What would you do?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Game Hunter

There's a phone number on your win card for a reason. Report people who don't abide by the rules. You said it yourself "your no better then the guy committing the crime If you don't report it"
I've called in, and will continue to call on people abusing the system.

[The moose]

I just figure its a tisk tisk situation. Piles of corn may be one thing, but a old salt block is not attracting deer just making them stop. I just shake my head and carry on for the most part.Only person your really cheating is yourself. Illegally shooting game and doing so outside the law is a much bigger issue in my books.

[JohninAB]

If they were a friend of mine I would give them a warning first. Happened again, RAP works well.

If I came across it while hunting and did not know the person (s), RAP works well.

Been there done that with the second scenerio.

[DAVE]

Originally Posted by super7mag

I would spend my time enjoying and concentrating on my own hunt. Unless they were deliberately trying to interfere or deter my hunt . In other words mind my own buissness .

I don't worry what other guys do. Just worry What I Do. I would bet about 60% of the Deer Outfitters and hunters with private land in this province Bait. Ashmont Big Buck night son shot this buck on home quarter. Funny when we field dressed deer was full of peas. Not a Pea field within 10 miles of here.

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

Some people are assuming I have encountered an hunter or two illegally baiting.. So we all know, I have. And F&W has been made aware of them a while back. They won't even see it coming.

I have worked along side a few F&W officers when I was a trapping instructor and also when I was a county trapper. Our lands and animals mean more to me than a couple of idiots that think they can do things outside the law.

I requested the feedback to make readers remind themselves what is important and bring the topic up just as the season is starting.

Have to ask Red, what exactly constitutes "illeagal baiting"? Since hunting season has not started yet (in most areas), is it illegal to have a pail of grain set out on a trail to help them stop to get good trailcam pictures? Bush and vegetation is very thick at this time of year, so food is plentifull and I doubt a pail of grain or a couple apples are going to influence deer behavior very much.
Not trying to be a smartalec, but where do you look for the regulations and rules on what exactly is "illegal Baiting"? Is there a certain amount of time that you have to remove bait used for trail cams before hunting that area? Is there a certain distance that you must be away from where bait is or used to be? Are some things bait and others not? What about the scents and attractants that you can buy in stores and online? Stuff like that. Thanks.
What about calling or rattling to get animals to come within bow or rifle range? I wonder how many people think that should be illegal?

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by deerguy

Well, I am a grown man so seeing as Nothing bad is going on i'd leave it be.

Be more concerned about the losers stealing or tampering with other guys stuff. Or guys taking more then one deer.

1 tag for 1 deer taken in a open season with one bag of food is pretty minor.

So you would report violations of laws you agree with and would not report violations of laws you think are wrong (like the prohibition against baiting).

Bet you think I'm going to jump all over you. But actually your answer is pretty honest and not far off the way a lot of people act in real life. Do we all report every speeder or pot smoker we know, even if they are friends? No. It's a difficult question. And everyone who unequivocably said "report 'em", would you report your brother? Really?

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

So you would report violations of laws you agree with and would not report violations of laws you think are wrong (like the prohibition against baiting).

Bet you think I'm going to jump all over you. But actually your answer is pretty honest and not far off the way a lot of people act in real life. Do we all report every speeder or pot smoker we know, even if they are friends? No. It's a difficult question. And everyone who unequivocably said "report 'em", would you report your brother? Really?

Very well put Oko. From the sounds of some peoples replies, you'd think they would report thier own parents or children for smoking a joint at a party. I really don't think so.

[Leafy]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

So you would report violations of laws you agree with and would not report violations of laws you think are wrong (like the prohibition against baiting).

Bet you think I'm going to jump all over you. But actually your answer is pretty honest and not far off the way a lot of people act in real life. Do we all report every speeder or pot smoker we know, even if they are friends? No. It's a difficult question. And everyone who unequivocably said "report 'em", would you report your brother? Really?

Perfect Okotokian,

Even worse is those who search for their wounded animals after legal light has expired... These are the worst representation of our sport there is... Poachers

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Leafy

Perfect Okotokian,

Even worse is those who search for their wounded animals after legal light has expired... These are the worst representation of our sport there is... Poachers

Smartazz LOL

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

So you would report violations of laws you agree with and would not report violations of laws you think are wrong (like the prohibition against baiting).

?

Yes. I will do something about things I feel are wrong. I don't feel like someone dumping out a 100lbs of oats for deer to eat is wrong even if he harvests a deer over said oat pile. It's not like he scoops the oats up for next season, the fawns and does eat it up. Yes it is illegal for him to do so, but laws change. No excuse I know, but at the end of the day if the biggest infraction OP's friend does is give deer some food in the fall, there is nothing imho to be angry or rilled up about.

[elkhunter11]

The fact that the laws may change, has no bearing on what the laws are now. As it stands, hunting over bait is illegal, so people that intentionally hunt over bait, are in fact poaching. If they feel that they must illegally hunt over bait in order to be successful, perhaps they should take up a different sport.

[Windago]

How many of us use attractants ie scents isn't that a lure?

[backyard]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

A perplexing scenario to ponder.....

Here in Alberta we have set the standard that baiting for most species while hunting is not allowed. I think bears are the only baited hunt allowed.

So.... What would you do if certain 'hunters', (they might even be AO members), revealed to you that they are using baits under their tree stands while deer hunting? And then bragging about the big deer they have shot.

If you don't say anything you are no better than them. If you do say something you could be putting yourself in danger of retaliation by these baiters.

What would you do?

I don't care to hear comments about Saskatchewan or anywhere else that allows baiting. I want member responses regarding Alberta's present baiting laws.

you said it loud and clear right there your no better then them for not reporting it

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Windago

How many of us use attractants ie scents isn't that a lure?

Are you suggesting that using scent attractants is illegal?

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If they feel that they must illegally hunt over bait in order to be successful, perhaps they should take up a different sport.

Would your opinion change if they were legally hunting over bait?

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Are you suggesting that using scent attractants is illegal?

Some of them are yes

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by deerguy

Would your opinion change if they were legally hunting over bait?

Absolutely.

[BigRackLover]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

A perplexing scenario to ponder.....

Here in Alberta we have set the standard that baiting for most species while hunting is not allowed. I think bears are the only baited hunt allowed.

So.... What would you do if certain 'hunters', (they might even be AO members), revealed to you that they are using baits under their tree stands while deer hunting? And then bragging about the big deer they have shot.

If you don't say anything you are no better than them. If you do say something you could be putting yourself in danger of retaliation by these baiters.

What would you do?

I don't care to hear comments about Saskatchewan or anywhere else that allows baiting. I want member responses regarding Alberta's present baiting laws.

I'd just ignore it, I've got other things to worry about. I'll let the NDP handle it.

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Absolutely.

So if they are using bait legally to increase their chances of success they are fine but if they are using the same bait but in a non legal province to increase their chances they need to change sports even tho the activity is the exact same?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by deerguy

So if they are using bait legally to increase their chances of success they are fine but if they are using the same bait but in a non legal province to increase their chances they need to change sports even tho the activity is the exact same?

Apparently you didn't comprehend my previous post. You apparently missed the word in red.

If they feel that they must illegally hunt over bait in order to be successful, perhaps they should take up a different sport.

So if they can't hunt in a legal manner, then yes, they should choose another sport.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by deerguy

Some of them are yes

Do you hunt over bait?

[Leafy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The fact that the laws may change, has no bearing on what the laws are now. As it stands, hunting over bait is illegal, so people that intentionally hunt over bait, are in fact poaching. If they feel that they must illegally hunt over bait in order to be successful, perhaps they should take up a different sport.

Incorrect actually... Searching after legal light for a wounded animal then in turn makes you a poacher as well..

Food for thought as this is a wildlife offence not a provincial regulation.

[Windago]

after going through the regs. i see that they have removed the word lure and now just say bait so attractants are ok

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Leafy

Incorrect actually... Searching after legal light for a wounded animal then in turn makes you a poacher as well..

Food for thought as this is a wildlife offence not a provincial regulation.

I don't see any mention of searching for a wounded animal after legal light in my post. Do you?

I hate to break it to you, but the Wildlife Act that regulates hunting in Alberta is a provincial act, that stipulates provincial regulations.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/W10.pdf

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by Windago

How many of us use attractants ie scents isn't that a lure?

"bait" is basically defined as food attractants or the like. Sexual attractants, urines that kind of stuff since they dont represent food they are allowed.

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I don't see any mention of searching for a wounded animal after legal light in my post. Do you?

I hate to break it to you, but the Wildlife Act that regulates hunting in Alberta is a provincial act, that stipulates provincial regulations.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/W10.pdf

What are you gonna do when you find the wounded animal?? Finish it off??

Found right in the wildlife act.
“hunt” means, subject to subsection (6), with reference to
a subject animal,
(i) shoot at, harass or worry,
(ii) chase, pursue, follow after or on the trail of, search
for, flush, stalk or lie in wait for,
(iii) capture or wilfully injure or kill,
(iv) attempt to capture, injure or kill, or
(v) assist another person to hunt in a manner specified in
subclause (i), (ii), (iii) or (iv) while that other person
is so hunting;

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Apparently you didn't comprehend my previous post. You apparently missed the word in red.



So if they can't hunt in a legal manner, then yes, they should choose another sport.

i very much comprehended your post, that's why I wanted exact specification. you either agree with baiting or you don't. You can't say throw people in jail for marijuana in Alberta then go to Colorado and get high as a kite because it's legal.

Cody Robbins throws down a pile of red spot in Saskatchewan and arrows a 200" whitetail ,people can't praise for being the greatest guy in the world then have him take two steps over the border, do the exact same thing and call him a poaching SOB.

Have your beliefs and stick to them, whether illegal or legal. Not saying break the law, but you can believe something is right even tho the law says its not

[deerguy]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Do you hunt over bait?

No sir, but I would like to utilize a food plot if it ever becomes legal.

[Leafy]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I don't see any mention of searching for a wounded animal after legal light in my post. Do you?

I hate to break it to you, but the Wildlife Act that regulates hunting in Alberta is a provincial act, that stipulates provincial regulations.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/W10.pdf

I realize the Wildlife Act regulates hunting in Alberta in which I gave you the example of hunting at night, section 28 of the Act. Now, where do you find baiting in the Act ? Or is this found in out provincial big game regulations.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Do you hunt over bait?

Yep a huge field of alfalfa...pot stirred.