Monolithics vs Lead core (non bonded)

[JBE]

Just to show that nothing is 100%

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by JBE

Just to show that nothing is 100%

As I stated n the other thread, with over 50 years of hunting behind me with all sorts of differnt bullets, my first choice these days is a .311, 150 grain Barnes at 2774 out of the muzzle with over 30 kills on it so far.
It doesn't have to be yours, but it sure is mine!
I raise your sample of one with the only one I have ever recovered - and it was about half the distance from the furthest one shot kill I have made with them.
Cat

[Pointer man]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

As I stated n the other thread, with over 50 years of hunting behind me with all sorts of differnt bullets, my first choice these days is a .311, 150 grain Barnes at 2774 out of the muzzle with over 30 kills on it so far.
It doesn't have to be yours, but it sure is mine!
I raise your sample of one with the only one I have ever recovered - and it was about half the distance from the furthest one shot kill I have made with them.
Cat

I think the point he is trying to make, is that none of them are perfect. It gets old hearing how everything but the Barnes has the potential to fail, when in fact they to can fail.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Pointer man

I think the point he is trying to make, is that none of them are perfect. It gets old hearing how everything but the Barnes has the potential to fail, when in fact they to can fail.

That is exactly what I gave been saying for years.
And for the record I have never said anything but a Barnes will fail,only that that the .311 150 TSX bullet is my first choice these days .
The two deer I shot yesterday were NOT shot with that Bullet or even the cartridge of my choice ( 139 grain SST's from a 280) , but they went down with one shot each. Lots of damage, but bullet failure? Hardly ....
Cat

[Pointer man]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

That is exactly what I gave been saying for years.
And for the record I have never said anything but a Barnes will fail,only that that the .311 150 TSX bullet is my first choice these days .
The two deer I shot yesterday were NOT shot with that Bullet or even the cartridge of my choice ( 139 grain SST's from a 280) , but they went down with one shot each. Lots of damage, but bullet failure? Hardly ....
Cat

I didn't claim you did, just stating that it gets old. It's no different then the mechanical vs fixed broadhead debate, it's never going to end so why bother.

There seems to be 2 camps when it comes to bullet selection. Pick a side, know the bullet and cartridge limitations, shoot it and have fun.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Pointer man

I think the point he is trying to make, is that none of them are perfect. It gets old hearing how everything but the Barnes has the potential to fail, when in fact they to can fail.

Of course they aren’t and of course they do. I can say the same thing about the droning on and on about how Barnes bullets are no good at killing game. Both camps have almost no experience. It’s obvious.

[Pointer man]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Of course they aren’t and of course they do. I can say the same thing about the droning on and on about how Barnes bullets are no good at killing game. Both camps have almost no experience. It’s obvious.

Based on?

I hate to be an ass but if you were to total up your groups kills, it would still be an extremely small sample size. I'm glad you are having great success with them and your obviously happy with the results. Like I said in the post below, pick a bullet construction, know it's limitations, shoot it and enjoy yourself.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Pointer man

Based on?

I hate to be an ass but if you were to total up your groups kills, it would still be an extremely small sample size. I'm glad you are having great success with them and your obviously happy with the results. Like I said in the post below, pick a bullet construction, know it's limitations, shoot it and enjoy yourself.

250 to 300 kills is one heck of a lot more than 3.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

250 to 300 kills is one heck of a lot more than 3.

If you don't beleive Pathfinder is the best of the best at all things related to hunting or shooting, just ask him . A legend in the making, right befor our eyes.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Salavee

If you don't beleive Pathfinder is the best of the best at all things related to hunting or shooting, just ask him . A legend in the making, right befor our eyes.

I never said I was the best. But I can sure count on you to troll me.

I find it absolutely amazing that people don’t want to hear anything that contradicts their own desire.

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

I never said I was the best. But I can sure count on you to troll me.

I find it absolutely amazing that people don’t want to hear anything that contradicts their own desire.

What is your name?

My name is Gord. and for sure you can bet I'm not a troliung you. Got better things to do. I just happen to bump into your posts every time I 'm on here. Some are interesting, many others not so much. I'm.Just not a member of the Pathfinder fan club. Pardon me if I say that out loud.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Salavee

My name is Gord. and for sure you can bet I'm not a troliung you. Got better things to do. I just happen to bump into your posts every time I 'm on here. Some are interesting, many others not so much. I'm.Just not a member of the Pathfinder fan club. Pardon me if I say that out loud.

Put me on ignore Gord.

[Bushleague]

Gonna be the odd man out here, but I still like round nosed Corelocts. In my observations its a bullet that delivers a noticeable bit of energy on deer, while still being tough enough to punch through a moose shoulder if needed.

Probably not the best choice in a fast magnum or for long range shooting, but in the rounds I use and at the ranges typically shoot, I've found them to be very reliable performers.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Bushleague

Gonna be the odd man out here, but I still like round nosed Corelocts. In my observations its a bullet that delivers a noticeable bit of energy on deer, while still being tough enough to punch through a moose shoulder if needed.

Probably not the best choice in a fast magnum or for long range shooting, but in the rounds I use and at the ranges typically shoot, I've found them to be very reliable performers.

You are not the odd man put at all, many of us still shoot levers with round nosed bullets, I use cup and core 160's in my 6.5x54 MS in fact, and I know Dick284 uses flat nosed bullets in his Marlin lever.
I also use the big 215 grain KKSP's in my father's Lee Enfield.
As I said earlier , a balance is needed when choosing a rifle / bullet combination .
Cat

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

You are not the odd man put at all, many of us still shoot levers with round nosed bullets, I use cup and core 160's in my 6.5x54 MS in fact, and I know Dick284 uses flat nosed bullets in his Marlin lever.
I also use the big 215 grain KKSP's in my father's Lee Enfield.
As I said earlier , a balance is needed when choosing a rifle / bullet combination .
Cat

I’ve been known to run……
154 Hornady RN’s in the 7x57, 185 Lapua Mega RN in the MM. I also have some CIL 200 grain .358” RN’s I might try in the .358Win someday.

[slough shark]

I started reloading a 168 grain ttsx for my 30-06 a few years back after I shot a deer at around 400 yards and it didn’t pass through, didn’t even hit any major bones, just rib with a 180 grain hornady interlock I had a bit of a time finding it as it went over 100 yards into tall grass and short bush, without the exit wound there was virtually no blood. The following year I shot a moose twice at around 200 yards, both pass throughs, anima went maybe 20 yards, since then shot a number of other animals with similar results. My gun likes the ttsx and the performance has been spot on so I’ll be sticking with that unless something better comes along.

[Bushleague]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

You are not the odd man put at all, many of us still shoot levers with round nosed bullets, I use cup and core 160's in my 6.5x54 MS in fact, and I know Dick284 uses flat nosed bullets in his Marlin lever.
I also use the big 215 grain KKSP's in my father's Lee Enfield.
As I said earlier , a balance is needed when choosing a rifle / bullet combination .
Cat

For sure on the balance thing. And IMO, so long as you dont need a high BC, a round/ flat nose is a good way to get a bullet to dump energy faster without making much compromise on the penetration end of things. I'm sure though, that there are plenty who would dispute that.

[catnthehat]

I shot a couple of deer the other day with a rifle/ cartridge combination I had set up for a long range hunt that didn't happen.
I wasn't worried about using the SST's in the 280 though because we have no snow yet and I didn't want to have to track in thick bush adjoining the field in case of a
"OH DANG!" Hit and there was a good chance of a 250- 300 yard shot .
Both shots were under 150, one broadside and one frontal , both very fast offhand shots .
Both "didn't go 20"
Both bullets expanded dramatically, doing exactly what I expected them to do, no surprises .
The broadside had more meat loss than I was hoping for. But it is what it is .
Cat

[kingrat]

Originally Posted by JBE

Just to show that nothing is 100%

Caliber, distance,animal, shot placement etc? Did it deflect on something possibly?

[GoneOutdoors]

I guess this fits here...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...48969723049136

[Bushleague]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I shot a couple of deer the other day with a rifle/ cartridge combination I had set up for a long range hunt that didn't happen.
I wasn't worried about using the SST's in the 280 though because we have no snow yet and I didn't want to have to track in thick bush adjoining the field in case of a
"OH DANG!" Hit and there was a good chance of a 250- 300 yard shot .
Both shots were under 150, one broadside and one frontal , both very fast offhand shots .
Both "didn't go 20"
Both bullets expanded dramatically, doing exactly what I expected them to do, no surprises .
The broadside had more meat loss than I was hoping for. But it is what it is .
Cat

Wondering what weight you used, and how you think they'd do at close range?

Thinking of trying 180 grain SST's in my 30-06 for deer. I cant always find the RN ammo, and the other mechanically locked and/or bonded 180's that I use tend to produce somewhat "meh" kills on deer. Given that the shot ranges average about 40 yards it seems like going to a faster opening bullet makes more sense than going to a lighter one, though the SST's seem like they might be a little TOO fragile for my purposes.

[Bushleague]

Since its show and tell, heres a .30 cal 165 grain spire point Corelok. Shot out of a 30-06 it struck a quartering doe behind the shoulder at about 50 yards, took out one lung and a liver, broke a rib or two at each end and was just under the hide.

Results were dramatic and I'd consider the perfomance pretty much ideal for deer, it didnt have to break a huge amount of bone but the impact velocity was fairly high. It basically seems just tough enough to get the job done in a wost case scenario, which what I want out of a deer bullet.

RIMG0091 by , on Flickr

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Bushleague

Wondering what weight you used, and how you think they'd do at close range?

Thinking of trying 180 grain SST's in my 30-06 for deer. I cant always find the RN ammo, and the other mechanically locked and/or bonded 180's that I use tend to produce somewhat "meh" kills on deer. Given that the shot ranges average about 40 yards it seems like going to a faster opening bullet makes more sense than going to a lighter one, though the SST's seem like they might be a little TOO fragile for my purposes.

I was using 139 grain SST's, and I know when they get down on velocity they still expand well , so had set the gun up for a long range hunt where the typical range started at 400 yards.
I knew when I lined up on both shots what was likely to happen so was not really surprised at the amount of lost meat due to the higher velocity at the shorter ranges .
In fact I was surprised that there was not more.
Both kills had exit wounds BTW
I previously loaded this rifle with 162 Interlocks for my younger brother who killed some big moose with it.
The last time I shot it was with 145 Speers and it did well on two white tails, and the third ended up in a goat ropin'
Cat

[Bushleague]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

This is pretty spot on. I will add that we seem to be going back in time. John Nosler had issues with C&C bullets on a Canadian moose over 75 years ago. He thought that there had to be a better mousetrap. Now the trend is 1940’s technology. Like we are revolutionizing bullet technology all over again.

I’ve shot the most game with Nosler ballistic tips and mono metals. They do different things to game. But I prefer the latter in most situations.

I like that story, but I think the moral I take away is totally different than most...
*
IIRC John Nosler was using a 300WBY, the moose was at close range, and depending on the version also covered in mud. I tend to think that if John had been a 30-06 guy he'd would never have quit his day job.

[Vigsy]

Originally Posted by J.B.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1qN...QGuDAq0niYrdog

This is episode 469, the first in the series. The other two are episode 470 and 479.

these were wildly interesting! thank you for posting.