Rifle banned confiscation

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

Considering the rcmp are partially responsible for the banning of guns in this country all ranges should ban the rcmp from using their ranges. Letting them in is simply ridiculous.

I am sure the Lethbridge gun club and the north end residence of Lethbridge would agree totally.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

Considering the rcmp are partially responsible for the banning of guns in this country all ranges should ban the rcmp from using their ranges. Letting them in is simply ridiculous.

This needs serious consideration. But like everything else, quite often corruption is overlooked when money is dangling in front of you.

[jcrayford]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Post #39

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...=435525&page=2

Awesome, thanks TC. Looks like my collection is still safe to store, carry and use (for the time being)....

A change in government can't happen soon enough.

Told the wife the other day that if the Turd gets back in, I'm going to look at migrating South.....

J.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

Considering the rcmp are partially responsible for the banning of guns in this country all ranges should ban the rcmp from using their ranges. Letting them in is simply ridiculous.

Due to damage to our indoor range caused by the RCMP, my former range did refuse to rent our facility to the RCMP for a few years. Then some executive members changed ,and some new members felt that if the range refused to rent to the RCMP, it could effect our range certification, because the CFO was a former RCMP officer. In other words, it was a fear of retaliation by the RCMP. Even though the current CFO is not associated with the RCMP, that fear of retaliation is still shared by some people. As well, most range executives want to remain on good terms with all law enforcement, so the range appears to be a benefit to the community, by providing a facility for law enforcement. This can be
helpful in keeping a range from being shut down, if some people in the community decide to complain about the noise, or a fear of stray bullets leaving the range. We recently had to deal with rule violations and damage to our range by RCMP members, and I will say, that some people are still hesitant to deal harshly with the RCMP.
So if people wonder why all ranges don't ban the RCMP , because of their participation in our corrupt governments anti firearms agenda, and because they actually cause us more grief, and add more risk because of their behavior while renting the range, those are some of the reasons.

[Pathfinder76]

Like I said. Money talks.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Like I said. Money talks.

Not money , it's more politics , we actually had to increase our rental rates for the RCMP by a significant amount, to cover the damage they did to our range. And being the one that mows the range, I am not pleased about the live rounds that get left on our range , when they leave. Coincidentally, we don't have the same issues with our local police force, they have a far different attitude, and behave accordingly.

[Pathfinder76]

Get ahold of the CFO. You are costing your members time AND money. I’ve paid ranges for facilities I cannot use far too much.

[catnthehat]

The main reason we let the RCMP back on our premises was because of strict rental agreements and damage restitution.
There are some that fear the RCMP would retaliate through the CFO but I think those fears are unfounded .
Many if our RCMP are also members up here .
Cat

[Pathfinder76]

If they want to buy memberships and participate as you do that’s fine. But they should not be allowed on as an organization that participates in gun control that is only political. We need to start growing a backbone. We are just as bad as Trudeau voters otherwise.

[Smokinyotes]

If RCMP want to shoot on a public range they should have to have a membership like everyone else. Why should they be exempt.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

If RCMP want to shoot on a public range they should have to have a membership like everyone else. Why should they be exempt.

And they should not be allowed to shoot restricted firearms on that range.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The main reason we let the RCMP back on our premises was because of strict rental agreements and damage restitution.
There are some that fear the RCMP would retaliate through the CFO but I think those fears are unfounded .
Many if our RCMP are also members up here .
Cat

I took part in drafting those rental agreements, and we did have to deal with a few violations of the agreement, but after making it clear that further violations would result in the end of rentals to the RCMP, compliance was accomplished. As to the fears of retaliation, unfounded or not, they did exist, and they still do.

[Pathfinder76]

Get the CFO in front of it post haste.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

If RCMP want to shoot on a public range they should have to have a membership like everyone else. Why should they be exempt.

In order to shoot outside of range rentals at out our range, all law enforcement must have memberships, and they must obey all rules just like any other member. That includes not being able to use banned firearms , even issue firearms, outside of range rentals. We did have to follow with all law enforcement, to reinforce this, but compliance is now very good.
As to "public" ranges, most are not public, they are membership only, which is why we can enforce our rules and why we can rent the range out.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I took part in drafting those rental agreements, and we did have to deal with a few violations of the agreement, but after making it clear that further violations would result in the end of rentals to the RCMP, compliance was accomplished. As to the fears of retaliation, unfounded or not, they did exist, and they still do.

Those fears are only expressed by a few and there will always be those that can only see the dark side of things .
The agreements have also changed a bit since you were a member .
As far as the CFO is concerned, our range just got reviewed again and passed with flying colors as far as our upgrades go.
There are some things required that I am not impressed with , but I personally can deal with them as they actually inconsequential.
Cat

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

In order to shoot outside of range rentals at out our range, all law enforcement must have memberships, and they must obey all rules just like any other member. That includes not being able to use banned firearms , even issue firearms, outside of range rentals. We did have to follow with all law enforcement, to reinforce this, but compliance is now very good.
As to "public" ranges, most are not public, they are membership only, which is why we can enforce our rules and why we can rent the range out.

That does not change the fact that there are firearms being used on your private range that are banned to the public. AND the organization that is using them is a player in the ban.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

That does not change the fact that there are firearms being used on your private range that are banned to the public. AND the organization that is using them is a player in the ban.

The general public haven't legally been able to open carry a sidearm since 1937 either, but I would rather the RCMP and other agencies use our range so at least they have some practice instead of us simply complaining that they are lousy shots with whatever they use on the job.
Cat

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The general public haven't legally been able to open carry a sidearm since 1937 either, but I would rather the RCMP and other agencies use our range so at least they have some practice instead of us simply complaining that they are lousy shots with whatever they use on the job.
Cat

Not good enough cat. They can fly to Regina to practice.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Those fears are only expressed by a few and there will always be those that can only see the dark side of things .
The agreements have also changed a bit since you were a member .
As far as the CFO is concerned, our range just got reviewed again and passed with flying colors as far as our upgrades go.
There are some things required that I am not impressed with , but I personally can deal with them as they actually inconsequential.
Cat

Our relationship with the current CFO has been excellent, we did have a few things to correct after the last certification, but they were quickly dealt with, and as you say, are inconsequential. And the CFO was also very helpful in expediting PAL renewals, after they sat months in the system with no progress.
As for the fears , they will always remain, and with the participation by the RCMP in the bans, the attitude towards the RCMP, is becoming more and more negative. Typically most range members are not anxious to report other members using a banned firearm at the range, but when someone shows up shooting an AR with unpinned magazines, obviously law enforcement, every member that sees them seems to contact us to report them. But on the other hand, those same members are too intimidated to intervene and inform the violators, that what they are doing is against the range rules. I have even been asked if I was worried about retaliation, after people saw me deal with the violators.

[catnthehat]

As an RSO personally I don't give a crap what a person uses and it is not my responsibility know as long as they do it safely .
There are so many individual restrictions and so- called workarounds out there, the only thing I can recognize that is banned is a full auto and the 50BMG.
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

As an RSO personally I don't give a crap what a person uses and it is not my responsibility know as long as they do it safely .
There are so many individual restrictions and so- called workarounds out there, the only thing I can recognize that is banned is a full auto and the 50BMG.
Cat

As a range executive, it is our responsibility to ensure that the range operates in not only a safe manner, but a legal manner as well. We can't knowingly allow illegal activities to take place on our premises, and having banned firearms being used, is illegal. So if we get a complaint, we are obligated to investigate the complaint. Given that we are all volunteers, we are not willing to spend our free time going over video, and then tracking down someone, only to discover that the person reported is law enforcement and can legally possess the firearm. A year ago, our local police showed up to investigate a complaint of people running around carelessly with handguns. The woke idiot that called them, was going to the biathlon facility next to our facility, and saw an IPSC group practising. So people are watching, and we do need to be accountable.
And then there is the fact that the majority of the membership that we represent, don't want law enforcement to be able to use firearms that they can't possess, shooting along side them as a member.
So we simply passed a rule that nobody can possess banned firearms on our range, except during law enforcement rentals/bookings. It is the easiest way to save ourselves a lot of effort/liability, while respecting the wishes of the members that we represent.

[catnthehat]

The only time any law enforcement is allowed to use a civilian banned firearm at our range is if they are in uniform and the range is booked for that agency, be it F&W, RCMP, Brinks or whatever.
As I stated earlier, I am not up on all the banned firearms, but if I do see someone using a banned firearm I will approach them about it .
Cat

[Pathfinder76]

Then they need to not be allowed as an organization to use private ranges. Full stop.

[W921]

If you are a land owner during hunting season everyone loves you and is a friend of yours. Apparently rcmp are sort of the same haha but for different reasons. Years ago it was different. After my father retired from the police everyone spoke really well of him. I truly believe that the public that dad served as chief of police actually liked my father. They didn't pretend to like him because they feared him or his uniform. Now this was back in the 60s and 70s.
Police that acted like a gang or officers who were just looking to make a bust or to pin it on someone was just something we saw on American TV shows like the Rockford Files. Federal troops targeting civilian gun owners was American like Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas.
Imagine druggies and bad guys who can now basically depending on their race and bank account go around and prey on what used to be the middle class and face no legal consequences but yet that same middle class is targeted not only by them but by certain Ottawa forces because they are an easy target that nobody cares about.
Haha we are same as Americans. Immigrants now treated better in some ways than normal citizens.
You can be a hard working tax paying, upstanding member of your community. It's not going to protect you or do you any good. Rcmp see you as a civilian the same as some civilian creeping around in some back alley at 2am in lethbridge. They don't see you as a equal or someone they are supposed to serve and protect That's what's wrong today.

[Strix]

Canada bans more shovels ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_SFg6Vw8Q

[tullfan]

[QUOTE=W921;4769162]If you are a land owner during hunting season everyone loves you and is a friend of yours. Apparently rcmp are sort of the same haha but for different reasons. Years ago it was different. After my father retired from the police everyone spoke really well of him. I truly believe that the public that dad served as chief of police actually liked my father. They didn't pretend to like him because they feared him or his uniform. Now this was back in the 60s and 70s.
Police that acted like a gang or officers who were just looking to make a bust or to pin it on someone was just something we saw on American TV shows like the Rockford Files. Federal troops targeting civilian gun owners was American like Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas.
Imagine druggies and bad guys who can now basically depending on their race and bank account go around and prey on what used to be the middle class and face no legal consequences but yet that same middle class is targeted not only by them but by certain Ottawa forces because they are an easy target that nobody cares about.
Haha we are same as Americans. Immigrants now treated better in some ways than normal citizens.
You can be a hard working tax paying, upstanding member of your community. It's not going to protect you or do you any good. Rcmp see you as a civilian the same as some civilian creeping around in some back alley at 2am in lethbridge. They don't see you as a equal or someone they are supposed to serve and protect That's what's wrong today.[/QUOTE

Whose going to protect you? This is probably out of context, and maybe of no value here, but when it comes to rights and freedoms, think about what the Canadian government did to the Japanese Canadians from '42 to about '49. Labeled it as "National security". When they needed protection the most. The government is not here to protect you.
But, hey. What do I know. Different times, different government

Tullfan

[Ackleyman]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

Considering the rcmp are partially responsible for the banning of guns in this country all ranges should ban the rcmp from using their ranges. Letting them in is simply ridiculous.

This is a great thought. EVERY range should send RCMP that currently use your range a letter that states due to the recent and seamingly never ending attack on lawful gun owners , and use of banned / prohibited firearms the RCMP as an organization , are no longer welcome....your "membership" is cancelled. Individual private membership may be possible. End of story. Why sleep with the enemy << a strong word but just sit back and they will have access to a lot of empty ranges.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Ackleyman

This is a great thought. EVERY range should send RCMP that currently use your range a letter that states due to the recent and seamingly never ending attack on lawful gun owners , and use of banned / prohibited firearms the RCMP as an organization , are no longer welcome....your "membership" is cancelled. Individual private membership may be possible. End of story. Why sleep with the enemy << a strong word but just sit back and they will have access to a lot of empty ranges.

Where it should come from is the CFO or the office of the Premier.

[elkhunter11]

The only way that I see to deal with the issue, is for a new government to abolish the entire RCMP firearms program. Fire all RCMP personnel that conspired with the liberals to draft the legislation, and form a civilian group to take over for them. Basically review all legislation , and go from there. The only problem would be, that the next liberal government, would replace them with their own stooges, to restart their own anti firearms agenda.

[32-40win]

They've added parts and accessories now, for businesses anyway, have to be in original packaging and also have the deadline of Apr30th on them. How much that will all add up to--no idea--more than the guns though.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safe...omponents.html