Why the NDP will win.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Edmonton hasn’t had a new hospital built since the Grey Nuns opened in 1988. The population has more than doubled in that time. Since 1988, we’ve had 30 years of Conservative governments and four years of NDP. Guess which one announced plans to finally build a new SW hospital in Edmonton?

There is a lot of finger pointing going on here but looks like only OP is able to take off his partisan glasses to recognize that our Conservative provincial governments have been failing us substantially to provide the healthcare infrastructure we require and rightfully deserve as tax payers.

I bet that $1.3 billion Kenney spent on a never-to-be-built pipeline could have gone miles building healthcare infrastructure. enjoy the wait times fellas…

As I understand it, Kenney didn't SPEND 1.3 billion. It was a tax credit, meaning that they had to earn x amount of money (probably 100 billion) in Alberta to get that 'money'.

The other is that the NDP didn't make the plans for the hospital they announced. A friend of mine has been on that file and said that the plans for that hospital mentioned were started a decade before the NDP announced it. He told me that in big cities, it can take around 25 years to get a large hospital built from planning and permits to accepting patients. He's overseeing a project converting an old Canadian Tire into an urgent care clinic. He was telling me that just getting permits from the city for everything took 4-5 years, and that's a small project.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So was Notley breaking the electricity contracts which ended up costing Alberta $1.8B a better deal?

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...-fiasco-mounts

And that breaking of contracts drove the prices up a lot.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by lmtada

SHERWOOD PARK, FORT SASKATCHEWAN have new hospitals built last 12 years. Given the go under Klein, Stelmach governments.

I meant Edmonton proper, but even better. So in the metro area, despite adding 700,000 people into the metro area since 1988, we gained the following number of new hospital inpatient beds: 38 (all of which are at Fort Sask, a pretty far drive from everywhere that isn’t NE Edmonton—Sherwood Park’s “hospital” doesn’t have a single inpatient bed).

Of course, there have been some capacity upgrades at the existing hospitals in all this time as well—but it’s clear as day what one of the number one wait time reasons are and it’s only solved by increased physical hospital infrastructure.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

I meant Edmonton proper, but even better. So in the metro area, despite adding 700,000 people into the metro area since 1988, we gained the following number of new hospital inpatient beds: 38 (all of which are at Fort Sask, a pretty far drive from everywhere that isn’t NE Edmonton—Sherwood Park’s “hospital” doesn’t have a single inpatient bed).

Of course, there have been some capacity upgrades at the existing hospitals in all this time as well—but it’s clear as day what one of the number one wait time reasons are and it’s only solved by increased physical hospital infrastructure.

And yet Edmonton placed #2 in Canada when rated on healthcare in Canadian cities.

https://www.universitymagazine.ca/ci...n-canada-2020/

[keeks]

I can't believe people want the government to fix things. What has the government ever done well, on time, and on budget. The gov is the problem here, doesn't matter who is in charge. Not sure why "for profit" healthcare is considered taboo. Government funded private services will reduce wait times, and will be run far more efficiently than EVERY gov run program.

Government doesn't fix things. They make EVERYTHING less efficient, and more expensive.

[lmtada]

If you want instant healthcare. Than Private healthcare is the answer. Otherwise take a number…….

[AltaBorn]

Originally Posted by Fisherdan

First of all, thank you to all the well wishers. This morning, he was doing a bit better, but has since gone downhill again. So my wife is back to emergency with him.

A few thoughts...

Yes, I see that healthcare across Canada (and the world to a large extent) is failing/under tremendous strain. So not just an Alberta or UCP problem.

It is almost impossible to buy Children's Tylenol in Canada right now... not helping the situation in children's hospitals across the country.

I agree that restrictive mandates have had the consequence of putting off the inevitable. During Covid, our household was relatively healthy. Once things opened up, it has been one virus/illness after another.

Some comparisons to BC have been made. The average age in BC is 42. Alberta is 37... not quite apples to oranges, but almost. That 5 year age gap is probably a major reason why BC has preemptively struck a deal compensating their doctors. Doctors are a hot commodity and BC simply cannot afford to lose them.

Someone commented that in Canada we produce more lawyers than doctors. Why are we not producing doctors? Is the academic bar set too high? I have been looking for a family doctor and have an appointment with one in January. He is originally from Nigeria, went to school and worked in the UK, and immigrated here. It seems like many (if not most) new doctors are immigrants. I don't have a problem with immigration, but what is going on here in this country? Why do we need to poach the brightest minds from elsewhere in the world?

As far as Alberta politics go... Kenney picked a fight with doctors and nurses at the worst possible time. Simply terrible pig-headed leadership. Now Smith says that AHS is solely at fault. She fired Hinshaw publicly, without even speaking to her first. I know that most of this forum has jumped on the Smith bandwagon, but I personally do not believe that she has the leadership qualities needed to attempt any kind of massive reform that will produce a quality outcome. Good leadership would first acknowledge that decades of government mismanagement (decades of Conservative and 4 years of NDP) have given us a system that is today failing. Instead she is doing what 98% of professional politicians do... blame someone else, make vague empty promises, and hope things blow over/fix themselves.

It's only the beginning of November, barely the beginning of cold and flu season, and things are already off the rails.

AHS is an absolute disaster. Henshaw deserves to be fired. If Kenny had stuck to his guns and didn’t follow the bandwagon and listen to the so-called experts like Henshaw operating on nothing more than public opinion polls and bandwagon propaganda from the feds, like if people felt “safer” wearing masks and didn’t force us to choose bodily autonomy over livelihoods, the healthcare system wouldn’t be in this mess to this degree. Doctors and nurses shortages are exponentially higher because so many of them have been forced to walk away from the job due to mandates. A lot of those doctors and nurses aren’t going back. Do you have any idea how many people are still on the books and not allowed to return to work after being walked out for not taking the jab? Personnel shortages are crazy yet the books hide how bad it really is. Now we have somebody in place that’s trying to fix that and is at least addressing it by apologizing for starters.

Alberta C 19 stats one year apart:
September 21, 2020 not one Albertan had been vaccinated yet.
New cases: 358. Total active cases: 1458. Hospitalizations: 51. In ICU:9

September 21, 20 2172.8% fully vaccinated approximately 83% had one dose. New cases 1519. Total active cases: 20,917. Hospitalizations: 996. In ICU: 222.

There were 14 times the active cases and 20 times the hospitalizations that year because of 17% unvaccinated???

The real experts, the ones being censored for speaking out, said this crap was going to happen. Start addressing the elephant in the room. Is the leading cause of death in Alberta still not “ unknown cause of death “ ? What’s going to happen when people realize they’ve destroyed their immune system because of an experimental inoculation? It’s playing out right now. People are going to be a whole lot sicker than usual, especially the kids this year and going forward. Combined that with a medical system that’s been stripped due to government policy and mandates that already sucked to begin with, what a mess to have to deal with. Good luck voting for the NDP and even bigger government - more restrictions, less freedom‘s, more taxes, less jobs, more government handouts, yeah right! Rachel knotthead and the NDP still want kids wearing masks in schools for crying out loud.

Kenny screwed up by having the government take over the majority of the board of the College of physicians and surgeons. Who knows if that was a backdoor deal with the world economic forum like the one Smith just shut down. Why do you think doctors were threatened with their licenses for speaking out against mandates and how C 19 was being handled? Just like getting stripped for giving people exemptions. Alberta needs independence away from these globalist cesspools like world economic forum and anything attached to the leftists in Ottawa and the NDP. I think it’s going to improve under Danielle Smith. She’s against the grain and going with the grain over the last two years has got us in this mess deeper than we should be. Canada’s healthcare system needs an overhaul so we do stop losing our doctors to the USA and higher paying jobs. The answer sure as hell isn’t bigger government under the NDP.

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by Fisherdan

As far as Alberta politics go... Kenney picked a fight with doctors and nurses at the worst possible time. Simply terrible pig-headed leadership. Now Smith says that AHS is solely at fault. She fired Hinshaw publicly, without even speaking to her first. I know that most of this forum has jumped on the Smith bandwagon, but I personally do not believe that she has the leadership qualities needed to attempt any kind of massive reform that will produce a quality outcome. Good leadership would first acknowledge that decades of government mismanagement (decades of Conservative and 4 years of NDP) have given us a system that is today failing. Instead she is doing what 98% of professional politicians do... blame someone else, make vague empty promises, and hope things blow over/fix themselves.

It's only the beginning of November, barely the beginning of cold and flu season, and things are already off the rails.

And Kenney is gone.
Smith is actually going out on a limb and apparently looking at big big changes to the organization of AHS. Furthermore she obviously saw what most of us saw with Hinshaw, that she was just a mouthpiece for the WHO and she was essentially unwilling to apply science or reason to her recommendations. Why would Smith speak to her first?
Based on her actions so far, it does not appear that Smith is making idle promises and waiting for things to blow over. She is perhaps biting off more than she can chew. The NDP and public sector unions are very happy with a dysfunctional health care system that they can beat the UPC over the head with. They will fight any and all changes, and claim that the UPC is turning AB into a US style system. It is the same old playbook every election. The left has no solutions.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by HL_transplant

I would like to know who are these people that live in BC and think our Healthcare is better?? There 0 family doctors where I live. Moved in May and was informed no doctors will be taking patients in 2022. If you think NDP will fix your problems then have at er. I lived in Sask and Alberta my entire life and it's easily the worst situation for Healthcare living in BC

No surprise the last hospital my wife worked at had two Dr’s that would come in for 2 weeks a month just to make sure they had a Dr in emergency for all shifts. They also had a Dr that was caught drunk on the job multiple times but not let go do to shortages

This is just a couple things I can off the top of my head without asking me wife or others who still work in BCs healthcare system

Basically you can’t get anything accomplished outside of SW BC specialist wise as well. You might get a recommendation to see one in a larger hub like PG but don’t expect an appointment within a year. I know people who are still trying to get appointments with specialists in BC and can’t even get a call back a year later. Most have to break down and drive to the lower mainland

Lack of healthcare and education options outside of the lower mainland are just 2 of many reasons we left BC. My wife also gets paid more working for AHS vs Northern health in BC and northern health pays better then some of BCs other health regions

I am not surprised in the least you find BCs healthcare sucks lol

[nimrod]

To the op of this thread, stop looking in your city to get your son some action to get him healed, start thinking out of the box, so many small town has doctors nurses, that are not bagged from working for so long, start asking your doctor where you can take the boy to get him healed, thats the doctors job to find a place for your son to get some relieve

[3blade]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Damn that evil world government cabal!

I hear they like pizza from DC!!

Lol

Wind em up and let ‘em go eh?

For the record, I’m so glad farmers and welders and cowboys are here to figure out how to fix a health care system



I’ll remember to ask a nurse next time I need a transmission repaired

[waldedw]

Having Rachel at the helm for 4 years is about the same as having Justin at the helm for 4 year, we are doomed

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Wind em up and let ‘em go eh?

For the record, I’m so glad farmers and welders and cowboys are here to figure out how to fix a health care system



I’ll remember to ask a nurse next time I need a transmission repaired

Farmers, welders, and cowboys would do a far better job running this province/country

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Wind em up and let ‘em go eh?

For the record, I’m so glad farmers and welders and cowboys are here to figure out how to fix a health care system



I’ll remember to ask a nurse next time I need a transmission repaired

It's not called a SYSTEM for no reason. Nurses, doctors...not necessarily systems experts. The SYSTEM is broken and that's not a critique (necessarily) of those people in the system.

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by slough shark

I also hate our health care system it’s been broken for as long as I can remember and it doesn’t matter who is in charge.

Agree.

When the Dippers won their accidental mandate they pumped a ton of money into healthcare.


Unfortunately that equated into a bunch of middle management paper pushers to help out her union buddies and did nothing to address our front line staffing shortages or ridiculous wait times. A swing and a miss for Nutley.

It would sure help if some people stopped using emergency rooms as their personal physician and would stop running to the ER cause their finger hurts or they have a runny nose.

One of my friends is a triage nurse at Stergeon Hospital, she says 3 out of 4 people there are there for a non emergency that should be going to their family physician to address. But that's a whole other issue.

It's LONG past time to blow up AHS and start fresh...

[270hunter]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Farmers, welders, and cowboys would do a far better job running this province/country

Ain’t that the truth

[gman1978]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Farmers, welders, and cowboys would do a far better job running this province/country

Any half rate Feedlot operator would have handled the Covid crisis better too. If you think the NDP will fix the healthcare system your in for a real disappointment. So tossing more money at a doctor and a nurse will fix it all??

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by does it ALL outdoors

Agree.

When the Dippers won their accidental mandate they pumped a ton of money into healthcare.


Unfortunately that equated into a bunch of middle management paper pushers to help out her union buddies and did nothing to address our front line staffing shortages or ridiculous wait times. A swing and a miss for Nutley.

It would sure help if some people stopped using emergency rooms as their personal physician and would stop running to the ER cause their finger hurts or they have a runny nose.

One of my friends is a triage nurse at Stergeon Hospital, she says 3 out of 4 people there are there for a non emergency that should be going to their family physician to address. But that's a whole other issue.

It's LONG past time to blow up AHS and start fresh...

Yup. I'm tired of paying for other peoples' stuff.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Wind em up and let ‘em go eh?

For the record, I’m so glad farmers and welders and cowboys are here to figure out how to fix a health care system



I’ll remember to ask a nurse next time I need a transmission repaired

(a welder is a machine - a weldor operates that machine )

Farmers and Weldors are experts at what they do, which often includes managing their business.

Politicians have no expertise of their own other then at lying and avoiding responsibility. The good ones consult experts before making any decision.

Instead of asking a nurse to fix your transmission a better analogy would be to ask a farmer to fix your transmission.
Good chance he'd know how.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by linemanpete

Do other provinces health ministers berate doctors on their driveway? Or unilaterally shred a pay agreement with docs? Refuse to bargain in good faith with our nurses? Morale goes a long way and the current government has killed any system morale.

You just hit the nail on the head. BC has problems attracting, and keeping home grown Docs due to the poor pay for those in family practice. Roughly $250K in BC (worst pay in the country) vs $375K in Alberta. Lots want to work, and live in the province, and it seems they all vacation here, but a $125K difference in pay is a big hit.
That just got changed last week with a HUGE bump to virtually equal Albertas pay, with some other goodies thrown in. It should be up and running in Feb. '23. Apparently the interest has been pretty lively from out of province physicians, particularly new grads, so the gov should be careful when picking fights.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9245689/d...hanges-pay-bc/

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

(a welder is a machine - a weldor operates that machine )

Farmers and Weldors are experts at what they do, which often includes managing their business.

Politicians have no expertise of their own other then at lying and avoiding responsibility. The good ones consult experts before making any decision.

Instead of asking a nurse to fix your transmission a better analogy would be to ask a farmer to fix your transmission.
Good chance he'd know how.

I just learned something new today !! Thanks KR

[elkhunter11]

(a welder is a machine - a weldor operates that machine )

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/welder


Definition of welder

: one that welds: such as
a : a person whose work is welding
b : a machine used in welding

[bessiedog]

WELDoR!!!!


Wasent he on Mastersof the Universe….?

HeMan fought him I’m sure..!


Lol

Ohh boys… has anyone noticed that AO actually has a ‘private healthcare da best!!’ Thread…

Three spots down…. Them damn private dentists charging so much…. Grumble grumble…


Oi vey!

[bryard2]

Originally Posted by Fisherdan

10+ hour wait time at the children’s hospital in Calgary right now.

Waiting room is full with an extra 20-30 kids lying on the hallway floors.

1.5 hours just to get admitted.

Good job driving our doctors and nurses into the ground and to different provinces Kenny. Good luck with more of your out of touch rhetoric and priorities Danielle.

Will try taking our son again tomorrow in the morning.

Nurses do suffer. But stupid governments and nurse’s union believe more money to them will solve that. But the real problem is the Alberta Healthcare Services people above them, who do not ever suffer. The huge bureaucracy above the nurses never suffers.
NDP and UCP pour money into basically making a bigger bureaucracy.
Doctors are like anybody else…. They have skills and ability that they can take to somewhere warmer with better pay…. I’d go too.
So Kenny didn’t drive nurses and doctors into the ground, the crap bureaucracy above them did it.


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[Redhorse Ranch]

Originally Posted by lmtada

If you want instant healthcare. Than Private healthcare is the answer. Otherwise take a number…….

This is the elephant in the room. I'll bet that the future of Canadian healthcare involves some kind of hybrid system. Clearly the untouchable "universal" health care will eventually break the bank.

[esher]

Originally Posted by 270hunter

Ain’t that the truth

I would ex out welders, at least my in laws.

[Pony]

The issue why kids are getting hit hard as they have been locked down for the past 2 years due to Covid restrictions and never were able to develop the normal cold/flu immunity that kids need every year. Sanitization overkill plus lock downs are to blame, both my kids have down for over a week. Our government’s fail to realize this and are now starting to admit this was an issue

[fishnguy]

Is it mildly hilarious that grown men and teenagers alike think that feedlot operators, welders, farmers, etc can run a better show, or what?

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Ohh boys… has anyone noticed that AO actually has a ‘private healthcare da best!!’ Thread…

Three spots down…. Them damn private dentists charging so much…. Grumble grumble…


Oi vey!

Lol.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Is it mildly hilarious that grown men and teenagers alike think that feedlot operators, welders, farmers, etc can run a better show, or what?


Lol.

Then again are all health ministers actually better qualified to run our health care system? What were Hoffman's qualifications, other than calling Albertans sewer rats?

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Is it mildly hilarious that grown men and teenagers alike think that feedlot operators, welders, farmers, etc can run a better show, or what?


Lol.

Usually this kind of negative groupthink Nancy talk would pop up here in late Jan or Feb.

But these days…..

Beginning deer season


Sigh


And yes elk…. With your 30+ years in the patch and adopted populist algorithm are imminently wiser and have the answers .



Guys here really need to read a fav Theo Roosevelt speech I like.