2024 Draw Booklet is out!

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

So I'll ask again, how will the extra funds directly benefit our wildlife or wildlife department?

About as much as it’s going to change your life.

[Smoky buck]

Still non residents competing in the same draw pool as residents. Why the heck there is not a major push to sort this out baffles me. Didn’t see any changes to residency requirements either another why is this still going on

Not concerned about cost increases if it is going towards wildlife. Hunting organizations should be asking where the money is going and push for game enhancement to justify the increased costs

Nothing wrong with hunters investing more into the system but steps to improve things are needed to justify it

[Demonical]

Stupid question time:

I've been building Ant.Mule Deer priority for years and pretty sure I'm ready to get the draw if I applied.

How does this lottery Minister's draw affect that?

It's like a crap shoot isn't it?

So trying to win one of those tags doesn't affect my Ant.Mule Deer draw status,eh?

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

So I'll ask again, how will the extra funds directly benefit our wildlife or wildlife department?

Start pushing for improvements to game management and wildlife enhancement to justify the increased costs that is the answer not complaining about increased fees

If the government wants more money push for more money to be put into the resource we are getting charged to enjoy

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Demonical

Stupid question time:

I've been building Ant.Mule Deer priority for years and pretty sure I'm ready to get the draw if I applied.

How does this lottery Minister's draw affect that?

It's like a crap shoot isn't it?

So trying to win one of those tags doesn't affect my Ant.Mule Deer draw status,eh?

No effect on your priority

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

So I'll ask again, how will the extra funds directly benefit our wildlife or wildlife department?

Going into general revenue!
Another question is Minister Todd Lowen who owns Red Willow Outfitters LTD. cutting back outfitter allocations?

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by shawn

It is mandatory after you draw the tag, they send you a email and you must meet with fish and wildlife where they go through proper identification and then you write a test. At least it was in 2013 when I drew the tag

Pretty sure it's been like that right from the start

[wind drift]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

Going into general revenue!
Another question is Minister Todd Lowen who owns Red Willow Outfitters LTD. cutting back outfitter allocations?

The regs booklet has a diagram that shows how the funds are directed. If I recall correctly, most goes to the ACA.

[wind drift]

Originally Posted by bonedogg

agreed 100%, marginal increase

My point is less about the actual dollar value, but how this decision aligns with government platform and the process for coming to an amount. In principle, a 3x increase in a licence fee seems arbitrary and big enough to have some rationale behind it, other than it was too low. What is a fee increase intended to achieve? Might there be a similar move to similarly increase fishing some fishing licence fees?

[Dubious]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If you charge people for every tag they draw, before they can enter any draws again, it would deter POOR people from applying for every tag.

There fixed it for you.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Dubious

There fixed it for you.

Buy a tag and go hunting. I’ve been hunting all spring on a $25 tag. I’m hardly seeing anyone else doing it. But it is work. You will have to get out and walk a bit.

[whitetail Junkie]

The only tag increase that really blows my mind is Non trophy Antelope...$30 to now $90

At that price wait times might be going down

[DiabeticKripple]

I dont see moose draws up north around GP in the booklet, im assuming they are going to a straight general season for rifle too.

[ceedub]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

I dont see moose draws up north around GP in the booklet, im assuming they are going to a straight general season for rifle too.

Looks to me like no change, still split season draws listed in the draw booklet.

Craig

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

I dont see moose draws up north around GP in the booklet, im assuming they are going to a straight general season for rifle too.

Lol, no they aren’t having a general moose season

Keep reading… the split season draws are listed.

LC

[huntin'fool]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

The only tag increase that really blows my mind is Non trophy Antelope...$30 to now $90

At that price wait times might be going down

How about wild turkey jumping to $60. I know...marginal increase, but can those implementing the increase provide some rationale? Like where the excess will end up and how it will be utilized? I don't think it's fair to just say it was too low to start with.

[Thunder Elk Hunter]

Originally Posted by wind drift

So much for making life more affordable for Albertans. I wonder what the compelling reason for the big fee hikes is…

Well they have to pay for the wildlife service some how and now that there is hundreds of folks that no longer need to buy tags, how do they make up the short fall? Raise the price of the tags of course for the average Joe!
Just wait its only going to get worse, the way we know as hunting will be gone in 10 years or less.

[Thunder Elk Hunter]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

That's because you have this strange belief that charging more will reduce YOUR wait times on draws.

The unfortunate reality is that draw wait times will not change, the extra funds will go into General Revenue as always, the state of our fish and wildlife will remain abysmal, and we'll have less money in our pocket.

I agree 100%

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Dubious

There fixed it for you.

Being forced to buy the tags you draw won't deter the people that are serious, and that have looked into what the hunt involves. It will however deter the people that just apply for every tag they can, with no clue, as to what the hunt involves. Those are the people that draw tags, then look into the travel and expense, and hunt conditions, and then don't purchase the tag.

[Pathfinder76]

Again. You have opportunity. Inexpensive opportunity. Are you taking advantage of it?

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by huntin'fool

How about wild turkey jumping to $60. I know...marginal increase, but can those implementing the increase provide some rationale? Like where the excess will end up and how it will be utilized? I don't think it's fair to just say it was too low to start with.

The turkey tag is a perfect illustration of this issue. That tag should be $500. I for one would bow out at that price. I’m not that enthralled by it. I wouldn’t be the only one. You don’t think that will reduce wait times for someone serious about it?

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

The turkey tag is a perfect illustration of this issue. That tag should be $500. I for one would bow out at that price. I’m not that enthralled by it. I wouldn’t be the only one. You don’t think that will reduce wait times for someone serious about it?

If you’re going that far why not make all tags (general or draw) $500. May as well make hunting for the rich and elite. I could just imagine the bitching and whining that would go on if the draws were like the old days where it was a random draw and no priority.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

If you’re going that far why not make all tags (general or draw) $500. May as well make hunting for the rich and elite. I could just imagine the bitching and whining that would go on if the draws were like the old days where it was a random draw and no priority.

See, the sky is now falling. Let’s do a little math shall we. Let’s say that making this tag reduces wait times by half. Optimistic I know, but let’s say that it does. 8X12 is 96. That is 96 months to put a $5 bill in your piggy bank to draw that tag. And you may actually draw the tag. Your kids might actually draw the tag.

Now apply that to antelope, moose (in certain zones), elk (in certain zone), and mule deer the same. For $100 a year you could likely double your trophy hunting opportunity. You could even reduce the price for general tags. Make them $5 if it makes you feel better.

Another happy plus to all this is potentially better trophy quality. For $500 I’m a lot more serious about what I harvest. It might actually fix the horrible job this Province does in managing trophy potential.

Now my question to you. What did you spend on fuel in 2023 scouting and hunting sheep?

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

The turkey tag is a perfect illustration of this issue. That tag should be $500. I for one would bow out at that price. I’m not that enthralled by it. I wouldn’t be the only one. You don’t think that will reduce wait times for someone serious about it?

How myopic to conflate money, seriousness and hunting....

It's easy to obtain results by being prejudicial.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

How myopic to conflate money, seriousness and hunting....

It's easy to obtain results by being prejudicial.

I’m myopic? I’m results driven, not feelings driven. Look at the math example above for tips and tricks to afford such lavishness. Look past today and plan for the future. Myopic indeed.

Google “Stanford Marshmallow Experiment” to help understand lengthened vision.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

I’m myopic? I’m results driven, not feelings driven. Look at the math example above for tips and tricks to afford such lavishness. Look past today and plan for the future. Myopic indeed.

Google “Stanford Marshmallow Experiment” to help understand lengthened vision.

Yes, you are quite shortsighted on this matter.
I guess that may explain why you keep missing the ball.

Sure, you would achieve your desired results,
at the cost to others that don't reflect the image you desire to see.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Yes, you are quite shortsighted on this matter.
I guess that may explain why you keep missing the ball.

Sure, you would achieve your desired results,
at the cost to others that don't reflect the image you desire to see.

Glad to see you admit it would work. All for $5 a month.

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

See, the sky is now falling. Let’s do a little math shall we. Let’s say that making this tag reduces wait times by half. Optimistic I know, but let’s say that it does. 8X12 is 96. That is 96 months to put a $5 bill in your piggy bank to draw that tag. And you may actually draw the tag. Your kids might actually draw the tag.

Now apply that to antelope, moose (in certain zones), elk (in certain zone), and mule deer the same. For $100 a year you could likely double your trophy hunting opportunity. You could even reduce the price for general tags. Make them $5 if it makes you feel better.

Another happy plus to all this is potentially better trophy quality. For $500 I’m a lot more serious about what I harvest. It might actually fix the horrible job this Province does in managing trophy potential.

Now my question to you. What did you spend on fuel in 2023 scouting and hunting sheep?

Sky is not falling at all! Just saying may as well make all tags $500 it would control the horrible job the province is doing at managing trophy potential. This would possibly make people pick one tag to buy or apply for.

Maybe they should make it where you can only apply for 2 draws and get rid of the build priority code. That may cut wait times.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

Sky is not falling at all! Just saying may as well make all tags $500 it would control the horrible job the province is doing at managing trophy potential. This would possibly make people pick one tag to buy or apply for.

Maybe they should make it where you can only apply for 2 draws and get rid of the build priority code. That may cut wait times.

Why would you make all tags $500? Maybe we should price all houses at two million dollars?

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Why would you make all tags $500? Maybe we should price all houses at two million dollars?

May as well make it a straight fee across the board.

Here’s another way of making wait times less. Why doesn’t the government make 2 draws. One is the priority system and one is random draw system. When you go to put your draws in you pick which one you want to put in for. In the priority system there would be no build priority code either. Now people would have a choice, do I feel lucky or do I just keep building priority. Now if there are 100 tags for a zone 50 would go to the priority system and 50 would go to the random draw system.