Gun Registry Super Thread (please thank your Liberal/NDP friends)

[32-40win]

Remember the MInister of Nothing's "public" roundtables and consultations with people on his "fact finding" mission across Canada, and his online survey?
Well, here is the results;

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/r...7JbhXSn2wICu7o

[SnipeHunter]

Overall, participants were strongly polarized on the issue of banning handguns and assault-style firearms.

Wedge politics.

[32-40win]

CSSA posted some of the new bans last wk, there are some more that have been found now, Mossberg 715T being one of note, ATRS has had a couple more hits on their line as well, Modern Hunter was added to the list.

https://www.armalytics.ca/?size=n_29...%5Btype%5D=any

[32-40win]

This guy knows how to rant and paint a picture of what is going on, starts with the situation about the virus lockdown and then into the gun ban issue.
It's been said by many people, and it certainly illustrates it here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oaW...MOT-lU6y5kUv4M

[32-40win]

RCMP don't like the thought of a public inquiry to the NS shooting. On one hand they say it is because of the investigation into where he got the guns, but, they probably definitely do not want the fiasco of their leadership issues discussed, and there are plenty of issues there.

https://nowtoronto.com/news/nova-sco...t0dxFVtB_PPldY

[32-40win]

An NRA article on the ban;

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2020...G07-3ftwi7B***

[32-40win]

Police perspective on the gun bans;

https://www.blueline.ca/implications...N1nEMQyBpbGUIA

[32-40win]

No particular indication of what they will do here, but, Sec64 is under this review. If you are awaiting replacement on an expired PAL or RPAL keep an eye on it;

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...Xmgf2RcvPP0ukg

[32-40win]

Looks like the first of the lawsuits against the gov't has been filed by Solomon Friedman. On behalf of a store in BC;

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iR...f7q7NX7h4n_UJK

[SnipeHunter]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Looks like the first of the lawsuits against the gov't has been filed by Solomon Friedman. On behalf of a store in BC;

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iR...f7q7NX7h4n_UJK

Thanks for that 32-40. Interesting read. I happened to be watching a video from C&R Arsenal and learned that the first detachable magazine was on the USN Remington-Lee 1879. Since the filing listed the detachable magazine going back to 'at least 1908' I passed that information on to the legal team. Maybe it will be useful to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzqQlQ49oA

[32-40win]

CCFR is pushing a "big announcement" for tomorrow, likely filing their case today, I expect. I guess we'll find out, when they "announce" it, if it's worth the hype. Either that or Blair is up to something again, although, I expect he is in a position of having to wait for a full sitting of Parliament before he can do a whole lot more. I get the impression that the provincial gov'ts may know more about what he is doing than they are telling, as there likely has to be some form of backdoor consultations at this point, towards their role in a central storage or municipal handgun scheme, as to jurisdiction issues.

[32-40win]

NFA folk and Solomon Friedman explaining context of what the situation is and some of the aspects of their suit, worth watching;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtqMTU85gd4

Toss this article in for a read, a valid point.

https://reason.com/2020/05/06/canada...6GiDjmkXXcgYuU

And the CCFR did file their challenge today;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACtMzI9Dv2M

[32-40win]

CCFR's application to the courts;

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/...iling-Copy.pdf

[32-40win]

Kate McQuarrie's letter to the editor in NS

https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/opinio...lSl6b7pT6eb5WM

[32-40win]

Please do it!!! Sask gov't looking at filing a case against the OIC's, that would be a great thing to have a few provinces join in;

https://www.cjme.com/2020/05/25/sask...6KN2gai-g3LE-w

[magoonpointboy]

Everyone should sign and share the various petitions and support the CCFR's court action. Complaining amongst ourselves gets us nowhere.

[32-40win]

From the CSSA last nite;

Is the RCMP Lying Too?

After the CSSA revealed that the new Order in Council prohibiting firearms of 20mm or larger bore, the RCMP scrambled to proudly display a "new test procedure" that would somehow magically render the Criminal Code Regulations null and void.

Their Minister of Misinformation Bill Blair, also posted a law changing tweet proclaiming that the law didn't mean exactly what it said in plain English. Of course, he could have simply added two little words, "except shotguns" to the simple declaration in the OiC but instead, chose to lie his face off to Canadians (and the House of Commons) telling them it didn't mean what it plainly said.

But apparently the Mounties were lying too, because of what it says in the Firearms Reference Tables - the famous RCMP oracle of all things firearms-related. Apparently they can't even get their own story straight. Please note the word "muzzle" in the image below. Will the RCMP come up with a new version of the word muzzle? Stay tuned.

PS: By the way, the "diameter of the barrel forward of the chamber but before the choke" includes the forcing cone, that has a nominal diameter in most 12 gauge shotguns of 20.3 mm tapering to approximate 18.5 mm. And of course, if the bore may not exceed 20 mm, that would obviously be the largest part of the bore, not the smallest. But you knew that, right?

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...k3hMiACoMqnF_U

[32-40win]

Apparently JR Cox filed his case this week, Gun Blog has published a bit on it, TSE has nothing on their page yet, may be from the GoFundMe page as there are a couple of updates there on it as of Sunday, when I last looked at it.

So, all the cases I am aware of, are filed, NFA, CCFR and JR's. Then we have E2574, E2576, E2570 for petitions, Sask may be considering filing something, AB and Sask perhaps appointing their own CFO's. RCMP not printing new licences as the "printer is shut down" , talk of the feds doing something about expired licences and renewal issues which may be screwy, probable cancellation of a buyback and a possible keep prohibited as grandfathered, but you can't use it amendment/OIC, probable central storage and municipal bans in cities. And an absolute clusterflop on shotgun bans, bigbore bans, .22LR bans and bore measurements for shotguns, and lack of info on FRT changes by the RCMP available to the public, as they are ongoing. And Bill Blair lying thru his teeth at every possible opportunity, with total fore knowledge that he is lying, and blatantly doing it anyway, along with his genius boss.

If you have something to add, that I missed, put it in here to make people aware of it.

https://thegunblog.ca/2020/05/27/tru...YcIdYDUClWf_Jk

[32-40win]

And now I see in looking at CGN, which I have only been doing about once a week lately, John Hipwell at Wolverine is contemplating a case regarding hunting with bigbores, incl 50BMG, with Ed Burlew, which I assume would be a CSSA related case vs the CCFR case;

JUDICIAL REVIEW of OIC
I have engaged the services of EDWARD L. BURLEW, LL.B. to proceed with a Judicial review of the OIC. I will be looking for financial support and will be setting up an account to accept contributions..

We are looking for firearm owners who use the Weatherby .460 or a rifle chambered in .50 BMG for hunting Grizzly Bears, Walrus or Narwhales in Canada. Also, anyone who uses a Mini 14 or Mini 30 for hunting or predator control, or an AR15 for competition in Canada. If you are one of these people and you are willing to provide a signed affidavit and testify in court if required please e-mail your details to me John@wolverinesupplies.com I must have a commitment from you this week. Please make your subject line Judicial Review of OIC.

Added the following 1 hour after my first post.

The response has been strong, please e-mail me your statement as to how this OIC has affected you. Advise if you are willing to sign an affidavit and appear in court. I will use everyone's e-mail in support of my own affidavit, so keep them coming, your effort will not be wasted, but will only require a very few to sign and possible appear in court.

We will look into setting up an account to receive funds on Monday.

Cheers

Another hour later, the response is terrific, keep the e-mails coming but please understand I will not have time to reply to everyone. Thank you.

Added later. Will be pleased to hear from anyone who has a firearm affected by this OIC.


Edit #4

A GoFundMe page has been created to accept support. Please follow the link below for more information on how to show your support!

Link to the GOFUNDME --> https://www.gofundme.com/f/judicial-...-amp-ed-burlew

Clarification:

This action with Ed Burlew has ben initiated by myself personally, not Wolverine Supplies, whilst I am the founder of Wolverine Supplies I am now retired from the business which is operated by my son Matt and his wife Genn. I assist them on a "as required basis".

Wolverine Supplies is working with the CCFR with their court action that is completely separate from mine.

Update:
I am getting literally hundreds of personal e-mails offering support, this is great, don't stop. Please make your e-mails to me in the form of a statement of how this OIC has affected you. Sign it and provide your address and phone number. I plan to attach all your letters to my own affidavit as supporting evidence.
Sorry but I will not have time to reply to everyone.

Further clarification:
We are doing an Administrative challenge .
An Application for Judicial Review of the OIC 2020-298 of the Governor General In Council.
We will file in Fed Court Toronto

[32-40win]

Proper link for John's gofundme page;

https://www.gofundme.com/f/judicial-...-amp-ed-burlew

[sk270]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...guns-1.5586855

Saskatchewan is going to hire its own CFO. Is Alberta doing the same?

I know that the provinces cannot over-rule Federal legislation/OIC but this is at least a signal of common sense at the provincial level. Instead of all the virtue signalling from the Federal Liberals.

[32-40win]

Apparently Armalytics will be something of a private/public source for new FRT changes for a while at least, they just updated their site yesterday with what they've found in the last while. You have to search in it to find anything that has been updated;

https://www.armalytics.ca/?size=n_10_n

[32-40win]

CCFR inviting provincial AG's to participate;

https://firearmrights.ca/en/ccfr-app...CHqiuitMQvZuGI

[32-40win]

And a reminder of the driving force the Libs are using to push their bans;

https://www.beachmetro.com/2020/05/2...vy4ZgbXd_X4Wb4

[32-40win]

A previous study that the libs have ignored;

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearm...rol/canada.php
Read the section "Impact." An excerpt is below.
According to a 1988 study, “the use of firearms in Canadian homicides has declined since the legislative changes in gun control and capital punishment in late 1976.” However, the study found that the changes in the law had no impact on total standardized national homicide rates.[61] A 1994 report concurred that “[d]ata from Canada from 1969 to 1985 showed that the passage of a stricter firearms control law in 1977 was associated with a decrease in the use of firearms for homicide but an increase in the use of all other methods for homicide.”[62] Another study on the impact of gun control legislation (Bill C-51) in Canada “suggests that controlling access to lethal means for suicide may be an effective tactic.”[63]
However, according to a paper by Professor Robert Mundt,
[t]he evidence suggests that the 1977 legislation has had little perceptible impact in any of the aforementioned
areas [violent crime, suicides, and accidental deaths]. One possible reason, apart from the possible conclusion
that gun control has no direct effect on behaviour, is that, despite the legislation, the actual availability of
firearms in the hands of Canadians has risen.[64]

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearm...YOm6ur2ZFT4Prg

[32-40win]

Stores are making the news, Wanstall's in this case, TSE the other day, there have been a few others interviewed across the country;

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/britis...x6hygz4qEX76rc

[32-40win]

Don't think I agree with this at all, I see the reasoning behind it regarding new shooters being at risk and the law being undefined, but, I also think if they are still allowed to sell the guns they use for club guns, they should go ahead;

Women Shooters of PEI;

Our main goal is introducing women to the shooting sports. Our favorite way to do this is with our extremely popular live fire events. We've made the painful decision to cancel our June 13 skeet shooting day.
The May 1 ban includes 12ga shotguns. Bill Blair says it doesn't. But a legal opinion says it does, and we've been told it's up to the discretion of law enforcement. We simply can't take that chance with a group of first-time women shooters. We hope this is resolved before our next scheduled shoot in July. Watch this page for updates.

They had a number of replies from people who also thought they were wrong in cancelling the event; this was their reply;

Women Shooters of PEI
Thanks Antoine. We are aware of that statement. However, only the Order-in-Council is law. This is the Canadian Firearms Programs "view" on the matter, and it differs from other "views" such as Canada Border Services Agency and some lawyers. A webpage or a "tweet" (as Bill Blair issued) doesn't change the OIC. We aren't lawyers. We are not willing to take the risk with our group or our members.

Someone suggested they use 20 ga;

Women Shooters of PEI
Yep, but half of our club guns are 12ga, so we'd need to borrow more 20ga shotguns (if we could find people willing to lend them). And we already had the ammo for this shoot, so would need to buy more 20ga shells. Given that we are already $500 in the hole for ammo we bought and now can't use for our rifle day (also due to the ban), it's just not practical for our small group to do that.

[32-40win]

Abbotsford club putting up 5000.00 ea to NFA,CSSA and CCFR;

https://abbotsfordfishandgameclub.or..._NmjTgg4l0W9y0

[32-40win]

An interesting line of thought, this lady has been publishing quite a bit of stuff lately on a couple of sites on FB, would expect she is involved in what the Ontario Landowners are brewing up

Elizabeth Marshall
May 12 at 4:08 AM ·
Thought of the Day, Part V - Gun Ban Order In Council - P.C. 2020-298 – Should the Governor General remove the Minister of Justice, based on the information presented by him, to her, regarding the banning of firearms used by Canadian lawful firearms owners? That is for you and the Courts to decide…
Perhaps some Canadians have not been informed of what exactly the Governor General is and can do? Perhaps it is a misunderstanding of the foundational laws of Canada which cause governments to do what they do? And if both, or merely the Minister of Justice, are informed, which the Minister of Justice should be, is the Minister placing the Crown in disrepute by advising her to agree to an OIC which violates Canadian’s constitutional rights, including allowing the Governor General to interfere with the Criminal Code of Canada to the detriment of Canadians, making something that is lawful to become unlawful?
In 2009 there was a paper written by David S. Donovan, Ontario Legislature Internship Programme. This paper, titled “The Governor General and Lieutenant Governors: Canada’s Misunderstood Viceroys,’ explained certain things involving the Governor General and the Lieutenant Governors. It is a very informative read and the link is attached for you to read. From his document:
“…it seems more likely that if asked, the average Canadian, presuming they were familiar with the term ‘Governor General’ or ‘Lieutenant Governor’, would identify the officeholders as strictly ceremonial, with roles that entailed: bestowing occasional awards; hosting a few afternoon teas; and lots and lots of ribbon-cutting! In essence, a contemporary misconception exists in Canada that our vice-regal appointees are politically impotent. Michael Valpy writes,
The crown’s role in the machinery of Canada’s constitutional monarchy rarely sees daylight. Only a handful of times in our history has it been subjected to glaring sunshine, unfortunately resulting in a black hole of public understanding as to how it works.”
“To date, none of the legal powers of Canada’s vice-regals have been repealed; instead they remain firmly entrenched in the country’s constitution. Moreover, due to several events since Confederation it can be said that these powers have not only remained but they have been further entrenched since 1867. It is because of the immense legal potential of the office that it is imperative that Canada’s vice-regals are seen and act as independent figures, rather than as arm of the governing party.”
With the misinformation given to the Governor General regarding the OIC should this OIC not be struck down due to it placing the Sovereign representative in disrepute considering this is purely a political action to fulfill a campaign promise instead of for the protection of Canadians?
“Frank Mackinnon perhaps best describes the use of the crowns discretionary powers when he writes,
‘The Office of the Governor General and the Lieutenant Governor are Constitutional fire extinguishers with a potent mixture of powers for use in great emergencies. Like real
extinguishers, they appear in bright colours and are strategically located. But everyone hopes their emergency powers will never be used; the fact that they are not used does not render them useless; and it is generally understood there are severe penalties for tampering with them.’”
Isn’t this OIC perhaps one of those times the “fire extinguisher” might have been used? And now that the OIC has been executed what can the G.G. do, based on the fact the Minister of Justice, and Privy Council-Cabinet, has given bad advice?
As explained in “Thought of the Day - Part 1,” it would seem this OIC has political overtures to it and is merely “government by Order In Council” instead of an amendment to the Criminal Code, etc., debated in the House of Commons.
The Governor General is to be apolitical and nonpartisan therefore without receiving constitutionally sound advice from the Attorney General, instead of the Minister of Justice’s advice (Privy Council-Cabinet), it would seem this OIC is based on a political mandate, doesn’t it? Should the Governor General remove the Minister of Justice for this misinformation after all it was in 2013 that the Courts had ruled that government had undermined the honour of the Crown by not fulfilling Constitutional obligations. (Manitoba Metis Federation Inc. v. Canada (Attorney General), 2013 SCC 14).
Under the 1947 Letters Patent “Letters Patent Constituting the Office of Governor General of Canada,”article V the Governor General “… lawfully may, upon sufficient cause to him[her] appearing, to remove from his[her] office, or to suspend from the exercise of the same, any person exercising any office within Canada, under or by virtue of any Commission or Warrant granted, or which may be granted, by Us in Our name or under Our authority.”
Is using the Governor General to (i) undermine the Constitutional rights of Canadians, (ii) using the Governor General to implement a political OIC, (iii) with that information undermining the honour of the Crown, be cause enough for the Governor General to remove said Minister(s)? That is for you and the Courts to decide…
Elizabeth F. Marshall,
Non-Partisan Advocate
Director of Research Ontario Landowners Association
Author – "Property Rights 101: An Introduction”
Board Member/Secretary – Canadian Justice Review Board
Legal Research – Queen’s Counsel, Lawyers, Law Offices, etc.,
Legislative Researcher – MPs, MPPs, Municipal Councillors,
President All Rights Research Ltd.,
I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice. Any information relayed is for informational purposes only. Please contact a lawyer.

[32-40win]

Does raise some questions on the lines of thought in the various police depts around the country;

https://firearmrights.ca/en/cops-rej...NuXtelW2Em0nu8