Trans mountain pipeline on hold mega thread

[BuckCuller]

It’s going to be a shame when he’s gone.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-...se-fault-it-is

[airbornedeerhunter]

Originally Posted by BuckCuller

It’s going to be a shame when he’s gone.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-...se-fault-it-is

Newfoundland's greatest export. I would love to see Rex debate the imbecile Trudeau.

[thedude99]

Noone is saying nothing after the meeting. Jim Carr said he has "a plane to catch" lol wow

Meanwhile Trudeau off to a trip to Peru while country heads towards chaos. Vacation time!

https://twitter.com/glen_mcgregor/st...16670648131585

[Ken07AOVette]

Our dollar is climbing, certainly not what I have been thinking was going to happen.

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

10:35 AM

1 USD =1.27050CAD
US Dollar
1 USD = 1.27050 CAD
↔Canadian Dollar
1 CAD = 0.787089 USD

1 USD =1.26034CAD
US Dollar
1 USD = 1.26034 CAD
↔Canadian Dollar
1 CAD = 0.793439 USD

[raab]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Our dollar is climbing, certainly not what I have been thinking was going to happen.



1 USD =1.26034CAD
US Dollar
1 USD = 1.26034 CAD
↔Canadian Dollar
1 CAD = 0.793439 USD

Im guessing it's because of the rise in oil prices, in particular the WCS price which is back up over 40 bucks today. Its interesting to look at the WCS chart. Shows how hard Canadian oil companies have been hit since 2014.

https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts

[CBintheNorth]

Here's the biggest thorn for me- the pipeline gets stalled out (looks inevitable) and now KM is looking to recuperate their lost costs. They sue the federal gov't because they are ultimately responsible for the delay and then ALL OF CANADA PAYS!!
How do you like that? The Feds are going to make us pay for a lawsuit that they will lose because they didn't do what WE wanted!!
And thus we get further penalized...

[CaberTosser]

The suggestion Notley made the other day about buying into Kinder Morgan struck me as ludicrous. I'm no expert, but it would seem to be an insider trading issue. The gov't conspired to sabotage the oil and gas industry, then stocks go down, then they buy.... Sound a bit like an insider advantage to anyone else? The NDP can't touch anything financial whatsoever without screwing it up royally, this would be no different.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Here's the biggest thorn for me- the pipeline gets stalled out (looks inevitable) and now KM is looking to recuperate their lost costs. They sue the federal gov't because they are ultimately responsible for the delay and then ALL OF CANADA PAYS!!
How do you like that? The Feds are going to make us pay for a lawsuit that they will lose because they didn't do what WE wanted!!
And thus we get further penalized...

And the lawyers get fatter and fatter.

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

The suggestion Notley made the other day about buying into Kinder Morgan struck me as ludicrous. I'm no expert, but it would seem to be an insider trading issue. The gov't conspired to sabotage the oil and gas industry, then stocks go down, then they buy.... Sound a bit like an insider advantage to anyone else? The NDP can't touch anything financial whatsoever without screwing it up royally, this would be no different.

I don't like when government gets involved in business, but in this case if KM can't wait on this (and I don't blame them) then who else is going to step up and push for this pipeline!

What I'd like to see is Notely and company just shut the dam tap to BC and Scott Moe and company shut the tap off to the East. This is the only way to get the pipeline built. Force the bastards that are opposing or not doing what is in the best interest of the country to do something about it.

BW

[59whiskers]

In the 1970,s the Trudeau government created Petrocan. I wonder what the Motley government will rename Transmountian when they confiscate it from Kinder Morgan. With these socialist governments in power, it is much to risky to invest in anything in this country.

[CaberTosser]

In 13 months the NDP will be but an afterthought in Alberta, perhaps they'll retain some Edmonton ridings but they'll certainly not be a political force holding any power whatsoever. Following that we'll not need to worry nearly as much about provincial gov't mismanagement as we do now, the light is peeking out at the end of the tunnel.

[raab]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

The suggestion Notley made the other day about buying into Kinder Morgan struck me as ludicrous. I'm no expert, but it would seem to be an insider trading issue. The gov't conspired to sabotage the oil and gas industry, then stocks go down, then they buy.... Sound a bit like an insider advantage to anyone else? The NDP can't touch anything financial whatsoever without screwing it up royally, this would be no different.

Shouldnt surprise you coming from the NDP. If they had it their way they'd own all the industry and divvy out the goods as they see fit. Thats the socialist agenda, elites at the top, slaves at the bottom!

[raab]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

In 13 months the NDP will be but an afterthought in Alberta, perhaps they'll retain some Edmonton ridings but they'll certainly not be a political force holding any power whatsoever. Following that we'll not need to worry nearly as much about provincial gov't mismanagement as we do now, the light is peeking out at the end of the tunnel.

And when it happens, it will prove to the rest of Albertan's what we've suspected all along... Edmonton is full of idiots! And I can say that because Im from Edmonton, and have seen the drivers.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

Shouldnt surprise you coming from the NDP. If they had it their way they'd own all the industry and divvy out the goods as they see fit. Thats the socialist agenda, elites at the top, slaves at the bottom!

No.

Elites at the top and slaves at the bottom is plutocratic, or oligarchic.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

No.

Elites at the top and slaves at the bottom is plutocratic, or oligarchic.

It's what has happened in EVERY totally Socialist/Communist state. Look at places like Venezuela, Cuba, the USSR, China, etc.... Elites in government control everyone and tell them how to live and what to do. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" whats that sound like? Slavery, slaves needs were provided for and they produced according to their ability. In capitalism we at least can have nice things like chocolate and coffee.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

And the lawyers get fatter and fatter.



I don't like when government gets involved in business, but in this case if KM can't wait on this (and I don't blame them) then who else is going to step up and push for this pipeline!

What I'd like to see is Notely and company just shut the dam tap to BC and Scott Moe and company shut the tap off to the East. This is the only way to get the pipeline built. Force the bastards that are opposing or not doing what is in the best interest of the country to do something about it.

BW

All of the noise that Notley is making seems to be just a smokescreen to take our minds off of her other bungles.
She is currently making herself heard to simply make it look as if she is doing something really great for Alberta.

As she has little to zero influence with regard to resolving the Kinder-Morgan / BC stalemate, just imagine how good she will look once the issue is resolved.. probably close to our next election. I'll bet the Ranch she will take credit for the accomplishment and will look like the magic Princess to many Albertans. She may be a joke, but she sure isn't stupid.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

It's what has happened in EVERY totally Socialist/Communist state. Look at places like Venezuela, Cuba, the USSR, China, etc.... Elites in government control everyone and tell them how to live and what to do. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" whats that sound like? Slavery, slaves needs were provided for and they produced according to their ability. In capitalism we at least can have nice things like chocolate and coffee.

Capitalism isn't a political philosophy. It's an economic philosophy.

You're confusing concepts and philosophies and that is muddying what you're trying to say. At face value, what you say is a rant against everything.

[wildbill]

Trutard needs to finally earn his pay cheque and not worry about fixin things that ain't broke.
He bin floatin around like a useless turd long enough.
It's gonna sting his poor little ego goin after "his type of persons" in bc, but, who cares!!!
Do yer dang job or, step down already!!!

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Capitalism isn't a political philosophy. It's an economic philosophy.

You're confusing concepts and philosophies and that is muddying what you're trying to say. At face value, what you say is a rant against everything.

Socialist/Communism is a combination of political and economic philosophy.

[whiteout]

Originally Posted by Salavee

All of the noise that Notley is making seems to be just a smokescreen to take our minds off of her other bungles.
She is currently making herself heard to simply make it look as if she is doing something really great for Alberta.

As she has little to zero influence with regard to resolving the Kinder-Morgan / BC stalemate, just imagine how good she will look once the issue is resolved.. probably close to our next election. I'll bet the Ranch she will take credit for the accomplishment and will look like the magic Princess to many Albertans. She may be a joke, but she sure isn't stupid.

The issue isn’t going to be resolved close to the next provincial election, it’s going to be resolved in the next 48 days. This isn’t something that KM can just kick down the road indefinitely.

If she does get legislation passed and BC does capitulate, you can be sure that she will score points. She’s been showing that she is the only politician who is actually trying to help KM and even if those measures are not 100% effective or solely responsible if the pipeline gets built, people will notice them

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

Socialist/Communism is a combination of political and economic philosophy.

While true, none of the countries you cited as examples are socialist/communist. Their politics is that of authoritarianism, or oligarchy, as I pointed out previously when you attributed similar motivations to the NDP, and confused your philosophies.

[Map Maker]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Here's the biggest thorn for me- the pipeline gets stalled out (looks inevitable) and now KM is looking to recuperate their lost costs. They sue the federal gov't because they are ultimately responsible for the delay and then ALL OF CANADA PAYS!!
How do you like that? The Feds are going to make us pay for a lawsuit that they will lose because they didn't do what WE wanted!!
And thus we get further penalized...

I hope some entity does start the process of sueing BC.
The main culprits in stopping KM are out-of-work college kids and retirees. You hit the hard working people in bc with higher taxes to pay lawsuits, you'll see them turn on the greenies very quickly.

Look at how many Albertans couldnt go to the counter protest yesterday because they had to WORK.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

While true, none of the countries you cited as examples are socialist/communist. Their politics is that of authoritarianism, or oligarchy, as I pointed out previously when you attributed similar motivations to the NDP, and confused your philosophies.

So the USSR wasn't Communist(Actually socialist because no government has attained true communism)? Totalitarianism is a byproduct of the government controlling everything, instead of individual people owning everything. When people say they're socialists, they're basically saying "I hate being free, I wish someone would look after me and tell me what to do". It's no wonder millennial's love the NDP.

[ctd]

I posted on my facebook page that maybe a $1-2 per liter tax of refined and unrefined product be imposed on all oil product shipped to BC from Alberta.

A few of my friends responded why should they be penalized for a bad government.
I asked them what were they doing to help solve the issue other then responding to m FB post. They got the hint.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

So the USSR wasn't Communist(Actually socialist because no government has attained true communism)? Totalitarianism is a byproduct of the government controlling everything, instead of individual people owning everything. When people say they're socialists, they're basically saying "I hate being free, I wish someone would look after me and tell me what to do". It's no wonder millennial's love the NDP.

Under Lenin, it was closest. Stalin and on was a dictatorship, or oligarchy. Putin can be classed as a dictator as well.

Newsflash, 1% of the population controls over 50% of global wealth, so "most of the people" hardly own anything.

I am an outlier among your sample of self-identifying socialists, then, as I choose to look after my fellow man.

[pikeslayer22]

Originally Posted by ctd

I posted on my facebook page that maybe a $1-2 per liter tax of refined and unrefined product be imposed on all oil product shipped to BC from Alberta.

A few of my friends responded why should they be penalized for a bad government.
I asked them what were they doing to help solve the issue other then responding to m FB post. They got the hint.

And maybe block their citizens from coming to AB to work in the patch which thre is a lot of

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Salavee

She may be a joke, but she sure isn't stupid.

x2

Although. Look at this picture. Makes me sick.

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by raab

.. Edmonton is full of idiots! And I can say that because Im from Edmonton, and have seen the drivers.

After about 120 posts in this thread, finally the truth comes out

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Under Lenin, it was closest. Stalin and on was a dictatorship, or oligarchy. Putin can be classed as a dictator as well.

Newsflash, 1% of the population controls over 50% of global wealth, so "most of the people" hardly own anything.

I am an outlier among your sample of self-identifying socialists, then, as I choose to look after my fellow man.

No, no, your not any different then the tyrant leaders. The difference between me and you is I believe people can choose to help their fellow man, and you believe they should be forced by the government.

I think looking at the tragedy in Humboldt will tell you all you need to know about how a community can come together and help out others without the government forcing them to.

[Head Lice]

Was your previous Provincial Govt. so bad ...... ?
Why was Rachel Notley and the NDP voted in ..... ?

[Drewski Canuck]

Lets all laugh. With a little luck, we can become a "have not province" and get Transfer Payments!!!

This is the Feds biggest fear, and only fear: Having to pay Albertans without getting to keep everything they take from Alberta.

As for BC, it is really simple. Every barrel or oil, every MCF of Gas, every barrel of finished Gasoline or Diesel that flows to another Province of Canada, from Alberta, gets levied $5.00. If they don't want the oil, gas, diesel, etc, then don't buy it.

The money simply goes to the Green Transition Fund, something like the Heritage Fund. What better tool to Wien Alberta from using its Dirty oil to fund the Economy than a fund paid by the parties that protest our Dirty Oil!!!

With the money, we can become good citizens of the world by transitioning our Economy to the Green Energy Province, which should make the Feds and BC and every other Province worship Alberta.

I know it will be passed on to the BC Consumers, but really, how can they be upset about that? Its for their own good, after all.

As for the jobs that these out of Province Workers come to fill in Alberta, all the out of Province Workers also should pay an Infrastructure Levy on the income they earn while working in Alberta, and paying taxes elsewhere.

There, problem solved.

Drewski