A new Mountain Rifle?

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by freejoe

I don't think you have even tried to cycle one, sure it is not a sako but they shoot just as tight as one

x2

Mind you my Savage is 1963 vintage. A little more quality was put in to them in those days.

[Mountain Guy]

Anybody heard when these new models will available ?

[gitrdun]

I've hunted with an M70 in 7mmRM scoped with an M8 6X and Grand Slams 175gr nearly all my life. Never felt the need to anything more.

[coldredneck]

Was just looking at it , nice looking rifle.
Weight is definately in the right range.
I would probably take the 111 Lightweight hunter in 6.5X284 Norma , its a little bit heavier at 6lbs to account for the long action instead of short action but I would take that trade off in return for long distance accuracy.

I have the Savage 111 Long Range Hunter in 6.5x284 and love it.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/m...ONGRANGEHUNTER


You get the synthetic Accustock along with Accutrigger on this model but the weight at 8.65lbs is a bit prohibitative for crawling rocks at altitude all day. Loaded up with bases , rings , and a Zeiss 4.5-14x 44 with a Z-800 recticle she comes in at 10lbs. A bit heavier but not prohibative.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by coldredneck

Was just looking at it , nice looking rifle.
Weight is definately in the right range.
I would probably take the 111 Lightweight hunter in 6.5X284 Norma , its a little bit heavier at 6lbs to account for the long action instead of short action but I would take that trade off in return for long distance accuracy.

I have the Savage 111 Long Range Hunter in 6.5x284 and love it.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/m...ONGRANGEHUNTER


You get the synthetic Accustock along with Accutrigger on this model but the weight at 8.65lbs is a bit prohibitative for crawling rocks at altitude all day. Loaded up with bases , rings , and a Zeiss 4.5-14x 44 with a Z-800 recticle she comes in at 10lbs. A bit heavier but not prohibative.

6.5x284 is not a prefered hunting caliber. But you'll soon find out Grasshoper.

[catnthehat]

Bit of a hi-jack, b but empty your in box gitrdun!!
Cat

[duffy4]

"a prefered hunting caliber"??????

If rifle makers only chambered their guns in "preferred hunting calibers" (cartridges) We'd have a pretty slim number to choose from.

Luckily some hunters prefer to use out of the ordinary cartridges just because.

i like the look i have always been a big fan of wood good for savage keeping it real

[rembo]

interesting machine work on the action...the slots are just dirt catchers....the helix on the bolt flutes is way too tight I think, but, the more helix angle you have the longer your flutes are..saves more weight.....the barrel threads are visible ahead of the nut....this could be just a mock-up rifle though....what's with the flat on the bottom of the fore-end..one can't imagine how much weight they saved there,a half cubic inch of plain walnut can't be that heavy, or is it actually hollowed out?...if so, they could have hollowed it from the inside...........they could lose the detachable mag...
they could have checkered the stock also...and fluted the barrel....It might sell well though.

[eric2381]

Originally Posted by gitrdun

6.5x284 is not a prefered hunting caliber. But you'll soon find out Grasshoper.

Care to give a good reason why the 6.5x284 is not a "preferred" hunting caliber? And don't use the BS that you can't buy ammo for it in little towns. I have hunted around a bit and have never had to buy ammo cuz I ran out or forgot it. That's a mistake that shouldn't be made.

[Leeper]

It almost looks to me as if they hollowed out the forend from the outside. All in all, the stock shape isn't bad but that's about all I can say on the positive side. Blued steel in wood is just fine. I have a rack of them and they work.
I hope the threads in that receiver are the 1.060 version. Otherwise, there isn't much material left in the ring.
The funny thing is; a lot of the guys who will buy these rifles will then saddle them with a 3.5x10x50mm scope and a bipod! Leeper

[coldredneck]

I have to ask the same question too Gitrdun
Why would you say the 6.5x284 is not a prefered hunting caliber???

The 6.5mm bullet is superior ballistically to most other rounds out there and has taken more then its fair share of game.
The animal on the other end dosent care if the round is from a 260 rem / 6.5x55 SM , etc , etc , etc
The fact that the 6.5x284 is a known barrel burner and the rounds are coming out at a little over 3000ft/sec has nothing to do with not being adequate to get the job done.
A 130g Accubond leaving the barrel at 2900ft per sec is still carrying 1200 ft/ lbs and has only dropped 46" at 490yds

The specs for 140g bergers are even better.

The 6.5mm Bullet in ~140g are getting ballsitic coefficients of near .600 in G1
Lapuas 142gn FMJ is .636

Please explain what I'm missing here

[eric2381]

The people that bash the 6.5s, have never used them.

[eric2381]

Double post, sorry.

[coldredneck]

Total agreement , Eric

Originally Posted by eric2381

The people that bash the 6.5s, have never used them.

Kinda like Savages too!

[coldredneck]

x2 Sheep.
Maybe not the prettiest girl on the rack but she sure works good and at a more then reasonable price

[eric2381]

Don't get me wrong, I am honestly not a big savage fan. I've got one of thier model 12 benchrest models and like it but don't like the synthetic 111 rifles.

I am glad that other people like them but they are not for me.

[eric2381]

Don't get me wrong, I am honestly not a big savage fan. I've got one of thier model 12 benchrest models and like it but don't like the synthetic 111 rifles.

I am glad that other people like them but they are not for me.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by eric2381

Care to give a good reason why the 6.5x284 is not a "preferred" hunting caliber? And don't use the BS that you can't buy ammo for it in little towns. I have hunted around a bit and have never had to buy ammo cuz I ran out or forgot it. That's a mistake that shouldn't be made.

Sure. "prefered" only implies that not a whole lot of people use it. Not necessarily meaning that it isn't capable, nor that it isn't a good choice, nor does it have anything to do with ammo availability in a one horse town. Simply take a walk though an on-line store listing for various popular "hunting" firearm makers that are "prefered" by the average N. American hunter...Remington 700? Winchester M70? Browning? - not much for offerings in 6.5x284. Savage which a lot of people prefer to put down is probably the kindest of them all in that caliber offering. Cooper will make you one, for a nominal fee. Kimber? nope. Would I hunt with a 6.5 x 284? - heck yes, but I would still recognize it a not being prefered by the majorities. But I wouldn't get my chit in a knot because someone didn't think that the sun shines outta my pet caliber's flash hole

What is a "prefered" caliber - 30-06 all the way, and I don't even own one.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by eric2381

The people that bash the 6.5s, have never used them.

I truly don't see any "bashing" of the 6.5 anywhere in this thread.

[eric2381]

Originally Posted by gitrdun

6.5x284 is not a prefered hunting caliber. But you'll soon find out Grasshoper.

When you call someone a Grasshopper it most often means they are beneath you in intelligence or experience. So when you state that the 6.5x284 is not a "preferred" hunting chambering, I would hope that you had some real life experience with it.

I have no plans on getting into a disagreement here, but I'm going to state my point based on my experience.

[coldredneck]

No worries "grasshopper" here is 44 years old and has been shooting / reloading and having a heck of a lot of fun out there for 26 of those years.

I did notice that Gitr isnt on much past 10 pm and assuming that he feels I"m a young pup leads me to guess that he is well past his prime and probably dosnt stay up "late" anymore. Seniors need their rest.

Maybe one suggestion for future thought would be to change
"Prefered" over to " Common" hunting caliber ??? Just a thought.....

[gramps73]

Does this rifle come in left hand?
g73

[Tundra Monkey]

Originally Posted by gramps73

Does this rifle come in left hand?
g73

No Sir it does not

tm

[Mountain Guy]

Originally Posted by sheephunter

Savage's new Model 11 Lightweight Hunter 5.5 pounds. Too bad they put a wood stock on it though. There's a long action version that comes in at 6 pounds even.

Anybody any smarter than a week ago about this gun?
Gun shops I've talked to don't have any clue..

[xring_assassin]

Has anyone found these rifles in Canada yet?

I want one in 260....I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE 6.5mm bore....they just SHOOT so well!

Savage - love them too - sticky bolt lift is easy to cure...ten minutes and parts you can get free if you're smart enough to find a 38special, 357mag case and a 177cal bb.
ht tp://w w w.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1660661

Yup they're ugly guns - but the accuracy out of the box is tough to top!

[hot to hunt]

Lived and hunted in Northern BC for 12 years. Used to believe at first that you need that stainless, synthetic stalk for hunting and trekking in some pretty harsh country. I had a Remington synthetic stalker in 7MM. 26" bbl and it was like packing around a chunk of sch. 80 pipe on your shoulder. It held up to the occasional bang and clang but most of which could of been avoided if the damn thing wasn't so long.
After about 2 years of packing it around I went to my Ruger M77 International. Chambered in .308 and only 39" long and weighing just over 7 pounds it quickly became my "mountain rifle". Cringed the first couple of times the butt would bounce off a rock but it only made you more careful. Still have it today and the 7MM is long gone. Regretably no sheep ever fell in sight of her X hairs but a number of goats, elk, moose, and 2 caribou did. Never trade her for anything.
If I were afraid of ever getting a scratch or a ding they'd never leave the gun safe.

[elkhunter11]

i have no synthetic stocks and never plan to buy any... don;t get the worng impression, I'm only 33 years old! But why buy plastic when you can buy wood. It you plan on scratching it up, buy wood and let it scratch. It's not like field grade wood stocks are expensive.

I don't buy plastic stocks. However , I do buy composite stocks for the simple reason that they are more stable in changing humidity, than a wood stock can be. I don't want to miss the shot of a lifetime on a great ram, because the point of impact changed after a week of wet weather.
Most composite stocks are also much stronger than wood should a hunter take a fall. I have been on two hunts where hunters fell on walnut stocked guns that broke into two pieces, so it does happen.

As such, I don't take wood stocked rifles into the mountains, and I for one wouldn't consider the Savage in question for a mountain hunt.

Lived and hunted in Northern BC for 12 years. Used to believe at first that you need that stainless, synthetic stalk for hunting and trekking in some pretty harsh country. I had a Remington synthetic stalker in 7MM. 26" bbl and it was like packing around a chunk of sch. 80 pipe on your shoulder.

Remington Synthetic Stalker with 26" barrel ????? Browning made a Composite Stalker, as well as a Stainless Stalker, and both had 26" barrels in the 7mmremmag chambering, but I am not aware of a Remington Synthetic Stalker.

[hot to hunt]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I don't buy plastic stocks. However , I do buy composite stocks for the simple reason that they are more stable in changing humidity, than a wood stock can be. I don't want to miss the shot of a lifetime on a great ram, because the point of impact changed after a week of wet weather.
Most composite stocks are also much stronger than wood should a hunter take a fall. I have been on two hunts where hunters fell on walnut stocked guns that broke into two pieces, so it does happen.

As such, I don't take wood stocked rifles into the mountains, and I for one wouldn't consider the Savage in question for a mountain hunt.



Remington Synthetic Stalker with 26" barrel ????? Browning made a Composite Stalker, as well as a Stainless Stalker, and both had 26" barrels in the 7mmremmag chambering, but I am not aware of a Remington Synthetic Stalker.

There's no "smiley" for embarrased. Your right ElkHunter, it was a Browning. Last fall I bought a Remington CDL in 300 Winchester. Also bringing up the humidity issue with wood stocks is a really good point.