Ukraine is taking the war to Russian territory

[W921]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Everything I've seen is that the F16 can hold its own aginst all but a couple of the Russian planes, but the major shortfall is on air to air missile range, RU has a big edge, they say. US has a new ( and better...) missile (AIM174B ?) they're deploying to the carriers at the moment, but, F16 hasn't been adapted for it, and something rings a dingie about radar range inadequacy for it on F16. It may be able to be adapted, whether it'll ever be allowed to be deployed by anyone else, is another question, Air Force is studying them still. A story about US donating a sample of their newest missile to the RU via a Vietnamese MIG, that a dud hit and stuck in the plane, pilot flew that home intact, comes to mind. Seems RU didn't have anything much in the way of an air to air at the time, but, did afterward.

I all.

Apparently Ukraine are plannind on using F16's only with guerrilla tactics. Basically hit and run home. Using their ground to air to control or make it risky for Russians to fly over their air space. No air to air unless something goes drastically wrong for them.
If US gives Ukraine their latest and greatest missiles there is a good chance of the technology ending up in Chinese or Russian hands. They can reverse engineer the technology if captured.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by KGB

Just curious to see where did you get this info from?

I'm sure it originated where most of these rumours originate......russian troll farms. There is no need for any of them to have any semblance of truth, it's just that they get enough of them out there and some sucker will repeat it and it will take on a life of it's own. Ukrainians are Nazi's, Ukrainians are Jews taking over the financial world, Zelensky is stealing Ukraines money for himself, Etc., Etc.. Fascists aren't that creative of people, and they're just repeating what they did in the 1930's.

[32-40win]

Originally Posted by W921

Apparently Ukraine are plannind on using F16's only with guerrilla tactics. Basically hit and run home. Using their ground to air to control or make it risky for Russians to fly over their air space. No air to air unless something goes drastically wrong for them.
If US gives Ukraine their latest and greatest missiles there is a good chance of the technology ending up in Chinese or Russian hands. They can reverse engineer the technology if captured.

They probably have it already, there are a whole bunch of unhappy people in the US DOD over this little story, not the first conviction for the folks at Raytheon on this sort of stuff, they've paid almost 2bil in fines over this kind of stuff. https://www.state.gov/u-s-department...x-corporation/

[32-40win]

Here is an ITAR Enforcement Digest published by the US gov't, for various convictions by all sorts of US contractors. A lot is from from simply e-mailing a drawing to a sub-contractor or a subsidiary in another country, some also sent samples. Lot of them mention sending stuff to Canada.
https://www.friedfrank.com/uploads/s...t_June2022.pdf

[W921]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

They probably have it already, there are a whole bunch of unhappy people in the US DOD over this little story, not the first conviction for the folks at Raytheon on this sort of stuff, they've paid almost 2bil in fines over this kind of stuff. https://www.state.gov/u-s-department...x-corporation/

I'm trying to remember but back in the 50s. The Americans let someone and I can't remember who. Wasn't a major war like Korea. But they let someone use their new sidewinder missiles and their plane got shot down and captured. They sent the new back then state of art missile to Russia and then they reversed engineered it and came out with their own version. Shared it with Chinese and then in Vietnam used them against the Americans.
Really risky to use your new technology in these little wars because if a big war happens everybody could have what you have or know how to defeat it.

[chasingtail]

Originally Posted by KGB

Just curious to see where did you get this info from?

10 min of research not google.

NCH Capital owns 450,000 ha alone. Look at the early life of the CEO/founder.
Just one of many. Then you got the Ukrainian Oligarchs who do you think they are? None currently live in Ukraine. Look up how many people fled to Israel when the war started. Only certain Ukrainians were allowed to leave the rest get to be killed off. Ukraine is Israel’s plan B that’s where they were originally from. Soon as you start noticing everyone gets offended. Where do you think all the anti-white, dei, open borders, pornography trans nonsense comes from. The only (((white))) people you can’t speak negatively about.

[W921]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Here is an ITAR Enforcement Digest published by the US gov't, for various convictions by all sorts of US contractors. A lot is from from simply e-mailing a drawing to a sub-contractor or a subsidiary in another country, some also sent samples. Lot of them mention sending stuff to Canada.
https://www.friedfrank.com/uploads/s...t_June2022.pdf

Years ago when I was trucking the same company that sold the police radar runs would sell me 3 band radar detector. Then they sold police Lazer guns and then sold me Lazer detector. Then sold police radar detector, detector. Then sold me a radar,detector, detector, detector haha

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

10 min of research not google.

NCH Capital owns 450,000 ha alone. Look at the early life of the CEO/founder.
Just one of many. Then you got the Ukrainian Oligarchs who do you think they are? None currently live in Ukraine. Look up how many people fled to Israel when the war started. Only certain Ukrainians were allowed to leave the rest get to be killed off. Ukraine is Israel’s plan B that’s where they were originally from. Soon as you start noticing everyone gets offended. Where do you think all the anti-white, dei, open borders, pornography trans nonsense comes from. The only (((white))) people you can’t speak negatively about.

I think you have the number of Jews arriving from Ukraine mixed up with the number of Jews arriving from russia.

[chasingtail]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I think you have the number of Jews arriving from Ukraine mixed up with the number of Jews arriving from russia.

According to the world Jewish congress 45,000 Jews live in Ukraine.
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...communities/UA

According to PBS 45,000 fled to Israel when the war started.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/s...ves-in-another

You are also right about Russia they fled to. They never fight the wars someone else does for them.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by W921

I'm trying to remember but back in the 50s. The Americans let someone and I can't remember who. Wasn't a major war like Korea. But they let someone use their new sidewinder missiles and their plane got shot down and captured. They sent the new back then state of art missile to Russia and then they reversed engineered it and came out with their own version. Shared it with Chinese and then in Vietnam used them against the Americans.
Really risky to use your new technology in these little wars because if a big war happens everybody could have what you have or know how to defeat it.

Russians are notorious for copying western technology, even their A bomb was developed with information from their spies .

[urban rednek]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

70% of Ukrainian land is owned by Jewish organizations in the United States, when Zelenskyy kills off the last Christian Ukrainian our sons and daughters will be sent to protect it.

Originally Posted by chasingtail

10 min of research not google.

NCH Capital owns 450,000 ha alone. Look at the early life of the CEO/founder.
Just one of many. Then you got the Ukrainian Oligarchs who do you think they are? None currently live in Ukraine. Look up how many people fled to Israel when the war started. Only certain Ukrainians were allowed to leave the rest get to be killed off. Ukraine is Israel’s plan B that’s where they were originally from. Soon as you start noticing everyone gets offended. Where do you think all the anti-white, dei, open borders, pornography trans nonsense comes from. The only (((white))) people you can’t speak negatively about.

Overview of NCH Capital from Global AgInvestor site:

https://www.globalaginvesting.com/nch-capital/

NCH Capital, a $3 billion private equity firm based in New York, has been an active investor in Eastern Europe since 1993. Funds managed by NCH began investing in agribusiness in 2006, deploying approximately $1.5 billion into the agricultural sector, primarily in Russia and Ukraine, with smaller portfolios in Romania, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Latvia and Bulgaria.

Today, two companies formed by NCH, Agro Terra in Russia and AgroProsperis in Ukraine, together represent one of the largest agribusiness platforms in the world with nearly 700,000 hectares of land, supplying over 4 million tons of grains, oilseeds, and sugar beets per annum to domestic and global markets through a combination of farming and third-party origination. The two companies are managed independently, each farming land using its own teams as well as operating various other businesses along the agricultural supply chain, creating competitive advantages vs. similar companies in other geographies. Both AgroTerra and AgroProsperis employ thousands of people and generate sustainable, vital growth and value for all stakeholders. These 21st century operations are restoring the Black Sea region to its historical position as a global agricultural superpower.

I would think that such well connected corporations as NCH Capital and others would have used that fleet of Jewish space lasers to deal with this little incursion before it inconvenienced their bottom line in Ukraine. You know, their properties and thousands of productive employees that keep the profits rolling in.
Unless they are looking for the write down on their their taxes?

[32-40win]

There is probably a 80-100km or more wide strip of Ukraine from Kherson to Kharkiv, that'll be pretty much no man's land and not farmable, or even explorable for resources, for more than a few years, with mines and UXO. They're talking multiple decades now to clear that turf. I would hope a company like NCH lost their shorts on that deal, but, they likely didn't.

I see the RU deputy defense minister got arrested yesterday for embezzlement, wonder if he'll take down Shoigu, somehow, I doubt that'll be allowed, probably fall out of a window before long, as he can likely implicate Vlad too.

[32-40win]

Ukes launched something on the order of 140-150 drones yeaterday, hit two powerplants in Moscow area, a gas dist centre, an oil refinery, and a bunch of other stuff. And of course, the Russians shot them all down, but, there were a lot of smoking accidents in the area of Belgorod, Kursk, and Moscow areas..
One powerplant is 160km N of moscow at Tver, think the gas dist ctr is too, the other is 15km out of Moscow, refinery is a big one in Moscow.
https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1830125873195884655

A hacker group is talking of having taken down a Russian power plant by taking out its servers in the control systems, they say they can access a pile of plants with the same systems.
https://x.com/SpoogemanGhost/status/1830029859726500124

Lot of people talking like something happened to Lavrov, no confirmations anywhere yet.

[W921]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

10 min of research not google.

NCH Capital owns 450,000 ha alone. Look at the early life of the CEO/founder.
Just one of many. Then you got the Ukrainian Oligarchs who do you think they are? None currently live in Ukraine. Look up how many people fled to Israel when the war started. Only certain Ukrainians were allowed to leave the rest get to be killed off. Ukraine is Israel’s plan B that’s where they were originally from. Soon as you start noticing everyone gets offended. Where do you think all the anti-white, dei, open borders, pornography trans nonsense comes from. The only (((white))) people you can’t speak negatively about.

In North America we have Chinese buying up not only farm land but the grain handling and processing. I'm not a grain farmer and I'm talking more about America than Canada but I think China is huge player and the claims I've heard is buy being so big can manipulate prices. I think with Chinese it's more about food security.
Soviet agriculture never had much of a reputation. I'm not sure what's happening in Ukraine but outside investors in farmland would not be a surprise. Farming takes deep pockets so investors pumping money into former Soviet farms to possibly make them profitable could make sense. I don't see how these investors would have enough pull to cause a war?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by W921

In North America we have Chinese buying up not only farm land but the grain handling and processing. I'm not a grain farmer and I'm talking more about America than Canada but I think China is huge player and the claims I've heard is buy being so big can manipulate prices. I think with Chinese it's more about food security.
Soviet agriculture never had much of a reputation. I'm not sure what's happening in Ukraine but outside investors in farmland would not be a surprise. Farming takes deep pockets so investors pumping money into former Soviet farms to possibly make them profitable could make sense. I don't see how these investors would have enough pull to cause a war?

You are definitely correct on that front. To see what effect foreign purchasers, with unlimited funds can do to real estate you really have no further to look that the west coast of BC. Does anyone still doubt that it was Chinese money driving up prices? I doubt it. $2-$3 million for a tiny tear down left an entire generation completely without hope of ever owning a home, and those same Chinese speculators have now moved into rural properties. Why fight a war for land when you can purchase it from the suckers, and make money in the process.

[chasingtail]

Originally Posted by W921

In North America we have Chinese buying up not only farm land but the grain handling and processing. I'm not a grain farmer and I'm talking more about America than Canada but I think China is huge player and the claims I've heard is buy being so big can manipulate prices. I think with Chinese it's more about food security.
Soviet agriculture never had much of a reputation. I'm not sure what's happening in Ukraine but outside investors in farmland would not be a surprise. Farming takes deep pockets so investors pumping money into former Soviet farms to possibly make them profitable could make sense. I don't see how these investors would have enough pull to cause a war?

Look where Chinas buying up the land strategically near American military bases. Shouldnt be allowed. I don’t even like the Canadian Pension Plan or American based Conservation groups like Ducks buying our land.

[traderal]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

Look where Chinas buying up the land strategically near American military bases. Shouldnt be allowed. I don’t even like the Canadian Pension Plan or American based Conservation groups like Ducks buying our land.

Ah yes Ducks unlimited and similar groups turning rural land into major fire hazards, accumulation of years of dead grass and jumbled old trees. Not to mention the stupid people that hand the land over to them.

[chasingtail]

RFK’s take on Ukraine.

https://x.com/dc_draino/status/18303...y7N2TH9SHDvH0A

[Map Maker]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

RFK’s take on Ukraine.

https://x.com/dc_draino/status/18303...y7N2TH9SHDvH0A

Wow. Eye opening. If that’s true, we are in serious trouble.

[chad66]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

RFK’s take on Ukraine.

https://x.com/dc_draino/status/18303...y7N2TH9SHDvH0A

RFK loses all credibility when he says that the Russians tried repeatedly to settle on terms that were very very beneficial to Ukraine and us.

What exactly were these very very beneficial terms?

[traderal]

Originally Posted by chad66

RFK loses all credibility when he says that the Russians tried repeatedly to settle on terms that were very very beneficial to Ukraine and us.

What exactly were these very very beneficial terms?

You obviously didn't listen to any of it

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by traderal

Ah yes Ducks unlimited and similar groups turning rural land into major fire hazards, accumulation of years of dead grass and jumbled old trees. Not to mention the stupid people that hand the land over to them.

What you're describing sounds surprisingly like upland habitat, and that's exactly why I send them money. The more farm land they purchase and let revert back to suitable cover the better. Remember back in the day when farmers didn't clear every tiny little corner, ditch and fence row, and ducks unlimited and other organizations weren't so important??

[W921]

Is this Robert Kennedy related to dead President Kennedy? I couldn't play the video or get audio but read what I could from the link. I don't know who to believe anymore. Remember Walter Cronkite? Miss those days.

[Mr Flyguy]

Originally Posted by traderal

You obviously didn't listen to any of it

Exactly that!

[Mr Flyguy]

Originally Posted by chad66

RFK loses all credibility when he says that the Russians tried repeatedly to settle on terms that were very very beneficial to Ukraine and us.

What exactly were these very very beneficial terms?

"Beneficial...to us." Who is "us"? NATO???

[traderal]

Originally Posted by Scott h

What you're describing sounds surprisingly like upland habitat, and that's exactly why I send them money. The more farm land they purchase and let revert back to suitable cover the better. Remember back in the day when farmers didn't clear every tiny little corner, ditch and fence row, and ducks unlimited and other organizations weren't so important??

Typical stupid environmentalist ideas that caused the Jasper fiasco. I don't come to your place in the city and surround you with garbage and all kinds of vermin. You want to live with all kinds of wild animals then start a zoo. Don't need citidiots telling farmers what's good for them.

[32-40win]

People thought napalm was nasty stuff and "banned" it, Ukes are using thermite drones, quite likely even nastier, as it can be targeted even more precisely;

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status...50497452757350

[W921]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

People thought napalm was nasty stuff and "banned" it, Ukes are using thermite drones, quite likely even nastier, as it can be targeted even more precisely;

https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status...50497452757350

Wow
Never heard of this stuff before.
Killing is turning into a video game with remote control technology.
Robots with AI will be next. Awful world

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by traderal

Typical stupid environmentalist ideas that caused the Jasper fiasco. I don't come to your place in the city and surround you with garbage and all kinds of vermin. You want to live with all kinds of wild animals then start a zoo. Don't need citidiots telling farmers what's good for them.

Interesting attitude about not wanting any "wild animals" and "vermin" in and around farms.

[chasingtail]

Originally Posted by W921

Is this Robert Kennedy related to dead President Kennedy? I couldn't play the video or get audio but read what I could from the link. I don't know who to believe anymore. Remember Walter Cronkite? Miss those days.

President JFK nephew, RFKs son. Interesting guy. Traditional Liberal, when they weren’t Globalists. Media hates him because of his views on the Covid vaccine.