Tracking Wounded Big Game With A Dog

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Agree, what are other provinces doing to allow this to safely be done then implement it in ours.

The people that I know that use blood trailing dogs for wounded game keep their dogs leashed.
I'm not sure how the legalities work in all jurisdictions.
Cat

[cowmanbob]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Well if the CO watches from a distance as they often due, bino's, spotting scope are their number one tools of the trade....you locate the deer with the dog then what? Tag it and start the field dressing process and the CO walks up...now the decision how to write this up is on him, warning, fines, suspensions....even if you walk on by and come back later still might have a few questions to answer...don't get me wrong I think a dog on a leash should be totally acceptable and at no time is this tracking dog allowed off the leash but we aint there so I wouldn't even push the limit of the law regarding dogs to track big game and if so be prepared to accept full responsibility if caught.

I guess the hunter in question could also go and shoot another deer.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Yea, ok.

You can walk into Walmart today with one of those. Guess which one.

So you agree with all of the firearms regulations? Would you agree that many of our laws are based on politics, not on on actual logic?.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 3blade

It’s very different, in fact it’s right there in my post

A dog has a mind and teeth of its own, it does what it wants in the moment.

A gun sits perfectly inert until a human uses it.

If you can’t see the difference, you shouldn’t own either.

People have a mind of their own, but people can use firearms and other weapons to do far more damage than any dog. Some people can see how illogical our laws are, yet some let personal fears and paranoia keep them from being objective.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So you agree with all of the firearms regulations? Would you agree that many of our laws are based on politics, not on on actual logic?.

I agree that you are taking this into left field.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

I agree that you are taking this into left field.

You had no problems trying use handguns to justify your opinion. And it's you and one other poster using your personal phobias, as justification for our no dogs for tracking big game legislation.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So as I suspected, none of the attacks were the result of dogs being used to hunt. It's obvious that you have deep psychological issues pertaining to dogs, but your paranoia, is no basis to restrict the use of dogs to track wounded big game. It's no different than the anti firearms activists wanting all hunters disarmed, because criminals have used firearms to harm people.

I brought up firearms first? Unbelievable.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

You had no problems trying use handguns to justify your opinion.

Nice edit.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

I guess the hunter in question could also go and shoot another deer.

Therein lies the rub. Which is a better result?
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Nice edit.

I mentioned legislation, you took it to handguns, and tried to use that argument to justify your opinion. You didn't mention left field, until well after you used handguns in your argument.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Therein lies the rub. Which is a better result?
Cat

Even avoiding the wasted animal factor, for the people using their anti dog safety phobias as justification, having that hunter in the field shooting at other animals, exposes the public to possible injury from the additional gunshots. And before people dismiss that, which is more likely, a hunter being accidentally shot, or a leashed tracking dog attacking some innocent person? I hear about more people being shot, than being wounded/killed by runaway hunting dogs.

[rugerfan]

With how hunting is defined in the wildlife act even “taking the dog for a walk” without a firearm could still be considered hunting and thus illegal. That being said I would support a change in legislation to allow for tracking dogs provided they are kept leashed. With the relatively recent changes to allow pack dogs in certain wmu’s there may even be a chance of it happening if the right people get behind it.

[sns2]

I don’t get it. Hunters wanting to limit the opportunities of other hunters, and disallow something that would recover wounded game, and on a leash no less. Sad state of affairs. And no, neither of my dogs are trained to blood track or will they ever be.

[Dick284]

What an entertaining thread.

No it isn’t.

We as hunters are doomed, because we refuse to look beyond our preset notions and biases.

Carry on, you’re doing marvellous.

[DirtShooter]

I'd rather handgun carry be legal than tracking with dogs. Way more benefits to carrying than tracking with hounds. Hunting or not.

[Pathfinder76]

It’s like a local cat hunter. I’ve got his dogs on trail camera on property he has no permission on. But the dogs just got away, or got lost. lol. Heaven forbid we limit his opportunity.

The issue isn’t recovering the deer. The issue is absolute abuse of it. And again, people can’t even keep their dog on a leash when required

[Lefty-Canuck]

Illegal in Alberta currently but it should not be.

LC

[tikka250]

Ahh the good ol Alberta outdoorsman style thread.
OP. I would like to be able to use a trained dog to effectively and humanely locate a lost or wounded animal.

Outdoorsman. " There is no way that should be allowed!! You will start gunfights and get your face bitten off!!"

My personal opinion is to appease the guys who always think the privilege will be abused. Anyone wanting to use a dog for tracking will need a tracking permit.
Guys who don't hunt but love dogs can start small businesses hiring out to help hunters. Everyone's happy and there is way higher recovery rates.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by sns2

I don’t get it. Hunters wanting to limit the opportunities of other hunters, and disallow something that would recover wounded game, and on a leash no less. Sad state of affairs. And no, neither of my dogs are trained to blood track or will they ever be.

Agree, just set up a few ground rules. Leashed, only within a certain time frame from the shot (36hours maybe). After that the birds tell you anyway.

LC

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Dick284

What an entertaining thread.

No it isn’t.

We as hunters are doomed, because we refuse to look beyond our preset notions and biases.

Carry on, you’re doing marvellous.

You get a deer yet?
Tracking dogs required?
Bucks are moving around here now hopefully at your location too.
We are far from doomed just people having a difference of opinion is all as usual.


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[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by tikka250

Ahh the good ol Alberta outdoorsman style thread.
OP. I would like to be able to use a trained dog to effectively and humanely locate a lost or wounded animal.

Outdoorsman. " There is no way that should be allowed!! You will start gunfights and get your face bitten off!!"

My personal opinion is to appease the guys who always think the privilege will be abused. Anyone wanting to use a dog for tracking will need a tracking permit.
Guys who don't hunt but love dogs can start small businesses hiring out to help hunters. Everyone's happy and there is way higher recovery rates.

This I can support. The dog and the handler would need to prove their competence with the task.

[Pathfinder76]

They are using heat signature drones in many states to do the same thing.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

This I can support. The dog and the handler would need to prove their competence with the task.

So we make everyone do a course and test, like the first time hunters course. If its good enough to prove competence for hunting, it's good enough to prove competence with a tracking dog.

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

If it’s a matter of trying to locate a deceased deer leave the gun at home. Taking the dog for a walk is still legal.

The buck I shot on my land last year, I drug it aways (100m) to where I wanted the gut pile to be. After I had it hung I took my two shepards for a walk. I took them to the spot the deer was standing, they tracked the scent to where it dropped and then along the route I drug it to
the gut pile

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by burbotman

The buck I shot on my land last year, I drug it aways (100m) to where I wanted the gut pile to be. After I had it hung I took my two shepards for a walk. I took them to the spot the deer was standing, they tracked the scent to where it dropped and then along the route I drug it to
the gut pile

If legal this would be a very effective recovery tool, issues aside. On private land, as Cowman Bob stated- I can take them for a walk whenever I want

[cowmanbob]

Originally Posted by burbotman

The buck I shot on my land last year, I drug it aways (100m) to where I wanted the gut pile to be. After I had it hung I took my two shepards for a walk. I took them to the spot the deer was standing, they tracked the scent to where it dropped and then along the route I drug it to
the gut pile

According to post#44 you would be illegal.

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

According to post#44 you would be illegal.

Post 44 made me chuckle, so a person cannot walk their dogs on their own property, some people really overthink things. By that logic I guess a person cannot walk their dogs during an open hunting season. I hunt most days in November day on my property and walk the dogs every day.

[hilt134]

It’s done the world over. Doesn’t seem to do the German hunter any harm to have well trained tracking dog available. Pretty sure they aren’t even allowed to hunt without being able to have a dog available to track wounded game. I’d be very happy to see these laws over turned.
As for the dogs have minds of their own and I don’t trust them crowd. That sums up my feeling on most people with trucks and guns. Sadly we can’t see everything banned due to the bad actors.
Also there’s a large perk not being mentioned. Making this legal would really up the amount of well trained tracking dogs and I know plenty of folks that would love to cross it over to search and rescue applications not just game retrieval.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by hilt134

It’s done the world over. Doesn’t seem to do the German hunter any harm to have well trained tracking dog available. Pretty sure they aren’t even allowed to hunt without being able to have a dog available to track wounded game. I’d be very happy to see these laws over turned.
As for the dogs have minds of their own and I don’t trust them crowd. That sums up my feeling on most people with trucks and guns. Sadly we can’t see everything banned due to the bad actors.
Also there’s a large perk not being mentioned. Making this legal would really up the amount of well trained tracking dogs and I know plenty of folks that would love to cross it over to search and rescue applications not just game retrieval.

The public can’t hunt the world over. The problem here is your bringing your dog to my hunt. No thanks.

[cowmanbob]

Originally Posted by burbotman

Post 44 made me chuckle, so a person cannot walk their dogs on their own property, some people really overthink things. By that logic I guess a person cannot walk their dogs during an open hunting season. I hunt most days in November day on my property and walk the dogs every day.

Agreed. My wife holds a hunting license and walks the dog everyday. Sometimes on crown land and occasionally on deeded ground. She’d be very easy to pattern if an officer wanted to lay charges.