Connor McDavid: Greatness Walks Among Us

[elkhunter11]

Working hard, to set an example , is one component of leadership, but there is a lot more to it than that. If you have ever been in a leadership position in your career, you should get a better idea of just how much is involved to get your employees to want to work for you.

[creeky]

Surprised no ones mentioned Peter Forsberg-Chris Terriens take is pretty spot on:

"It was also in Denver that Forsberg got Chris Therien. Ahead of games against Forsberg, the longtime Flyers defenseman, he’d remind himself: Get prepared for the reverse checks. Forsberg caught him once, sometime in the mid-’90s in Denver. And once was enough.

Therien, when he was finished with a string of F-words and S-words and B-words, swore that he’d never let it happen again. This was a 6-foot-5, 235-pound, top-pair staple with a reputation for shutting down the elite of the elite. For Therien, Forsberg stood apart.

“If you thought you were gonna run him and dominate him physically, even for a guy my size, you were gonna have yourself a long night,” Therien told The Athletic.
“That’s what made him one of the great all-trick ponies of all time. Not a one-trick pony. He had every trick in the book,” Therien said. He played against Forsberg from the start of his career until 2005 — often matching against Forsberg’s teams in Colorado before Forsberg signed with Philadelphia in 2005. This is a guy who knows toughness. He knows skill. And he knows that the two don’t necessarily meet — certainly not in the proportions that we saw from Forsberg.

“Look at (Connor McDavid),” Therien said. “He isn’t really good. He’s really great. But he doesn’t have that physicality to him. Nobody does.

“(Forsberg) was just an incredible talent, beyond what you see even now.”


Creeky....


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[walker1]

What a great player he was. Forsberg. And to land him in the Lindross deal I think???
A shame with his injuries also. I heard he tried over 100 pairs of skates but the feet did not accept them. Oh and yeah he was a rock in the corners. The absolute best and most difficult to take a puck away from or off his feet and came in around 200 pounds but always was planted.
Yzerman had the tough task of playing in the Grez and Mario eras. Not winning any scoring race but what a leader and great player .
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[sns2]

Originally Posted by walker1

What a great player he was. Forsberg. And to land him in the Lindross deal I think???
A shame with his injuries also. I heard he tried over 100 pairs of skates but the feet did not accept them. Oh and yeah he was a rock in the corners. The absolute best and most difficult to take a puck away from or off his feet and came in around 200 pounds but always was planted.
Yzerman had the tough task of playing in the Grez and Mario eras. Not winning any scoring race but what a leader and great player .
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I always took Forsberg in my hockey pool, and he never let me down.

[Mavrick]

This McDavid kid is so talented that I was at a game one time and seen him score a goal right in front of me on the ice.

Then I look and he’s sitting in front of me, then his walking up the stairs, he’s in the bathroom, and two rows over he’s drunk as a skunk yelling his name.

He must be Jesus, he’s everywhere at one time and can change how he looks.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

This McDavid kid is so talented that I was at a game one time and seen him score a goal right in front of me on the ice.

Then I look and he’s sitting in front of me, then his walking up the stairs, he’s in the bathroom, and two rows over he’s drunk as a skunk yelling his name.

He must be Jesus, he’s everywhere at one time and can change how he looks.

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[Supergrit]

Imagine if Mario didn’t have injury and health problems for most of his career Him and Gretzky on the 1987 Canada cup must have been a nightmare to defend against

[Phil McCracken]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Working hard, to set an example , is one component of leadership, but there is a lot more to it than that. If you have ever been in a leadership position in your career, you should get a better idea of just how much is involved to get your employees to want to work for you.

Why do you always have to have the last word, whether you are right or wrong? Please get off your high horse. Please.

Back on the topic. As many have stated, he is an extremely talented athlete. Many of us are lucky to be able to watch him (as with Gretzky and many others).

Yeah, I threw in a couple of funnies about him, but all good.

We gave our grandkids tickets for Christmas to go watch him tomorrow against Ottawa. They were absolutely ecstatic! New generation absolutely love to see him play! And so do I.

But the boss didn't figure out that maybe Opa wanted to go also...hehe...all good, the kids will have a great night!...

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Phil McCracken

Why do you always have to have the last word, whether you are right or wrong? Please get off your high horse. Please.

Back on the topic. As many have stated, he is an extremely talented athlete. Many of us are lucky to be able to watch him (as with Gretzky and many others).

Yeah, I threw in a couple of funnies about him, but all good.

We gave our grandkids tickets for Christmas to go watch him tomorrow against Ottawa. They were absolutely ecstatic! New generation absolutely love to see him play! And so do I.

But the boss didn't figure out that maybe Opa wanted to go also...hehe...all good, the kids will have a great night!...

It's already Jan 5, so I guess you are overdue getting in a personal shot at me.

If you read the post just before mine, you would see me being mentioned specifically, and I responded to that post.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Working hard, to set an example , is one component of leadership, but there is a lot more to it than that. If you have ever been in a leadership position in your career, you should get a better idea of just how much is involved to get your employees to want to work for you.

So you're saying it's the coaches job to be the leader and get your employees to want to work for you then?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

So you're saying it's the coaches job to be the leader and get your employees to want to work for you then?

The coach comes up with the lines, and the plays, but the team captain also has a leadership role, and to a lesser extent the assistant captains.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The coach comes up with the lines, and the plays, but the team captain also has a leadership role, and to a lesser extent the assistant captains.

Nah. Using your analogy... The lead operators more of a mentor role. The foreman/pushes and up are the leaders
And yeah, I have been in leadership roles. Being one of the workers though, not so much. Captain/lead...same same. Why so much encumbrance on a worker?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Nah. Using your analogy... The lead operators more of a mentor role. The foreman/pushes and up are the leaders
And yeah, I have been in leadership roles. Being one of the workers though, not so much. Captain/lead...same same. Why so much encumbrance on a worker?

So in your opinion, what is the role of a team captain? What skills should a team captain possess?

[roper1]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

This McDavid kid is so talented that I was at a game one time and seen him score a goal right in front of me on the ice.

Then I look and he’s sitting in front of me, then his walking up the stairs, he’s in the bathroom, and two rows over he’s drunk as a skunk yelling his name.

He must be Jesus, he’s everywhere at one time and can change how he looks.

One more cold one & you would have seen the real Jesus

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The coach comes up with the lines, and the plays, but the team captain also has a leadership role, and to a lesser extent the assistant captains.

So where exactly is Mcdavid failing at his part of the leadership role? You obviously have inside information that the rest don’t….? Be specific and tell us how you know this…..

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

So where exactly is Mcdavid failing at his part of the leadership role? You obviously have inside information that the rest don’t….? Be specific and tell us how you know this…..

So far , he doesn't seem to be inspiring his team to play at a level that will win them a cup. Look at the teams that have won the cup lately, none of them had the top two points leaders in the league, most didn't even have one points leader.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So far , he doesn't seem to be inspiring his team to play at a level that will win them a cup. Look at the teams that have won the cup lately, none of them had the top two points leaders in the league, most didn't even have one points leader.

“Seem”………. Enough said. Have a good night.
Also. You “seem” to be implying points leaders are incapable of leafding? Why would you even say that? Is it a stipulation? lol
Have a good night elk.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

“Seem”………. Enough said. Have a good night.
Also. You “seem” to be implying points leaders are incapable of leafding? Why would you even say that? Is it a stipulation? lol
Have a good night elk.

The players skill level and his ability as a leader are very different categories, the best players skill wise, are not necessarily the best leaders, but some certainly seem to be very good leaders. Stevie Y, Crosby, and Sakic were very good leaders, and they also had a lot of points. Then there were players like Lanny McDonald, he was a great leader, but didn't score a lot of points the year Calgary won the cup.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The players skill level and his ability as a leader are very different categories, the best players skill wise, are not necessarily the best leaders, but some certainly seem to be very good leaders. Stevie Y, Crosby, and Sakic were very good leaders, and they also had a lot of points. Then there were players like Lanny McDonald, he was a great leader, but didn't score a lot of points the year Calgary won the cup.

We all know that….. thanks though.
Once again, how do you know he’s not a good leader as you stated earlier?
Which player/players doesn’t he inspire?
You said it. Tell us.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

We all know that….. thanks though.

Reading some of these posts, I think it's pretty clear we don't all know that.

[58thecat]

All I know is we here know squat about the true leadership of the oilers dressing room....or any professional current locker/dressing room.

But we are experts on opinions

[DG78]

Yzerman was apparently a very good leader. Captain at a young age. Took him over 10 years to win. He is known as one of the greatest. 99 was a self admitted quiet leader he seemed to motivate his team fairly well.
IMO there is no magic sauce on what makes a great leader on a hockey team. Look at Adam Lowry with the jets. He does not put up points but the jets follow him into battle everyday. And they are having a outstanding year.

[Gerald J]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

Imagine if Mario didn’t have injury and health problems for most of his career Him and Gretzky on the 1987 Canada cup must have been a nightmare to defend against

Good point. You have to have a little context. Every time I see stats with the top guys in the NHL over time, I think of what could have been without Mario and Orr's injuries/health. Didn't Mario take a year off from Hodgkin's and then win the scoring race the following year?

[Mb-MBR]

Originally Posted by DG78

Yzerman was apparently a very good leader. Captain at a young age. Took him over 10 years to win. He is known as one of the greatest. 99 was a self admitted quiet leader he seemed to motivate his team fairly well.
IMO there is no magic sauce on what makes a great leader on a hockey team. Look at Adam Lowry with the jets. He does not put up points but the jets follow him into battle everyday. And they are having a outstanding year.

Getting rid of Wheeler and signing Schieflie and Hellybuck into long term contracts has helped the situation. Bringing Nerdereider in was also a big plus. But I agree Lowry leads by example, does not score the goals that others do but his work ethic can't be question.

No real superstars on the team, just a bunch of players that are finally believing in a system by a group of players that want to play here, after all Winnipeg is the city that's identified the most by players as a no trade destination.

[Supergrit]

Originally Posted by Gerald J

Good point. You have to have a little context. Every time I see stats with the top guys in the NHL over time, I think of what could have been without Mario and Orr's injuries/health. Didn't Mario take a year off from Hodgkin's and then win the scoring race the following year?

He missed like 25 or 30 games the same year he got Hidgkins disease came back near the end and still won the scoring race. That year before he got sick he was on an unreal pace.
After that year I believe he would play about 60 games a year. I don’t know if he ever did play a full year.

[Supergrit]

The talent teams and players are fun to watch but in today’s cap the offensive talented teams will have hard time winning a cup. If a team wants to win a cup they would be better off to get 3 good players for the price of one Mcdavid.
A player like Mcdavid can make other players have more points then they would any were else and this will make them more expensive. Edmonton in a couple of years will have problem when they sign Draistl.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

The talent teams and players are fun to watch but in today’s cap the offensive talented teams will have hard time winning a cup. If a team wants to win a cup they would be better off to get 3 good players for the price of one Mcdavid.

I would wager there is not a single GM in the league that thinks this way.

$4 mil gets you established guys of the Radko Gudas, Joonas Korpisalo, and Corey Perry quality. Not exactly Impact Players.

Or it gets you up and comers like Bouchard, Oettinger, and Verhaeghe. Then what do you do when their contracts come up in 1-2 years and they need 9+ mil each?

A player like Mcdavid can make other players have more points then they would any were else and this will make them more expensive.

True of his linemates, but not everyone gets to play with him. And this is where good management comes into play and you try to sign guys who will fit with him to long term contracts. Hyman was a brilliant signing.

Edmonton in a couple of years will have problem when they sign Draistl.

You can pay it if it's the right guy...Kucherov vs. Huberdeau..
And providing you're smart when filling out the rest of the roster.

[Supergrit]

It’s tough to win the cup a team always has a chance if Edmonton makes the play offs this year have to see what happens. The team now is on the good contracts when a player signs the papers at 28 that’s the bad contracts. Most payers want long term and you pay for more than likely the best they ever will be. Then your paying for a player on a decline how bad the decline will be depends on the player

[58thecat]

We here on AO jinxed him.

McDavid is expected to miss 1-to-2 weeks with an upper-body injury. McDavid left Saturday's game after picking up an upper-body injury in the third period.

Heard he has a broken jaw?


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[JBE]

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