Metis Hunters bring down cow moose south of Fort Mac

[The Elkster]

To anyone claiming this and that happened back in the 1800's I say...Times change get used to it. What the heck does it matter. If my dad and his dad seine netted the bow does that mean I should be able to do that today? If my dad could fill a limit of 25 walleye back in 1950 to help feed the family in tough times should that have an impact on what I am allowed to do today. The logic is just BS. I feel I am being discriminated as a white person with all this special interest garbage. IMO the gov't should give all the metis a plaque congratulating these guys for how their relatives lived as they seem to want recognition for that...but then state "you are now living in the 21st century and you will now abide by 21st century rules based on 21st century conditions".

Funny thing is that based on my family history I could probably get my meti status even though I could care less about such a "status" and hated french in school Just goes to show you how abused and manipulated this status thing could get.

Given our bleeding heart court system I suspect these guys will get back their full access to random hunting.

[Morbius131]

Alright the abuse and greed is really starting to make my blood boil. I say this not to offend anyone and for the Metis and native friends I have, they tend to agree with me. These same Métis and native friends are the same contributing members of society that have no problem purchasing tags for the benefit of our wild areas. They know they don’t have to buy tags but by doing so they are helping to conserve our wild areas. To these friends and Métis and native people like them that follow the rules and regulations, I applaud you!

The big thing being missed here is that the Métis agreement not only hurts the balance of wildlife in several areas but also contribute NOTHING to sustaining or bettering the current state of our wild areas. Apparently their attitude is take until there is nothing left to take. That attitude will take you far!

“Madden said he intends to prove that tight restrictions on where Métis can hunt is wrong because they have a cultural history of harvesting animals over wide areas.”

Tight restrictions are WRONG? Really, why would having rules and regulations be wrong? What next are groups going to rise up and complain about the speed limit next because the restrictions are too tight? Obviously these people can safely drive faster than the posted limited?

Aren’t hunting seasons/regulations set up to control and maintain animal populations? Also, this claim of heritage is ridiculous and irrelevant…if you go far enough back everyone’s culture revolved around “harvesting animals over wide areas.” Métis are NO DIFFERENT than white, black or any other Albertan!!! Get over yourselves and if you are going to fight for rights make sure they are EQUAL rights and not SPECIAL RIGHTS!

"Métis have rights in central and southern Alberta," Madden said. "What we are really now challenging is how the government is not fulfilling its obligation to negotiate with the Métis."

They are challenging the negotiation process? Are you kidding me, they don’t want to negotiate…they want to be given whatever they ask for and if they don’t get it, they pout like a 5 year old child who’s parents just said NO! If you don’t like the rules then don’t follow them and get charged and fined like the criminals you are. You were already given special rights to hunt around certain areas. I don’t have that right…so you are already luckier than I am.

“Darcy Whiteside of Alberta Sustainable Resource Development said the government is considering laying formal charges against the hunters.”

Considering…stop considering and do it. These criminals and poachers should be treated like criminals and poachers. I guarantee if I shot a moose without a tag, I would be charged without hesitation. I wonder if I could claim Caucasian rights because I have been hunting this crown land for the last 20 years?

It doesn’t matter what color or race you are…you break the rules you get punished accordingly. Enough codling and babying these violators. You want them to act like they are equal and not above the rest, start treating them as such!

“Métis are of mixed aboriginal and European descent and claim the same constitutional rights as First Nations people to hunt on Crown land year round.”

If they are Aboriginal and European why are they claiming only Aboriginal rights? Why aren’t they claiming European rights…oh wait because European rights are less than Aboriginal rights? So they want to be treated like aboriginals when it suits them and Europeans when it suits them. The best of both worlds doesn’t work here! Everyone should be equal and should be treated as such! Quit abusing the rules and allowing a few of your race to embarrass your culture!

"It is all around wrong. We shouldn't be going to court," Poitras said. "We want to negotiate but we are not going to go back to square one."

If you didn’t want to go to court, why did some of your members KNOWINGLY go out and break the law! To serve a point? Great your point was served…you have no respect for the animals of OUR province. This is obvious by the fact that you willingly and knowingly killed an animal you had no intent of keeping. Great! So by doing so you have willingly and knowingly insulted every law abiding Albertan. And you wonder why this is such a big issue! You blatant disregard for the rules and greed is an outright attack on Alberta’s law abiding outdoorsmen and women.

My apologies for the length!

Morb

[bruceba]

Morbius131
I don't see the abuse or greed happening and no back-up to these allegations were ever brought forward to the MLA committy. Members of this board boast and show pictures of 6 and 8 animals that they harvested in a week-end. Thats OK they have a licence to harvest and it's a management tool for SRD.
I still say they [ insert Gov, ] flare this up in front of you as a smoke screen. Behind the scene APOS is quietly squeezing you out of more area's than you can shake a stick at. Guides are leasing and purchasing more land in prime area's taking control of access. Several members on this site are trying to purchase land in area's they like to hunt in, maybe they see the light maybe not.
If you knew more of the truths you'd know that there isn't a politiction willing to sign off even though they've been advised to. They are waiting so they can say,"We were apposed to signing but the courts made us". It's all about saving face and votes. IMHO

[Jamie]

Bruce..
"Several members on this site are trying to purchase land in area's they like to hunt in, maybe they see the light maybe not."

The land we end up buying will not be posted. How can we expect to hunt others land when we post our own.

The more I think of what the Poacher err Metis nation has pulled off here.. The more I can see some value. Its like they are testing the Alberta Gov and if the Gov bites, this will be tested out in court.I am sure they will continue to test different parts of the province with different animals...But watch for the first animals to all be Cows, Does.

I wonder what happens when the hit the Sheep and goats and Gbears....

Jamie

[Bull Shooter]

wrong topic

[Mad_Mikee]

I really see this whole issue as a matter of pushing the limits. Give them an inch and they take a mile. This happens with everything they do, not just in hunting and fishing. At some point, when we give them an inch, they only get an inch.

I too have close metis friends and hunting partners as well as full status indian who I've been best of friends with since about grade 3 (approx 22 years).

Funny thing is that my friend who has full indian status isnt even a hunter. We used to fish together when we were younger and I've been trying to get him out to the shooting range to blast paper targets with me.

I certainly dont think all indians or metis are out to push their boundaries. Its just a few that give the whole group a bad name.

The sportsman metis and indians I know are all willing to purchase tags like everyone else and like me, they all think this is a huge farce.

[BUD]

Originally Posted by Win94

Métis challenge limits on right to hunt


By MATTHEW HEINDL
Today staff
Tuesday November 06, 2007

Métis from all over Alberta took part in a hunt this weekend to protest Alberta government policies and stand up for what they see as their constitutional right to harvest wild game.
The hunt brought down a cow moose Saturday afternoon near the camp on House River, south on Highway 63.
Local resident and captain of the hunt Don Huppie telephoned Sustainable Resource Development (SRD), who came out and issued a ticket to Métis hunter Larry Fournier, and the moose was confiscated.
"I'm happy with that," said Huppie, who ended the hunt at one moose because "our point was proven." It was always meant to be a legal battle to end up in court.
According to Darsey Whiteside, a spokesman for SRD, the Fish and Wildlife officers asked if the hunters met the conditions for the Powley case, which limits the hunting by Métis to the traditional harvesting areas of their ancestors. He said the charges were laid and not sworn. That means the hunters have 30 days to prove they meet the conditions.

But many at the camp say their traditional areas expand through all of Canada.
"Were standing up for our constitutional rights. Its not about shooting game. It's about a constitutional right," said Wayne Hadley-Roberts, another Métis at the hunt.
There have been four hunts so far throughout Alberta, totalling about eight tickets, to challenge the SRD's policy toward Metis hunting rights. Another is planned for December in the Grande Cache area.
"Most of these men here have been hunting or guiding for three or four decades. That's their life. We're not talking about somebody coming out here Sunday hunting for the day," said Don McCargar, from west of Edmonton.
McCargar received his first legalwarning this weekend -- for hunting without a license -- in 36 years of hunting, raising seven children solely on wild game.
"It was just a traditional way of feeding my family at that time. At that time I was raising a family of seven, and my income was $7 an hour. So we didn't have an abundance of money at the time, so it was really a good economical feature," he said, though admitting that financially times have changed, but Métis rights haven't.
"I could be driving a $40,000 truck and I still want to go hunt."
The Métis Nation of Alberta will provide legal defense for Fournier on the charge, as a part of the MNA action plan to challenge the government, by exercising Métis rights and then defending them in court.

REMEMBER ,it was the white man who agreed to the signing of the treaty , as long as the sky is blue , and the grass is green , and the rivers flow , we shall have our unlimited hunting rights , all signed whike smokin the peace pipe , does white man speak with forked tongue ?

[russ]

I think everyone is getting frustrated. There was a case in Ontario recently where a Metis person was proven to have not met the conditions of the Powley case. So a precedence has already been set.

REMEMBER ,it was the white man who agreed to the signing of the treaty , as long as the sky is blue , and the grass is green , and the rivers flow , we shall have our unlimited hunting rights , all signed whike smokin the peace pipe , does white man speak with forked tongue ?

Treaty Indians are covered by the treaties because they signed the treaties,the Metis did not.

[Kutenay]

This entire affair is simply one among many of the problems caused largely by Trudeau's failed, unworkable policy of "Official Multiculturalism" which has tened to make people in Canada think of themselves in racial-ethnic terms, rather than as just Canadians. So, we have been burdened by all kinds of BS "reparations" for supposed "racist" actions by previous governments as well as outright lies about Canada's history and development.

IF, Canadians would DEMAND that such BS be stopped, it would happen, but, too many of us are brainwashed by the lies about our history that emanate from hardline leftist academics, paid with our tax dollars, and spread by the corporate media; I am not very optimistic about Canada's future as a genuine democracy....very sad.

While we can blame Trudeau for a lot...this can be traced back to the constitution. It's a pretty powerful document and the basis for all our laws in this country. Certainly the way it's is interpreted by our courts is open to some public pressure but you are dreaming if you think that there will ever been changes to the constitution in regards to First Nation rights!

The Metis issue in Alberta is about the interpretation of their constiutional rights and to that end, the Alberta hunters have been lobbying hard for a fair deal for all. This isn't about race at all....it's about what's fair for all and people on both sides are taking advantage of the situation.

[Morbius131]

Get back to the issue boys. You have both said your piece!

Morb

[Bull Shooter]

wrong topic or thread

[Jamie]

Easy now... No misquoting me..
Here is EXACTLY WHAT I SAID
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"The more I think of what the Poacher err Metis nation has pulled off here.. The more I can see some value. Its like they are testing the Alberta Gov and if the Gov bites, this will be tested out in court.I am sure they will continue to test different parts of the province with different animals...But watch for the first animals to all be Cows, Doe's"

I was referring to the fact that it was the METIS NATION of ALBERTA who was organizing these hunts. These were not individuals out to fill a freezer. These guys are out to get charged and take this thing to court... No Racism in that.
Don't drag me into this one..
Get your crap straight

Jamie

[bruceba]

The intentions were to harvest animals to take home. F&W had a different mandate and this harvest was always intended to be done up front. Seems funny that no formal charges were laid yet game was seized.

[Jamie]

Bruce.. Are you stating that you were one of the Illegal hunters?
If so did you call your crime in?
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"Local resident and captain of the hunt Don Huppie telephoned Sustainable Resource Development (SRD), who came out and issued a ticket to Métis hunter Larry Fournier, and the moose was confiscated."

Jamie

[bruceba]

Not an illegal hunter. Yes to Metis harvester.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by bruceba

The intentions were to harvest animals to take home. F&W had a different mandate and this harvest was always intended to be done up front. Seems funny that no formal charges were laid yet game was seized.

WOW!!. How did you change what you said without it showing up as a Edit??
This place is FREAKING ME OUT MAN


Jamie

[Win94]

Not an illegal hunter. Yes to Metis harvester

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[bruceba]

Pretty quick hey Jamie

[Morbius131]

This thread was originally closed as a result of the useless and pointless fighting. I have cleaned up the thread, so lets focus on the issue at hand here. This is a very beneficial thread so lets keep it that way.

Morb

[bullgetter]

Hunting is also my heritage so where are my rights to kill anything at will? The "Metis Nation" as done nothing but create hatred towards themselves and send "their people" back 200 years. I hope they are put in prison for their little stunt!

[packhuntr]

I wouldnt want to sound rash, and have stayed out of this type thing on the internet, i dont like getting chewed on...... But if one were to think rationally and come-on-back to reality, werent settlers of this nation and continent the second nation people. Call it what you want, Metis{french native}, what do you call german natives, scottish natives, or mabey english natives??? I know, what im getting at is that "half breeds" are third nations peoples. If its a big fight over who was here first, and who gets to deplete and destroy it, shouldnt we as the children of settlers being second nations people get a crack at er first, ya know, before any third nation party?? They should get whats left,,,,, no??? God that sounds stupid!!! Just how stupid are these people at any rate?? I cant believe we {people who care, from all nationalities} are fighting this. Its embarasing.......Keep a bloody strain on er.

dont bother attacking, cause i know it sounds stupid, but man, this whole thing is just rediculous. Over and out.

[lordfrosty]

Society has changed and its time for changes to be made in the uninterupted slaughter of our wildlife by natives and metis. I have heard some stories from natives that would make your blood boil about the senseless slaughter of animals. I work with a native and he tells me about the animals he shoots and it makes me sick. Day or night, doesn't matter. Three or four moose at once, no matter. Leaving half of the animal to rot, that's ok, there's lots more, calves, cows, bulls, it doesn't matter. I have mixed feelings about any group having special rights because it only breeds dissention, and animosity and abuse. We are all Canadian and being such we are all equal and should all be granted the same rights. But if you must, then they must be made to follow some kind of rules. Obviously they aren't capable to regulating themselves, and common sense doesn't apply. Its one thing when they do it on their reserve land but when they do it everywhere else then it affects us all. They should be made to tag all their kills and only be allowd one tag at a time, and be able to receive another once the first is used and documented. This way they could monitor the amount being harvested and who is doing it and if there is any abuse. Something needs to be done. Things aren't the same now as when the treaties were made. There weren't quads, snowmobiles, trucks, headlights, high powered rifles, radios and cellphones. Things have changed and the way natives and metis have harvested animals need to change as well.