Sex on the Beach

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Well, just drove up Gateway past diamonds gentleman a club. Sign says trampede star Alexis fruller appearing. Didn't take long for her to jump start her career ��

Guess I'm not up on this sort of entertainment. Who's Alexis Fruller?

[gumby567]

If this guy or girl had been alone satisfying themselves on a beach/park/playground would you consider this punishment to be too much?

I bet most of you would be calling the cops and hoping that that self satisfying exhibitionist would end up with at least the same sentence and on a registry upon release.

Who knows, maybe Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka got their start this way but it was overlooked...

The fact that they were doing this and not concealing themselves at all speaks to some form of mental impairment on both parts.

I think that just because there were two of them and they were engaging with each other that doesn't forgive what they were exposing to children on the beach. There are plenty of adult only places to go if you are interested in having an audience for your sex life maybe try a swingers club.

And hey, if your heart is set on having sex on a public beach perhaps you could do it long after dark in the wee hours of the morning before the kids are up looking for seashells with their grandparents.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Guess I'm not up on this sort of entertainment. Who's Alexis Fruller?

I had to look it up too, she was the crossbar in the 'letter H' that gained dubious fame in the Stampede Threesome. Her Daddy must be oh so proud.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

I had to look it up too, she was the crossbar in the 'letter H' that gained dubious fame in the Stampede Threesome. Her Daddy must be oh so proud.

I like the way you put that

[dumoulin]

North Americans are so prudish! Lol

[canadiantdi]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Ever see cats getting it on ? Now that might traumatize a kid, yet I'd bet that hundreds of thousands of kids of all ages witness that every year.

I remember the neighbors kid getting all worried because out doggies tail was stuck to their doggies tail. She seems perfectly normal today.
She's a wonderful mother of her own little girl and a productive member of society, well liked, well adjusted, salt of the earth.

How is that even possible !

Where do people get the idea that sex is somehow a disease or toxic or whatever it is that makes them think that merely witnessing it would damage a kid.

Yeah it's tacky to do it in public but worthy of legal action! Seems to me that this society has gone off the tracks.

How does it make sense to send a couple to prison for a bit of sweaty recreation while the same court set a drug trafficker free in exchange for a plea bargain.

If they want to make a deal, make drug trafficking a death sentence offense and then plea bargain it down to life in prison.

As for the couple on the beach, if the court wants to sentence them maybe a sentence similar to the one meted out to the only person convicted in the sponsorship scandal would be appropriate.

Sentence them to teach a sex education course at the local school.
I bet that would be more of a deterrent then any prison sentence.

Keg... really?

[CMichaud]

My issue is the sentence for the guy vs the girl. They should have received the same penalty as it takes two to tangle.

I get the guy had been convicted of previously dealing but that seems rather unrelated to having sex on a beach with his girlfriend.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by canadiantdi

Keg... really?

Think about it. Just how public was this really.

Would you sit and watch a couple getting frisky in front out you children or grande children? Of course you wouldn't.

So why did no one remove those kids before it went too far? Why did no one call authorities before it went too far?

The answer is obvious. No one saw them. Why? Because they were not in public view. They found a secluded place but the kids discovered their hiding place.

A misdemeanor at most.

But I guess I have a different prospective. Growing up on the farm public sex was a part of life. Not humans of course but really what's the difference? The act is the same.

Of course humans are supposed to have common sense and common sense should tell a person that it is a private act and should be kept private.
But how does it become a criminal act?
When someone is forced to participate against their will.

No one was forced in this situation. The couple thought they were hidden.
A bad choice, poor judgement, and accident, call it what you will. I don't see the criminal intent. Nor do I think for one second that any kids were harmed, any more then they are by the graphic sex on TV and the internet.
Or by seeing animals get it on, and you don't have to live on a farm for that. Dogs and cats do it too.

So maybe some think that as a Christian I should be leading the charge to have these people hung. Maybe some who call themselves Christian would take that stance. I do not.

I read in my Bible about a woman caught in the very act of adultery.

How was she caught in the act? Did her husband come home early?
Her husband is not even mentioned, if indeed she was married.

And why was it that the church elders were the ones to bring her to Jesus for judgement ? Was the woman caught doing the dirty on a public beach?

We will never know the details but we do know how Jesus responded.

Obviously he didn't see it as a criminal offense. Why should I ?

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

I had to look it up too, she was the crossbar in the 'letter H' that gained dubious fame in the Stampede Threesome. Her Daddy must be oh so proud.

ok, I'm WAY WAY out of the loop. Stampede Threesome??????

[Opa]

Hell, when I was a young upstanding gentleman, the head lifeguard at one of our National Parks in the early '70s, it was a common occurence to see the action, whatever time day. You would just walk by, checking where you could find your next conquest!!(the California girls were the friendliest) Tended to happen rather often. In retrospect, if it was my daughter or grand daughter being "pleasured", I would probably come loose, to say the least!!

[kevinhits]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

wasn't there a public display of affection at the stampede recently? Wonder how that'll go over in comparison...

bingo

[Skybuster]

Keg, your arguments, discussions, whatever, mirror my thoughts on this situation. When did consensual sex become a crime? Because some overly sensitive parents/grandparents were offended? I wonder what they think when they see a horse in a field with his bang-dangler out scraping the ground, must make them faint.

As far as harming kids because they see this? Come on, TV shows it. Anyone with Internet access sees it all the time. If you find it offensive, turn away, report it to the cops. And absolutely there should be a punishment. But I say a stiff fine, or like was posted have them teach a class. Granted this guy already had a criminal record. Now his girlfriend does too. Thats for life. Why place them in that group. What is our intent in applying up to a 15 year jail term? I am finding more and more our society is going off the deep end regarding acts that I have not thought of as so heinous. We need to stop and take a deep breath. The punishment should fit the crime.

[kevinhits]

Originally Posted by gumby567

If this guy or girl had been alone satisfying themselves on a beach/park/playground would you consider this punishment to be too much?

I bet most of you would be calling the cops and hoping that that self satisfying exhibitionist would end up with at least the same sentence and on a registry upon release.

Who knows, maybe Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka got their start this way but it was overlooked...

The fact that they were doing this and not concealing themselves at all speaks to some form of mental impairment on both parts.

I think that just because there were two of them and they were engaging with each other that doesn't forgive what they were exposing to children on the beach. There are plenty of adult only places to go if you are interested in having an audience for your sex life maybe try a swingers club.

And hey, if your heart is set on having sex on a public beach perhaps you could do it long after dark in the wee hours of the morning before the kids are up looking for seashells with their grandparents.

Really Gumby...Comparing a situation like this to Paul and Karla...Come on man

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Skybuster

When did consensual sex become a crime? .

Call me an old fogey, but doing it in public is a crime, and I'm fine with it staying that way. I just think the punishment meted out is way too extreme.

[kevinhits]

WOW...I cannot believe how this made mainstream news...LOL..

I am a conservative and cannot believe the sentence for this guy...

Now if it was 2.5 years for his drug charge, I can go with that

[Skybuster]

It used to be that a 17 year old kid would go out to a local viewpoint and make out with his girlfriend. I considered this part of growing up, a wonderful part.

Now if a kid does that and some granny walks by with her grandchildren both teenagers could end up with a jail sentence, a criminal record and get listed on the sex offenders list.

Really? That's where we want to go?

Oh wait, they weren't on a public beach, it was a little more sccluded. They only get a one year sentence.

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

ok, I'm WAY WAY out of the loop. Stampede Threesome??????

Google is your friend.

[kevinhits]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Call me an old fogey, but doing it in public is a crime, and I'm fine with it staying that way. I just think the punishment meted out is way too extreme.

X2
Yes...it is a crime and they should know better....punishment is way extreme in my opinion

[kevinhits]

Originally Posted by doetracks

Google is your friend.

I still cannot find the video

[Skybuster]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Call me an old fogey, but doing it in public is a crime, and I'm fine with it staying that way. I just think the punishment meted out is way too extreme.

Point taken, I believe sex, even exposure in public has always been a crime. I don't particularly agree with that but I don't think that is something new.

And I don't think it should be allowed. But I struggle with how easily we can plant a criminal record on someone. Too often the law is written allowing for a large portion of discretion to be applied in meting out the punishment. But from what I have seen lately that discretion is disappearing and the law is being applied very harshly. This scenario is a point in example.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by kevinhits

I still cannot find the video

While you are at it, look for the video of the Florida crime we are talking about. I'd be curious to see how crowded the beach really was. Were they among a mass of sunbathers, or 200 yards down the beach from anyone?

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by kevinhits

I still cannot find the video

I guess Google isn't YOUR friend, then!

[kevinhits]

Originally Posted by doetracks

I guess Google isn't YOUR friend, then!

Tried Google....Guess it does not work for me

[kevinhits]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

While you are at it, look for the video of the Florida crime we are talking about. I'd be curious to see how crowded the beach really was. Were they among a mass of sunbathers, or 200 yards down the beach from anyone?

I was agreeing with you....Yes, it is a crime but the punishment was way to severe

[bb356]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

ok, I'm WAY WAY out of the loop. Stampede Threesome??????

Message sent !!!

[bb356]

2.5 year's .... way to stiff !!!

[New Hunter Okotoks]

This did not happen in the bushes off the beaten path. Some old granny with grand kids in tow did not happen to walk by while they were trying to be discreet. They did this in broad daylight (see what I did there) with a lot of children present. She got on top of him and was grinding on him with her bikini pulled to the side. People at a beach are generally relaxing so anything out of the ordinary is going to get attention. A girl pulling her bikini to the side and then getting on top of a guy and grinding away is obviously going to get the attention of every single person present. As far as I can tell, I can see absolutely no difference with them doing it right there in front of children at the beach and them doing it on a table at the food court in front of Toys R Us. If there is a difference, I would love to know what it is.

The point is that they knew full well that young children were present and yet chose to do it anyway. That is so many different kinds of wrong it's silly.

Keg, comparing what they did to a couple of wild animals is a very far stretch. If there is no difference with people and wild animals having intercourse, then I guess by that thinking, it should be ok for 2 people to have intercourse outside a daycare centre? I would hope that you would think that morally and ethically wrong, but by your previous post; I'm not so sure.

The guy got the heavier sentence because of his prior drug conviction. Him being 20 years older than her probably didn't help him much in court either.

Anybody who thinks that they can knowingly perform a blatant sexual act in front of very young children should be on the dangerous offender list as far as I'm concerned.

[greylynx]

What if those two were deviants like transsexuals and homosexuals? I bet the above threads would be protecting their rights to kingdom come.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Call me an old fogey, but doing it in public is a crime, and I'm fine with it staying that way. I just think the punishment meted out is way too extreme.

I see no problem with that stance.

If it is on public property and you get caught, live with the consequences.
Sounds reasonable to me.

I do take as stand of that nature when it comes to conservation law.
I don't agree with every conservation law but I do believe in obeying them to the best of my ability. I believe it is in our best interests to do so.

There are conservation laws I do not agree with, but I believe the proper response is to seek to have those laws changed, and until then, I do my best to obey them.

Seems to me that it would not make sense to take such a stance with one category of law and not all.

With this story I am not taking a stand against the law, only the sentence.

Personally I think we make too much fuss over what is a very natural act.
Whether we are talking about prosecuting public displays or distribution of videos ext. I don't see the reason for the fascination.

On a personal level I get the reason for the interest but to me watching others would be much like watching someone drink a glass of good wine.

It does nothing to quench my thirst or please my palate.

Take away the private aspect and what are you left with? Not a criminal act to my mind.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by greylynx

What if those two were deviants like transsexuals and homosexuals? I bet the above threads would be protecting their rights to kingdom come.

Exactly.