo...emorialization.

[Irina]

Originally Posted by ruffy71

Hey Irina, are you friends with any Germans? Of course because the only people worse than filthy Ukrainians would be the Germans themselves right? The actual Nazi's.

Right?

Why don't we all attest to our desire to see Germany crumble, and be subjugated by its neighbors. That's only just no?

Or we could step back from the Russian troll Irina and remember that anti-semitism was a horrible scourge all over Europe, including Ukraine, for a thousand years. And if Ukraine has a hope of coming to grips with it, and doing what Germany has done to come to terms with it, it will have to get out from under the only thing that compares to Nazism for brutality.... Russian colonialism.

For a good study of what happened in Ukraine, yes including Ukrainian antisemitism and genocide, read...

https://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/bo...emorialization.

Actually it’s just a name. I’m actually Scottish, Irish, and Ukrainian, but thanks for the German/Russian assumption.

Strange we stand with Ukraine so much, I guess it’s what the media says to do. I’m not trolling, I just don’t agree with Canada being put into the poor house every time zelensky cries. At some point we have to take care of our own, or we will go bankrupt.

I guess one might think that Ukraine knowing how bad Russia is and living next to them would have had an extremely powerful military, for such times as these.

[shooter12]

Originally Posted by Irina

I’m sure you will tell me… me thinks Germany in 1939.

Who do you think did a ton of the Germans dirty work and killing of the Jews?

By some reason in USSR they always forget to show to the public parade of nazi and soviets when they divided Poland in 1939. Many people still did not see this video.
So, who started WW2?Was it only Germany?
S12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyyfJUokI-I

[Grizzly Adams1]

I’m not trolling, I just don’t agree with Canada being put into the poor house every time zelensky cries. At some point we have to take care of our own, or we will go bankrupt.

A lot more than the Ukrainians hanging on our teats, I hate to say.

[sjemac]

Let Ukraine fight its own battle but give them every resource needed to do so. I would rather fight Putin and win with my cash and taxes now than with my sons’ blood 10 years from now.

Because if Ukraine loses, that is the reality, despite what the big orange Oompa Loompa wants to say.

[Mr Flyguy]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Let Ukraine fight its own battle but give them every resource needed to do so. I would rather fight Putin and win with my cash and taxes now than with my sons’ blood 10 years from now.

Because if Ukraine loses, that is the reality, despite what the big orange Oompa Loompa wants to say.

Once again I have to ask the armchair generals here: what does "win" mean?

[shooter12]

Originally Posted by Mr Flyguy

Once again I have to ask the armchair generals here: what does "win" mean?

The win means to make sure Russia will loose the habit to atack their neighbors for good , once and forever, and would stay where it is now within its internationally recognized borders.
Not a general here but that is what all this Kursk operations are about.
In another words its not the only one bitch with a gun around here and other nations will show russia its place in this world .
S12

[Irina]

Originally Posted by shooter12

The win means to make sure Russia will loose the habit to atack their neighbors for good , once and forever, and would stay where it is now within its internationally recognized borders.
Not a general here but that is what all this Kursk operations are about.
In another words its not the only one bitch with a gun around here and other nations will show russia its place in this world .
S12

Until china stands up along their friends Russia.

[shooter12]

Originally Posted by Irina

Until china stands up along their friends Russia.

China has only one friend and its...China...lol
S12

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Irina

It was the Ukrainians that did a lot of hitlers dirty work with the killing of the Jews. Lots don’t know that either.

I think I can reply to this one… yes the Ukrainian nationalist, traitors, the Galitzia SS brigade did kill a lot of Jews along with others. The Hungarians, Romanian and Yugoslavians did help them also. Anti- semitism wasn’t something unheard of in Ukraine or anywhere else in Eastern Europe… Ukrainian nationalists who were collaborating with nazis were especially eager to please their new German owners…

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Yes the did. They partnered with the Nazis in 1939, and started the war by invading Poland. They then went onto invade other countries. It's amazing how many people, don't know the history of something as big and well documented as WW2.

Quote;
"The war in Europe began on 23 August 1939, when the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed a pact that created a partnership between them in dividing up Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe. Under the terms of this pact, the German Wehrmacht moved into western Poland on 1 September 1939, and the Soviet Red Army moved en masse into eastern Poland sixteen days later."

Stalin and Hitler had a little disagreement in 1941 forcing the russians to switch sides, and then the russians pretended like the previous partnership had never happened.

https://daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu/...ties-and-myths

SHHHHHH.... How dare you bring facts into a feelings conversation!

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Irina

It was the Ukrainians that did a lot of hitlers dirty work with the killing of the Jews. Lots don’t know that either.

Wait… putin said there has never been an Ukraine so it was all Russia then.

Regardless. It’s a stupid argument to say Russia should take Ukraine because of WWII atrocities. History also states Russia suppressed Ukraine horribly and they thought Nazis would be better. US kept out of the war and some historians said US leadership was aligned with Hitler. Danes, Italians and others supported Hitler as did some other factions and areas of Europe. Ultimately all came to realize what a monster that regime was. Same as has happened to the Russian monster.

Now Ukraines Jewish and Russian speaking president is standing strong AGAINST oppression and for freedom. When the west offered Zelenskyy a chance to run… instead he asked for weapons. At the same time Putin cowered away from crowds and used body doubles.

It’s a sad person that says Ukraine should lose. Just morally and ethically sad. All our WWII soldiers would turn over in there grave over people wanting to cower to dictators.

Some saw no one should vote for dictator Trudeau… but in the same breath support Putin who is 1 million times worse.

It’s a crazy world.

But back to the topic at hand. Ukraine has done amazing things in their push into Russia. Once again showing Russia has a horrible military.

Stay safe… all Ukraine freedom fighters.

Sun

[32-40win]

Russians weren't all that fussy who they killed or shipped east from Poland from 1939 to 41, certainly did not like capitalistic or educated Poles, they weren't all that kind to Polish Communists either. Good number of stories from SHOAH, etc, of people who fled east in 39 and then a couple of wks later, decided that wasn't such a great idea, and wound up in as bad or maybe even a worse situation, than if they'd stayed in the west, many were just used as slave labor in Poland. And then came 1941 and if they weren't screwed before, they were then.
Russians appear to have done some of the same in Ukraine over the last couple of years, sending people for "reorientation" etc. Not as bad as Stalin, but certainly gravitating in the same direction over time.

[32-40win]

The RU is upset about various journalists being allowed into Kursk area, "there will be repercussions".
More stuff about RU friendly fire incidents, possibly some on purpose, courtesy of the FSB or Kadyrovite blocking troops, some that are just drunk and shooting at their own, some by their own artillery or airstrikes. RU soldiers doing some very nasty stuff with some Uke POW's, heads on a pike . Some big electrical outages east and north of Kursk area. Ukes are courting ex-F16 pilots, some are signing up. Germans are freezing any new aid funds not already committed to. US still blocking use of long range weapons.
Apparently 700 or so RU troops trapped in a cauldron, two bridges bombed by UAF, and a river, trapping them. RU is supposed to be moving floating bridges in, they haven't done well with that in the past. Korenovo is supposed to be under UAF control now. Highway cut, that will block reinforcements coming friom the east, a big rail jam to the north around Oryol. All of this is supposed to have opened a big area to the northwest that RU can't reinforce easily now. Have upwards of 2k RU POW's now. And the Russians deny all of this, the incursion has been stopped days ago, and all the UAF armor destroyed, at least twice over.
Somewhere along the course of this, Budanov has to have cracked a hint of a smile.

[fishnguy]

This is a good short read from Jack Watling:

Ukraine’s extraordinary incursion into Kursk has changed the narrative of the war – but is a high-risk strategy

The key paragraphs (greatly resonates with what I discussed previously, but now from someone worth listening to, lol):

While the Kursk operation is politically significant, a parallel series of Ukrainian strikes targeting Russian airfields is more militarily advantageous. Russian aircraft have been central to both the long-range strikes on Ukraine’s critical national infrastructure, and the glide bomb attacks on frontline positions that are inflicting heavy losses on Ukraine. Damaging planes is vital in reducing pressure on Ukraine’s defences.

There is a limit to how successful Ukraine can be. It was suffering from a shortage of troops to rotate and hold the line prior to its operation in Kursk. Now it has pulled together what was available as an operational reserve and committed it to a new axis. There is a limit to how far this force can push before it overextends, meaning it will need to dig in soon if the Ukrainians are to hold the ground until negotiations. But as soon as the front stops being dynamic, the Russians will dig defences and then bring up artillery, electronic warfare complexes and fresh troops. In the short term, the operation has diverted the weight of Russian air-delivered bombs away from Donbas, but this will be temporary. Russia has enough personnel and equipment to fight both fronts. It is less clear that this is true for Ukraine.

The military risks build with time. Having committed its operational reserve, Ukraine will struggle to plug gaps in the line, and it has not yet managed to resolve the threat posed by Russian reconnaissance drones, glide bombs, artillery, electronic warfare and operational-tactical missile complexes. Collectively these capabilities are allowing Russia to continue a steady advance to Pokrovsk, Toretsk and other towns in Donbas. These towns will soon be depopulated, and defending them will be resource-intensive.

The best-case scenario for Ukraine is that its units dig in and Russia – feeling compelled to retake the ground – suffers inordinate losses in trying to push the Ukrainians back. It is also possible, however, that the stretching of Ukrainian resources will increase opportunities for the Russians to find the seams in Ukraine’s defences and make advances elsewhere. If the latter dynamic unfolds, then it is not clear that the seized terrain will carry much weight in negotiations, as Vladimir Putin will be quite willing to absorb the losses to remove the issue from talks.

The other long-term challenge posed by Ukraine’s operation is the equipment that is being lost. Just as a Trump presidency will probably force Ukraine into negotiations, a Harris victory in November would see the likely continuation of military-technical assistance from the US. Even so, there are limited reserves of equipment. Ukraine could have been building units for larger-scale offensives next year, but this operation means critical vehicles and personnel – necessary for such an offensive – will probably be committed prematurely. The operation therefore limits future options.

I also saw plenty of supporting evidence (including actual strike counts) of the fact that the number of air strikes in Donbas has not been reduced since the Kursk offensive began. Jack says that it has and I am sure he has his reasons. He may also be referring to the fact that the number of strikes has been steadily increasing, but now remains steady? No idea.

[Sundancefisher]

https://youtu.be/e-FiXTZZlZo?feature=shared

He does a good job pointing out the successes and pitfalls and potential strategies and what’s going on along the front. Risks and rewards.

I like his videos.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

This is a good short read from Jack Watling:

And an even better read from Jack Watling

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-support-kyiv?

This is a war that can be won. The recent successful strike on the Russian landing ship Novocherkassk in harbour, protected by layers of Russian defences, shows how Ukraine can make effective use of the equipment that it is supplied with. But European security must not be squandered by more complacency.

It’s clear to everyone that now more than ever the west and especially the EU must go all out to give Ukraine all the weapons and logistical support possible to push Russia out. That must include use of long range missiles to strike military targets anywheres in Russia.

They use such weapons from other countries to target all over Ukraine.

Just let them do it without prior warning.

A flurry of 1000 missiles hitting all logistical hubs, training grounds, airforce bases, marine bases, stockpiling centers, manufacturing sites for weapons, key railroad and infrastructure hubs… then Russia would be hurting and need it to stop.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

A flurry of 1000 missiles hitting all logistical hubs, training grounds, airforce bases, marine bases, stockpiling centers, manufacturing sites for weapons, key railroad and infrastructure hubs… then Russia would be hurting and need it to stop.

Is that what Watling said?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Is that what Watling said?

lol

He stated very clearly he believes an Ukraine victory is possible if the EU and west contribute with weapons.

Let’s go Ukraine!

Go home Russians!

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by KGB

I think I can reply to this one… yes the Ukrainian nationalist, traitors, the Galitzia SS brigade did kill a lot of Jews along with others. The Hungarians, Romanian and Yugoslavians did help them also. Anti- semitism wasn’t something unheard of in Ukraine or anywhere else in Eastern Europe… Ukrainian nationalists who were collaborating with nazis were especially eager to please their new German owners…

Henry Ford was a virulent anti Semite and pretty cozy with Hitler as well. Anti-Semitism wasn't just a European thing, question being how far it would have gone if the appropriate totalitarian government came to power here ?

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

lol

He stated very clearly he believes an Ukraine victory is possible if the EU and west contribute with weapons.

Let’s go Ukraine!

Go home Russians!

What you suggested in that paragraph falls strictly into the Russian nuclear doctrine. This is not even a question or a debate. In a situation like that, there would be an immediate nuclear response, Ukraine will permanently disappear, as well as likely Poland, much of Europe likely badly hurt (this is an understatement). The United States would be hit very seriously as well, but not as bad as Europe simply due to the size of the landmass (my guess). I am sure we would get hit as well, at least centres, mostly in Ontario, but maybe Edmonton and something like Fort Mac as well. So in this case, we can debate what would get hit and what wouldn’t, but the fact there would be such a response is undebatable - this is clear as day. What Putin or some extremist Russian politician or “analyst” said previously up until now is completely irrelevant in this case. This is why what you suggested is not going to happen.

I should also mention that the article you cited is more than a half a year old. Things change. Jack is also pushing for the case for Europe to step up. Europe, however, simply does not have the resources to tip the scale towards the “winning”. This is simply a reality. They failed to deliver the artillery they promised last year, and miserably so. They failed again with the “Czech initiative” or whatever they called it, again miserably. We paid good money into the latter, by the way. And so on. Which is why Jack suggested in the new (but apparently worse, lol) article I cited that if the USA drops their aid (or even reduces it, frankly), Ukraine will have to negotiate peace of some kind. He is pretty clear about that. And it is not only him, it is everyone else who understands what is happening and how things work, including the Ukrainians (maybe not the general public?). Without the participation of the Americans, this conflict ends rather quickly (I am not talking about days, obviously). This is just a fact if life, I guess.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Wait… putin said there has never been an Ukraine so it was all Russia then.

This doesn’t make any sense. Especially because the poster said “Ukrainians” not “Ukraine”.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Regardless. It’s a stupid argument to say Russia should take Ukraine because of WWII atrocities.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

History also states Russia suppressed Ukraine horribly and they thought Nazis would be better.

This again doesn’t make sense. Because one is treated horribly, one doesn’t join the extermination squads to rid of other people in horrible ways, by hundreds of thousands. I do not believe any reasonable person should accept the argument.

At the same time, these were an absolute minority in the grand scheme of things. You (and the other guy) are making it sound like the entire country did that. The majority either fought the Nazis in the ranks of the Red Army because they were part of the country (the USSR) or worked to provide the front with what was needed.

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

US kept out of the war and some historians said US leadership was aligned with Hitler. Danes, Italians and others supported Hitler as did some other factions and areas of Europe. Ultimately all came to realize what a monster that regime was.

And ultimately none of the aforementioned have monuments to their “veterans” wearing Nazi uniform or celebrating those people today (special few aside, that are for whatever reason are being “tolerated” by us (read the rest of the West).

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

When the west offered Zelenskyy a chance to run… instead he asked for weapons. At the same time Putin cowered away from crowds and used body doubles.

Sundance, do you realize that the former most likely didn’t happen, right? And that it is likely a script, right?

As for the latter, that belongs on the shelve with the pizza parlour thst Democrats frequent, faked moon landings, flat earth, and other similar ish. Common, man, seriously.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Henry Ford was a virulent anti Semite and pretty cozy with Hitler as well. Anti-Semitism wasn't just a European thing, question being how far it would have gone if the appropriate totalitarian government came to power here ?

Isn’t there a series… hmm, whatever it is called. Some fantasy stuff, as if the Germans won and the United States is ruled by the American Nazis?

The world is of full idiots though. Saw an interesting bit posted not long ago by the guy I kind of follow from the book on Colditz by Ben MacIntyre he was/is reading:



French lined up their Jews pretty well during the war. Pretty crazy if you think about it: didn’t participate in the monstrosities, but were happy to organize ghettos and send them off for “processing” thereafter.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Henry Ford was a virulent anti Semite and pretty cozy with Hitler as well. Anti-Semitism wasn't just a European thing, question being how far it would have gone if the appropriate totalitarian government came to power here ?

That is absolutely correct, and that’s why older generation of Jews don’t drive Lincoln or Ford vehicles…. Even during the latest conflict between Israel and Palestinians the Ford building in Detroit was lit in Palestinians colours….

[KGB]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Isn’t there a series… hmm, whatever it is called. Some fantasy stuff, as if the Germans won and the United States is ruled by the American Nazis?

The world is of full idiots though. Saw an interesting bit posted not long ago by the guy I kind of follow from the book on Colditz by Ben MacIntyre he was/is reading:



French lined up their Jews pretty well during the war. Pretty crazy if you think about it: didn’t participate in the monstrosities, but were happy to organize ghettos and send them off for “processing” thereafter.

You probably don’t know about the Baltic states… Population in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania were notorious for searching for Jews and sending them to the camps…

[32-40win]

Pretty good summation of where things are, or aren't, in this current situation in Russia, Perun has earned plenty of accolades from significant folk as to how he does his stuff;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTIpVqpLwkk

The US sent plenty of people to the Soviet Union in 1941/42 to teach them how to build mass production plants and operate them. Ford was heavily represented in that crowd. Don't forget the boatload of Jews floating around in the Atlantic, off N America, that nobody would accept, including Canada, and that Jewish immigration from EU was restricted after the war for quite a while too. None of the Allied countries were innocent on that point.
As to the Baltic states, look up a site called Gulag Online, then look up the Rumbula Forest massacre to see what the Germans did, they will lead to a lot of other places.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Pretty good summation of where things are, or aren't, in this current situation in Russia, Perun has earned plenty of accolades from significant folk as to how he does his stuff;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTIpVqpLwkk

The US sent plenty of people to the Soviet Union in 1941/42 to teach them how to build mass production plants and operate them. Ford was heavily represented in that crowd. Don't forget the boatload of Jews floating around in the Atlantic, off N America, that nobody would accept, including Canada, and that Jewish immigration from EU was restricted after the war for quite a while too. None of the Allied countries were innocent on that point.
As to the Baltic states, look up a site called Gulag Online, then look up the Rumbula Forest massacre to see what the Germans did, they will lead to a lot of other places.

Thanks, that’s absolutely true! As for Rumbula forest- I actually have been there. Long time ago. Been to Hatin village in Belorussian too, Brest fortress, and a few other places…

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

What you suggested in that paragraph falls strictly into the Russian nuclear doctrine. This is not even a question or a debate. In a situation like that, there would be an immediate nuclear response, Ukraine will permanently disappear, as well as likely Poland, much of Europe likely badly hurt (this is an understatement). The United States would be hit very seriously as well, but not as bad as Europe simply due to the size of the landmass (my guess). I am sure we would get hit as well, at least centres, mostly in Ontario, but maybe Edmonton and something like Fort Mac as well. So in this case, we can debate what would get hit and what wouldn’t, but the fact there would be such a response is undebatable - this is clear as day. What Putin or some extremist Russian politician or “analyst” said previously up until now is completely irrelevant in this case. This is why what you suggested is not going to happen.

I should also mention that the article you cited is more than a half a year old. Things change. Jack is also pushing for the case for Europe to step up. Europe, however, simply does not have the resources to tip the scale towards the “winning”. This is simply a reality. They failed to deliver the artillery they promised last year, and miserably so. They failed again with the “Czech initiative” or whatever they called it, again miserably. We paid good money into the latter, by the way. And so on. Which is why Jack suggested in the new (but apparently worse, lol) article I cited that if the USA drops their aid (or even reduces it, frankly), Ukraine will have to negotiate peace of some kind. He is pretty clear about that. And it is not only him, it is everyone else who understands what is happening and how things work, including the Ukrainians (maybe not the general public?). Without the participation of the Americans, this conflict ends rather quickly (I am not talking about days, obviously). This is just a fact if life, I guess.


This doesn’t make any sense. Especially because the poster said “Ukrainians” not “Ukraine”.

putin said Ukraine wasn’t an entity. It was making fun of his stupid statement. Looking deeper into the comment was not worth it.


I agree. woohoo


This again doesn’t make sense. Because one is treated horribly, one doesn’t join the extermination squads to rid of other people in horrible ways, by hundreds of thousands. I do not believe any reasonable person should accept the argument.

this narrative that Ukraine is a bunch of Nazis… what the Russia media propaganda push for year was trying to build to justify a war is false. What any country did back when is a non argument. One could say the Swiss supported the Nazi war machine monetarily. Many Danes and Belgians supported Hitler… as was the case in some circles in the UK and North America. Canada even turned away Jewish refugees and if I recall some ended up back in Germany and were killed. As a country at the time… they weren’t ardent Nazis. They had been pushed into a corner by Russia and as such looked to someplace better. Turned out it wasn’t for the. So much either and like most countries they turned away from Nazism. Many Ukraines also fought in the resistance. People tend to dwell on the narrative to support their argument… or just to argue. I agree that the majority of Ukrainians were not Nazis. However some have bought into this as an excuse for war.

At the same time, these were an absolute minority in the grand scheme of things. You (and the other guy) are making it sound like the entire country did that. The majority either fought the Nazis in the ranks of the Red Army because they were part of the country (the USSR) or worked to provide the front with what was needed.

maybe you are mixing up posters? I’ve never said most of Ukraine were Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrain...h_Nazi_Germany Many summaries to find.

And ultimately none of the aforementioned have monuments to their “veterans” wearing Nazi uniform or celebrating those people today (special few aside, that are for whatever reason are being “tolerated” by us (read the rest of the West).

I’m not familiar with Nazi statues in Ukraine. We’ve had a ton of statues pulled down or spray painted. Can’t speak to the Ukrainian statues and why they were put up or what. Are they commemorated for killing Jews, or fighting Russians or what? Not sure. Maybe pick one and we can research it.

Sundance, do you realize that the former most likely didn’t happen, right? And that it is likely a script, right?

As for the latter, that belongs on the shelve with the pizza parlour thst Democrats frequent, faked moon landings, flat earth, and other similar ish. Common, man, seriously. if you don’t like Zelenskyy it’s easy to say it’s a script. Fact is he said it. It’s searchable. He was being hunted by Russian assassins and stayed put. Very courageous in anyone’s books.

Its well know Putin has body doubles. He also uses the same people over and over again in state videos. People he feels safe around. He’s also scared of germs and is rarely seen near average folks.

Is Ukraine solidifying their position in Russia? Are they taking more ground?

Give this a watch. He explains well.

https://youtu.be/lSj-9bDSgcY?feature=shared