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Old 08-15-2024, 07:13 AM
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When war started how many years ago I thought the Russians would crush them in a few weeks. Now the Ukrainians are taking Russian ground and been holding it for a week now.
Russian Navy scared to sail anywhere close to Ukraine.
Wow! I know nothing about modern war or foreign stuff but Russian military appears to be a toothless tiger!
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Old 08-15-2024, 09:29 AM
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How times change....
2022 russia had second best army in the world
2023 russia had second best army in Ukraine
2024 russia had second best army in russia
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Old 08-15-2024, 11:37 AM
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So, the UAF has apparently forced the RU to shut down the rail conn from Belarus to Smolensk, and all the rail conn into Kursk and Bryansk, which is essentially, the area that the Rzhev meatgrinder was fought in 1941/42/43. south to the area the battle of Kursk was fought in 1943 as well. Granted, a lot less troops involved on both sides, but, as they apparently do depend incredibly heavliy on rail transport, seems somewhat disproportonate to the size of the UAF incursion, and this little thread,which is from July 2022, paints a pic of that effect, which will now be multiplied due to rail interruptions thru the Kursk/Belgorod area, and that ties up a lot of people in the rear, and the Russians are worse off than they were last year when it comes to trucks and post rail transport to the front areas. A small move like this current incursion, invasion, call it what you will, can have some serious ripple effects that will take time for the RU to to fix. It will take time, but, while NLAW, Javelin and Stinger helped Ukraine win the Battle of Kyiv; now CAESAR, AHS Krab, PzH 2000 and especially GMLRS and drones, will help once again.


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russian logistics depots are always close to railways as russia's military has a serious lack of logistic units, especially transport units.

This is compounded by russia's military being corrupt and technologically backwards, even eschewing things like forklifts or cranes.

So russian supplies and ammo are loaded by hand onto trains, transported towards the front, unloaded there by hand, loaded onto trucks by hand, and then driven to the frontline units, where it is unloaded again by hand.

It's time consuming. No other army is so backwards.

So how did russian ammo supply in Donbas work until Ukraine received M142 HIMARS with long-range GMLRS rockets and highly accurate PzH 2000, AHS Krab, and CAESAR self-propelled howitzers?

Well:
1) in russia 2,000 to 4,000 of tons of ammo were loaded onto a train
2) the train entered Ukraine, stopped at various points 30-40 km from the front, ammo was unloaded and stored nearby
3) then frontline units sent their trucks to pick up the ammo they needed

The same applied for fuel, spares, food, etc.

2) the train entered Ukraine, stopped at various points 30-40 km from the front, ammo was unloaded and stored nearby
3) then frontline units sent their trucks to pick up the ammo they needed

The same applied for fuel, spares, food, etc.

When russia's military can't access railways then its entire logistics system collapses.
The russian advance East of Kyiv failed when the russians couldn't capture the railways passing through Chernihiv and Sumy oblasts. With cities like Nizhyn, Chernihiv and Sumy stubbornly defended by Ukrainian troops, russia had to truck its supplies to its troops East of Kyiv... and that failed spectacularly, as russian troops can't move more than 90-100 km from their supply depots and at that range russia can only supply its units for defensive operations.
The distance from railways in russia to Brovary outside Kyiv is 350 km... 300 km of which were swarming with Ukrainian special forces and partisans looking to blow up russian supply columns (photo).

Now in Donbas, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia russia can supply its troops by train.

This allows russia to bring forward the 10,000s of tons of artillery ammo it expends every week; and send the replacement tanks, howitzers, etc. needed to replace russia's immense material losses, and the needed fuel.

But now, the russian ammo depots and supply points, are within range of artillery and rockets.

AHS Krab, PzH 2000, and CAESAR can use base bleed projectiles with 40 km range (photo: a CAESAR firing a base bleed projectile).
Furthermore these howitzers' use modern fire control systems, which use GPS to establish their own position and then use the target's GPS coordinates to calculate the correct elevation and deflection of the barrel, then automatically move the barrel into position. All three systems also use radar to measure a fired projectile's speed & adjust the barrel after each shot. Never before had Ukraine artillery with such accuracy and such range. This allows Ukraine to hit russian supply depots up to 35 km behind the front with pinpoint accuracy.

And thanks to 10,000s of Ukrainian patriots in the russian occupied territories Ukraine knows the locations. And now Ukraine also received GMLRS. GMLRS retains full accuracy up to 85 km. This allows Ukraine to land a rocket precisely onto a building 85 km away and set the fuze to detonate the 50 pounds of PBX-109 inside the building.
And if it is a large target (i.e. a warehouse) then Ukraine can hit it even if it is further away then 85 km.

These two new artillery capabilities have two effects:

1) russia is right now losing 1,000s of tons of ammo
2) russia can't store ammo within 100 km of the front

Every destroyed depot reduces the ammo available to russia's massive number of artillery systems at the front. And russia has to replace this lost ammo. First it can't produce as much as it uses and loses, so russia is already shipping old Soviet ammo from Belarus to Donbas.

Secondly russia can't bring this ammo within range of Ukrainian artillery and GMLRS... and has to stop the trains now 90-100 km away from the front or else the ammo dump and train will be destroyed by Ukrainian artillery.

Ammo and supplies 100 km from the front means hat russia again has to rely on trucks to supply its frontline units.
But russia already lost thousands of its truck fleet and the remainder has been in use for months now - and russia's famous lack of maintenance is surely taking a huge toll on the remaining trucks.

So how will russian logistics "work" now?

1) trains will stop 100 km from the front and ammo will be unloaded by hand
2) trucks will be loaded by hand and then drive to the front. Loading by hand takes hours and driving 100 km in a rear combat zone takes more hours, Worse for russia - russian trucks carry less tonnage then Western military trucks and unlike Western ammo russian ammo comes in bulky wooden boxes.

• russian ammo trucks transport mostly wood
• Western ammo trucks (photo) transport almost only bang🔥
3) the russian trucks finally arrive at the front
4) the ammo is unloaded (by hand)
5) the trucks return to the railheads

At this distance russian truckers will struggle to make more than one supply run per day... and if the russians don't plan their supply runs perfectly.

hen some units will get too little ammo, others too much - which is worse: because what do you with the extra ammo? Drop it on the ground or have the trucks stay with the unit until the ammo is needed?
If you drop it on the ground and the unit has to move... well then the ammo is lost. If you keep the trucks with the unit, then no one is driving back to get more ammo.

And while NATO armies use software and AI to plan their supply runs, russians use officers' guts... this wouldn't matter if russia had enough trucks, but having lost so many, trucks of the already few ones it began the war with russia is now even less capable to supply units 100 km from railways.

russia is a 20th century military with 19th century logistics... and now it is fighting an army receiving 21st century weapons.
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So when does the Ukraine funding stop now they have pushed them out? Just asking before we are living in the ditch eating worms.
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It'll stop when zelenski and Trudeau have enough money hidden and all their friends and family are set for life.
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So when does the Ukraine funding stop now they have pushed them out? Just asking before we are living in the ditch eating worms.
You need better source for news if you think the russian invaders have been cleared out of Ukraine. There's a whole lot of work left to go.
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I'm sure Canada can easily print another trillion for Zelotsky.
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It'll stop when zelenski and Trudeau have enough money hidden and all their friends and family are set for life.
Lol, yeah, a 2 years long war, thousands dead, living in a bunker, multiple assassination attempts, all to enrich himself.

And Putin is as pure as the driven snow, selfless, generous to a fault, always putting his countrymen first leaving himself practically destitute.

I got some ocean front property to sell ya.
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Is he out of toilet paper?
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Lol, yeah, a 2 years long war, thousands dead, living in a bunker, multiple assassination attempts, all to enrich himself.

And Putin is as pure as the driven snow, selfless, generous to a fault, always putting his countrymen first leaving himself practically destitute.

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Any ET's reading Earth News today would think that Ukraine is winning...whatever winning means in this debacle.

Monkey pox will soon level any "playing fields" over the next year.
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You need better source for news if you think the russian invaders have been cleared out of Ukraine. There's a whole lot of work left to go.
I guess more money needs to be laundered. We will have to give it another year, maybe Canada will finally be totally broke.
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You need better source for news if you think the russian invaders have been cleared out of Ukraine. There's a whole lot of work left to go.
I’m sure you are donating what you can. Atta boy.
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My younger brother who is Sargent in Ukrainian National Guard 14 asault brigade went on mission and I a bit loosing when waiting for him come back for rotation
BTW Kharkiv is Ukraine because his famous special forces batalion "Jaguar" in 2014 kicked off Russians from Kharkiv who tried make it russian the same as Donetsk

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Sailor, hope your brother stays safe and uninjured.

Re equipment losses. Russians started losing “real” equipment - that is, armour. However, since the last post, Ukraine added 22 to their losses - 4 AFVs, 15 IMVs, 1 MLRS, 1 engineering vehicle; while Russia added 5 - 2 tanks, 3 AFVs. For the total, per this source 51 to 27.

Both of the Russian lost tanks were captured by Ukraine and both were again their newest (T-90M and T-80BVM). Something about that theory I mentioned previously might be true.

Russia captured 5 vehicles in this last update, including 2 Strykers, which makes it 3 (or 4?) now in Kursk. They had only ever been able to capture one of those previously.

The destroyed MLRS was HIMARS, only 3rd, I believe, confirmed in this war, though there were occasional photos of the damaged ones being transported to back to the US (supposedly). This is funny in regard to the destruction of HIMARS:



This is more than a common occurrence on the internet and among the “fans”.
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Was editting my last post to add, but was too late, so here it is in another post.

Some other context and perspective from today’s Wall Street Journal article. They say that the Russian attacks on the eastern front have only increased this week. I will just quote some parts rather than waste time and summarize:

Ukraine’s Kursk operation has embarrassed Russian President Vladimir Putin and given Kyiv the tactical initiative in one area for the first time in nearly a year. But it transferred troops and weapons from its already-creaking front lines to pull it off, a gamble that risks making a bad situation worse.

“We don’t have enough people to do our job properly,” said the commander of the 21st Battalion of the Separate Presidential Brigade, which faced the Russian assault last week at the edge of the contested town of Krasnohorivka.

Russian forces have gained territory at a faster rate this summer than at any point since the first weeks of the war and are now pushing toward the logistical hub of Pokrovsk. For Ukraine, losing Pokrovsk would sever a vital artery supplying troops fighting to the northeast, including in the city of Chasiv Yar, which lies on heights that hold the key to controlling the region. On Thursday, officials in Pokrovsk began urging civilians to evacuate.



Commanders in the east describe a situation that has grown more punishing through the summer—with no sign that Russian forces are easing up since the Kursk incursion began. Despite the approval of another U.S. military aid package in April, they remain desperately low on artillery ammunition: Russia has a 10-to-1 advantage in artillery fire in some areas. In addition, the Russians are neutralizing Ukrainian drones with electronic jammers.

But the biggest factor, officers say, is the lack of manpower.

“If we’re supposed to have five or six people in a position, we’ll have two or three,” said a 45-year-old army major who has been stationed in the Chasiv Yar area for the past two months. He said they were so short-handed that cooks, mechanics and other rear personnel were being deployed to trenches. “It’s a matter of time before the enemy finds a weak spot.”

The commander of the 21st Battalion, who goes by the call sign Kucher, said that when his men arrived in the Krasnohorivka area in the spring, they had roughly the same number of men as the Russians.

Now, he said, the Russians have a manpower advantage of around five to one. Only about 20% of the casualties his battalion takes are replaced by new recruits, and the mobilized men who arrive tend to be older than those who volunteered at the start of the war. As in other brigades, the average age of infantrymen has ticked up over 40.



Other brigades in the east complained of similar ammunition shortages.

“We have orders only to shoot at stationary targets,” said Sifonesco, the 46-year-old commander of an artillery-reconnaissance unit working near Pokrovsk. “We have to wait for a tank to come to a stop before we can try to hit it.”

As in other brigades, Sifonesco said his unit is relying on explosive drones to make up for the artillery shortage. But the drones are growing less effective, he said, because Russian forces have increased their use of electronic jammers, which cut communication between the drones and their pilots. Now, only about half of the drones are reaching their targets.

“The Russians have more everything than us—more people, more guns, more shells, more ammunition,” Sifonesco said. “In the end, it makes us withdraw.”



Sending troops to Kursk, then, means taking them away from the Donetsk region. Troops in the east said they loved seeing the videos of Ukraine hitting Russian columns, but they weren’t yet convinced that sending Ukrainian troops into Russia would pay off.

“We could really use 1,000 men here,” Kucher said.


Another would be edit: here is a perspective of the area captured and controlled in Kursk and the “fog of war”:



In other words, the area of “confirmed control” by Ukraine in the Kursk region has actually decreased from yesterday. Which is why it is a good idea to wait for a week or two, especially since it doesn’t appear to be as “fluid” anymore. Looking at several maps, in the past 24 hours, Russia has certainly captured more land in Ukraine (and Russia, lol) than Ukraine did everywhere.
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Here is an example of a blog on Substack, free one, Sarcastosaurus, or Tom Cooper, an Austrian publisher, based in Austria, who specializes in war books, he is on FB as well, but, they delete a lot of his stuff on FB. He also publishes a weekly batch of stuff from Donald Hill as a summary of the week.
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Good evening everybody!

Originally, I’ve intended to continue with coverage of latest developments in Donbas. Sorry, had to change that plan and start with Kursk again. Primarily because this was a day of mass-surrenders of several Russian units. Or at least a day on which official Kyiv decided to let us know about a number of mass-surrenders.


Three of captured Akhmats… apparently, they do not count as ‘Russians’… ‘or so’….

….yet another group of troops that never surrender…
Of course, the Russians never surrender, especially not when fighting on their home-turf. Moreover, everybody knows that FSB-thugs and the Chechens of Akhmat are either ‘no Russians’, or simply do not count as such. Therefore, and obviously, it’s actually so that only a few Russians were captured, if at all…

- The biggest surrender was that by a part of the 488th Motor-Rifle Regiment, plus a squad of the 204th Spetsnaz Regiment of the Akhmat. They all held a large field fortification in the area, stuffed full with plentiful of ammo, food, and water. Could’ve resisted there ‘for years’, but were sacked by a squad of 14 operators from the Alpha SBU. A total of 102 went into captivity…. all of which is simply impossible, because, as everybody knows, the Ukrainian offensive was stopped by Pudding’s PRBS-industrialists already days ago…

- As next, the Ukrainians sacked another company from the 488th MRR… (or the 1428th MRR, which was assigned to the former): 80 went into captivity. Photos or video-stills are to follow.

- But, even more important (for reasons I’m going to explain below) was a FSB Spetsnaz unit. Part of this was caught in the open, ambushed and cut to pieces. Really: smashed. About 20 survivors were then captured in their fortified base (not related to the one of the 488th MRR, linked above).

- The next to go was a part of the 43rd Railway Brigade. Primarily convicts under contract to the Keystone Cops in Moscow….

Finally, the ZSU engineers are still busy collecting all the loot from the battlefield. Between others, this is including at least 2 T-90Ms (both were operational and promptly pressed into service with the ZSU), and a number of additional T-72s or T-90s…

Now, because of so many FSB-ers in Ukrainian captivity, and unusually, Moscow rushed to contact Kyiv – demanding an urgent prisoner exchange. Of course, Kyiv is playing it cool: hope is they might get the remaining 700+ defenders of Mariupol back.

While I’m at the topic of the Russian troops in the Kursk Oblast, I’ll update my list of units known as deployed there by now. After all, things are constantly changing. Those units known to have appeared on the battlefield so far (foremost because relatives of the Russian MIA and POWs began posting requests for information in the Russian social media) were as follows:

- Senezh GRU Spetsnaz (directly subordinated to the GenStab in Moscow)

- VKS Rifle Regiment (essentially: air force personnel re-trained as riflemen)

- 4th Tank Regiment (not sure about identity of this unit and seems it was incomplete; plus lost up to a company worth of T-72s by now)

- 9th Motor-Rifle Regiment (18th MRD, brought in from Kaliningrad)

- 22nd Motor-Rifle Regiment (72nd MRD; newly-established unit)

- 79th Motor-Rifle Regiment (withdrawn from northern Kharkiv)

- 108th VDV Regiment (7th VDV Division, from southern Zaporizhzhya)

- 217th VDV Regiment (could be 299th VDV Regiment, instead; i.e. I’m not 100% sure of this one, but if it’s around, it’s from the 98th VDV Division, currently deployed in the Bakhmut area)

- 272nd Motor-Rifle Regiment (from northern Kharkiv)

- 277th Motor-Rifle Regiment (from the 47th GTD, which is in the process of being re-built in the Oboyan area)

- 488th Motor-Rifle Regiment (was in the process of being re-built in the Voronezh area when sent to Sudzha: after all of its recent losses, anywhere else, this unit would be considered for ‘destroyed’, but, in Russia…)

- 1009th Motor-Rifle Regiment (from northern Kharkiv)

- 1428th Motor-Rifle Regiment (was attached to the 488th)

- 1st Motor-Rifle Brigade (DPR, from Ocheretyne area)

- 11th VDV Brigade (elements, from Bakhmut)

- 15th Motor-Rifle Brigade (LPR, re-filled by Russians)

- 38th Motor-Rifle Brigade (from Zaporizhzhya)

- 60th Motor-Rifle Brigade (at least its 28th Battalion, previously deployed in the Urozhayne area)

- 64th Motor-Rifle Brigade (from Zaporizhzhya)

- 138th Motor-Rifle Brigade (northern Kharkiv)

- 155th Naval Infantry Brigade (was in the process of re-building in the Kursk area, by crews of warships re-trained as riflemen; formerly deployed in Vovchansk)

- 200th Arctic Motor-Rifle Brigade (re-built for some 4th or 5th time since February 2022; a battalion was re-deployed to Kursk from the Bakhmut area).

- 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (re-built for 3rd or 4th time since February 2023 alone, in same fashion like the 155th)

Finally, there are two Akhmat units – which, the way I understand that, actually belong to the Rosgvardia:

- 204th Spetsnaz Regiment (lost a lots of troops, already)

- 1434th Territorial Motor-Rifle Regiment (used to operate as a part of the 42nd MRD at earlier times; also lost a lots of troops in recent fighting).

Plus, word is that two battalions of ex-Wagner have arrived: I’m not 100% sure, but seems that one is assigned to the 11th VDV, the other to the 810th Naval Infantry.

(Of course: corrections and further input are most welcome.)

With other words: while yes, about 50% of these units were already in Russia, and in the process of being re-built with help of recruits and mobiks, the other half was still withdrawn from battlefields in Ukraine. Plus, the mass of these units are nothing comparable to their former fame. For example, the 11th VDV: ‘elite of the VDV’, ‘conquerors’ of Nova Kakhovka and Kherson… AFAIK, that unit suffered heavy losses at Mykolaiv, Bashtanka and Voznesensk… lately, it was fighting for Chasiv Yar and helped seize the (ruins of the) Kanal District. So, potentially, a highly effective unit. However, after all the losses of the last 2,5 years – and especially the last few months in the Bakhmut area – it’s only a pale shadow of its former power. Similar is valid for the 108th and 217th VDV Regiments: both have suffered extensive losses since February 2022 and had to be rebuilt with mobiks from the Russian League of Paratroopers.

Of course, the FSB … heck… what a shame: I can’t even continue ridiculing the GenStab in Moscow, or the Keystone Cops (the Russian Ministry of Defence), because in Kursk it’s the FSB that’s in charge… anyway… the FSB is cold-blooded and merciless. They’re going to impose a reign of terror in the three districts of this oblast in which the ‘emergency’ was declared: they must be expected to run around wearing ZSU uniforms, loot and murder, and blame Ukraine for this, plus treat all of the VSRF and VDV as ‘cattle’. Because FSB is simply ‘better’…

And, characters like Lieutenant-General Alexander Duymin from FSB (‘Conqueror of the Crimea’, back in 2014), must be expected not to care the last how little training the VSRF’s recruits have got, or not at all. The currently valid law is only prohibiting the deployment of the recruits outside Russia. Plus: the mass of scared teenagers in question is easy to force into sighting contracts...

With other words: the situation with VSRF’s units deployed in the Kursk oblast is going to continue changing in the coming days and weeks, as the FSB is going to continue trying to create a coherent frontline through lining-up thousands of troops.

And the ZSU?

Well, there are two thingies:

A) The ZSU has established a Military Command of the Kursk Oblast. Commander is Major-General Eduard Moskalev. His command is henceforth responsible for occupation duties in the conquered area. This is going to include policing services: after all, the Russian civilians must be administered and kept safe, no matter where. Ukrposhta is to establish its presence, there are going to be ATBs (that’s a small shops network) etc.

B) The other thing I can ‘reveal’ is that the ZSU is already rotating units in and out of the combat zone. That is: some of units that were in action since 6 August, have been withdrawn, and replaced by other units. That’s ‘good’, because after a week of intensive operations, some of units were really tired. In turn, units sent in seem to be primarily elements of what I would describe as… ‘autonomous’ brigades. Not ‘independent’ brigades, but autonomous: autonomous from training along obsolete ZSU procedures. See, units trained either according to experiences of their commanders, or in the West.

(…shouldn’t mean all of them are running post-mission de-briefs, though: tragically, that remains a rare practice within the ZSU.)

AIR/MISSLE WAR

Few updates regarding the air/missile war…

- Meanhile it’s confirmed: on 12 May, the PSU lost a MiG-29 – and then one involved in flying air strikes on the Russians in the Kursk Oblast. The pilot, Captain Oleksandr Mygulya, from the 40th Brigade, was killed. The Russian sources say, ‘shot down by MiG-31K’. However, MiG-31K is no interceptor: this is the version adapted for deployment of Kinzhal aero-ballistic missiles. Thus, I would say: actual Russian weapon that shot down this MiG remains unknown.

- A note in this regards: although I know there have been 2-3 reports about deployment of M142 HIMARS (or at least GLMRS’ from M142 launchers), that ’itch in my small toe’ is telling me that the Trio Fantasticus has imposed a ban upon their deployment inside Russia. Just like the British banned the PSU from using Storm Shadows inside Russia. And that regardless of what both the official Washington and London have stated in this regards. So, instead of HIMARS and similar stuff, the ZSU is relaying upon PSU’s fighter, bombers: MiG-29s and Su-27s using GBU-63s and HAMMERs.

- Indeed, today, the Keystone Cops in Moscow announced the destruction of a ‘HIMARS launcher’ inside Russia. Now, to me, the vehicle visible on the video does not look like M142: rather like (Turkish-made) TRG-230 or the (Czech-made) RM-70… or something else of that kind. Gauge for yourself.

Early on 15 August, the GenStab-U claimed a Su-34 of the VKS shot down over the Kursk Oblast. No other details were released, and there is no visual confirmation yet.

Ah yes… and: at least according to Russian sources, the Ukrainian UAV-strikes of the night from 13 to 14 August were much more massive than usually reported in Ukraine and the West. Correspondingly, they included a total of 117 attack UAVs and 4 Tochka-U missiles (interestingly, the Russians are not mentioning any of Ukrainian-made ballistic missiles ‘Grom-2’ any more, like back in 2023):

- Kursk: attacked by 37 UAVs and 4 Tochka-Us,

- Voronezh: attacked by 17 UAVs,

- Belgorod: attacked by 17 UAVs,

- Savasleyka: attacked by 11 UAVs,

- Volgograd: attacked by 9 UAVs,

- Bryansk: attacked by 3 UAVs,

- Oryol: attacked by 2 UAVs,

- Rostov-na-dno: attacked 1 UAV

Of course, all of these were claimed shot down. So also the UAV that clearly hit the tarmac of Savasleyka, although the Russian Pantsyrs opened fire at it.
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This war will not be won( or ended) on a battlefield but rather behind the curtains, political curtains. I don’t see any other ways around it.
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I’m sure you are donating what you can. Atta boy.
Tax dollars only, and hopefully a lot more of those.
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Just tax dollars?
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Yup. Those tax dollars purchase weapons that are used to put down russians. What are you donating to Putin other than keyboard strokes?
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Yup. What are you donating to Putin other than keyboard strokes?
Nothing for Russia, I would let them sort it out, but I have to donate to a comedian who dressed in leather and made sick motions to other men, but turned into William Wallace.
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Nothing… let them sort it out.
If the russians had been dealt with properly after they started WW2 we wouldn't be in this situation now.
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If the russians had been dealt with properly when they started WW2 we wouldn't be in this situation now.
They started ww2?
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What year ww2 started do you think?
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What year ww2 started do you think?
I’m sure you will tell me… me thinks Germany in 1939.

Who do you think did a ton of the Germans dirty work and killing of the Jews?

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They started ww2?
Yes the did. They partnered with the Nazis in 1939, and started the war by invading Poland. They then went onto invade other countries. It's amazing how many people, don't know the history of something as big and well documented as WW2.

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Stalin and Hitler had a little disagreement in 1941 forcing the russians to switch sides, and then the russians pretended like the previous partnership had never happened.

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