Tacking Wounded Big Game With A Dog

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by hilt134

It’s done the world over. Doesn’t seem to do the German hunter any harm to have well trained tracking dog available. Pretty sure they aren’t even allowed to hunt without being able to have a dog available to track wounded game. I’d be very happy to see these laws over turned.
As for the dogs have minds of their own and I don’t trust them crowd. That sums up my feeling on most people with trucks and guns. Sadly we can’t see everything banned due to the bad actors.
Also there’s a large perk not being mentioned. Making this legal would really up the amount of well trained tracking dogs and I know plenty of folks that would love to cross it over to search and rescue applications not just game retrieval.

The public can’t hunt the world over. The problem here is your bringing your dog to my hunt. No thanks.

[cowmanbob]

Originally Posted by burbotman

Post 44 made me chuckle, so a person cannot walk their dogs on their own property, some people really overthink things. By that logic I guess a person cannot walk their dogs during an open hunting season. I hunt most days in November day on my property and walk the dogs every day.

Agreed. My wife holds a hunting license and walks the dog everyday. Sometimes on crown land and occasionally on deeded ground. She’d be very easy to pattern if an officer wanted to lay charges.

[creeky]

Originally Posted by hilt134

It’s done the world over. Doesn’t seem to do the German hunter any harm to have well trained tracking dog available. Pretty sure they aren’t even allowed to hunt without being able to have a dog available to track wounded game. I’d be very happy to see these laws over turned.
As for the dogs have minds of their own and I don’t trust them crowd. That sums up my feeling on most people with trucks and guns. Sadly we can’t see everything banned due to the bad actors.
Also there’s a large perk not being mentioned. Making this legal would really up the amount of well trained tracking dogs and I know plenty of folks that would love to cross it over to search and rescue applications not just game retrieval.

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[hilt134]

Originally Posted by burbotman

Post 44 made me chuckle, so a person cannot walk their dogs on their own property, some people really overthink things. By that logic I guess a person cannot walk their dogs during an open hunting season. I hunt most days in November day on my property and walk the dogs every day.

It seems ridiculous but I wouldn’t push my luck if I knew the game warden was watching. I totally want to believe that everyone uses common sense but I’m not betting on it

[rugerfan]

Originally Posted by burbotman

Post 44 made me chuckle, so a person cannot walk their dogs on their own property, some people really overthink things. By that logic I guess a person cannot walk their dogs during an open hunting season. I hunt most days in November day on my property and walk the dogs every day.

Chuckle all you want. Obviously officer discretion is still in play but it could be considered hunting. Straight from the wildlife act.




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[Battle Rat]

There are a lot regulations in the hunting world that don't make sense.
Worse than that is the hunting communities wild imagination of abuse of rules if a change is made for the better.

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

The public can’t hunt the world over. The problem here is your bringing your dog to my hunt. No thanks.

They already can. Unless you’re always 100% on private land. Anyone from dog walkers to upland hunters can be with a dog out in places hunting occurs. I don’t see any problem either way. Not sure why you’d be hunting where someone’s searching for the animal they just shot there.

Your personal issues aside I’m really hoping that the groups that are looking into getting these laws changed are successful and I’m certainly going to help out with doing so if I’m able.

[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by hilt134

They already can. Unless you’re always 100% on private land. Anyone from dog walkers to upland hunters can be with a dog out in places hunting occurs. I don’t see any problem either way. Not sure why you’d be hunting where someone’s searching for the animal they just shot there.

Your personal issues aside I’m really hoping that the groups that are looking into getting these laws changed are successful and I’m certainly going to help out with doing so if I’m able.

I've seen 6 guys, working for an outfitter spread out looking for a hit deer and I had no thought of going in there to hunt either.
2 guys with a dog would be less disruptive and more successful.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Illegal in Alberta currently but it should not be.

LC

No, it is only illegal in wmus that don't start with a 4.


TJ Schwanky deserves a plaque for getting this started.

Its time to expand the law to allow dogs to accompany, but not chase, in ALL wmus.

Hello wonderful minister for outfitters?

[LKILR]

Sounds like a lot of yous can’t shoot straight and like to chase gut shot does with ur dogs.


Good fun

Cm on fellas

Be like Bessiedog

Go hunting

Kill something

Get off your keyboards lol


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[burbotman]

Originally Posted by rugerfan

Chuckle all you want. Obviously officer discretion is still in play but it could be considered hunting. Straight from the wildlife act.




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So me and my wife walking our dogs on our property like we do every single day of the year becomes illegal during hunting.season just because I have both a big game and upland license? in my scenario I do chuckle. Now I get the arguments about abuse but we have to keep things grounded in reality

[FCLightning]

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[3blade]

Originally Posted by tikka250

Ahh the good ol Alberta outdoorsman style thread.
OP. I would like to be able to use a trained dog to effectively and humanely locate a lost or wounded animal.

Outdoorsman. " There is no way that should be allowed!! You will start gunfights and get your face bitten off!!"

My personal opinion is to appease the guys who always think the privilege will be abused. Anyone wanting to use a dog for tracking will need a tracking permit.
Guys who don't hunt but love dogs can start small businesses hiring out to help hunters. Everyone's happy and there is way higher recovery rates.

IS abused

Therein lies the point many are missing. Dog owners are one of the most irresponsible groups of people using the outdoors. It’s not pontification or hyperbole. Dogs are running around doing stupid things as we speak because these emotionally stunted owners just can’t bear to see Fido on a leash. And no matter how you write laws, dogs owners have proven time and again they don’t follow them. Not just a few bad actors. Across the board and even on this thread right here.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 3blade

IS abused

Therein lies the point many are missing. Dog owners are one of the most irresponsible groups of people using the outdoors. It’s not pontification or hyperbole. Dogs are running around doing stupid things as we speak because these emotionally stunted owners just can’t bear to see Fido on a leash. And no matter how you write laws, dogs owners have proven time and again they don’t follow them. Not just a few bad actors. Across the board and even on this thread right here.

You could say the same thing about hunters, given the amount of trespassing, irresponsible handling of firearms, poaching ,etc, yet we support hunting.

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

You could say the same thing about hunters, given the amount of trespassing, irresponsible handling of firearms, poaching ,etc, yet we support hunting.

Well said, Stereotyping an entire group of people is dangerous. The groups against firearms ownership, Hunting, off roading, etc all use this as a primary tool in their agenda arsenals.

[JD848]

You won't have to worry much in the near future about what is worst humans or dogs.

Those illegal migrants that will flee the USA and enter Canada will eat anything out there including pets and shoot anyone in there way so they are not caught .For many dead is better then returning back to there country so it's your life or there's .

I wish there were more dogs then new legal immigrants ,at least are housing prices would be stable ,cost of all goods way better and way more game to hunt and fish to catch .

All farmers on the southern boarder better get a few good dogs as these new criminals entering will make the worst of the worst look like boy scouts.

The amount of drugs sniffed out by dogs takes billions in drugs from the streets. Plus if your elderly a dog is just great in many ways .

I do believe all dogs need tight supervision because there are some mean ones ,but humans by far are the most dangerous animal around .

[heretohunt]

As far as I know, there’s no law saying you can’t recover a dead animal with a dog. I’ve done it many times. Certainly don’t bring a rifle or bow with you in Alberta because there is no need. It’s dead. Also it’s good to have a dog with you to scare away dangerous predators.
Ask yourself really how good is a dog for hunting deer. Mostly will push them to run. I don’t know of a dog capable of choosing the track of a trophy buck that’s for sure.

[heretohunt]

If we really want to get technical, your mom, cousin, brother, dad, son Who is helping you recover a Whitetail and doesn’t have a license is technically hunting illegally. So there’s that. Even someone who has already punched their tag and helps you is guilty of hunting without a license.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

As far as I know, there’s no law saying you can’t recover a dead animal with a dog. I’ve done it many times. Certainly don’t bring a rifle or bow with you in Alberta because there is no need. It’s dead. Also it’s good to have a dog with you to scare away dangerous predators.
Ask yourself really how good is a dog for hunting deer. Mostly will push them to run. I don’t know of a dog capable of choosing the track of a trophy buck that’s for sure.

Once you have found and tagged the animal, the hunt is over, so recovery isn't the issue. Until you find the animal, you are hunting. And until you find it, how can you be certain that it is dead?

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Once you have found and tagged the animal, the hunt is over, so recovery isn't the issue. Until you find the animal, you are hunting. And until you find it, how can you be certain that it is dead?

Ha ha, you make a good point. A question back to you. If you shoot an animal on the last day of the season at last light and choose not to recover it in the dark but instead recover it the next day, are you hunting in a closed season?

To answer your question though. I can quite accurately tell if a shot likely is fatal if I see or hear the animal tip over or if I spot my point of impact.

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by 3blade

IS abused

Therein lies the point many are missing. Dog owners are one of the most irresponsible groups of people using the outdoors. It’s not pontification or hyperbole. Dogs are running around doing stupid things as we speak because these emotionally stunted owners just can’t bear to see Fido on a leash. And no matter how you write laws, dogs owners have proven time and again they don’t follow them. Not just a few bad actors. Across the board and even on this thread right here.

This is exactly how any vegan I’ve met treats hunters. Same logic applied.
Dogs really aren’t all that bad in my opinion. I’ve heard identical arguments about hunters, off roaders, fisherman. Thankfully we still live in a place where one persons risk aversion doesn’t need to rule us all.

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

Ha ha, you make a good point. A question back to you. If you shoot an animal on the last day of the season at last light and choose not to recover it in the dark but instead recover it the next day, are you hunting in a closed season?

To answer your question though. I can quite accurately tell if a shot likely is fatal if I see or hear the animal tip over or if I spot my point of impact.

Depends if the officer believes you not? If you have adequate proof that you don’t shoot it out of season. The amount of interpretation allowed in our hunting laws makes pinning down multiple scenarios almost completely impossible

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

Ha ha, you make a good point. A question back to you. If you shoot an animal on the last day of the season at last light and choose not to recover it in the dark but instead recover it the next day, are you hunting in a closed season?

To answer your question though. I can quite accurately tell if a shot likely is fatal if I see or hear the animal tip over or if I spot my point of impact.

If I see or hear the animal fall dead, I don't need a dog to find it. If I shoot an animal at last light, on the last day , I am definitely going to try and find it , because yes, coming back the next day, would be hunting in a closed season. If I couldn't find it that night, I could call F&W, and explain the situation, and ask if I can search for it the next day. Alternatively, I could go bird hunting in the area the next day, and if I stumbled onto the animal in daylight, I could call F&W, and ask for a found dead permit, to take the carcass. Many officers would have no issues with these approaches, to see that an animal doesn't go to waste, but if they don't, it's too bad for me, I did my best not to waste the animal.

[FCLightning]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If I see or hear the animal fall dead, I don't need a dog to find it. If I shoot an animal at last light, on the last day , I am definitely going to try and find it , because yes, coming back the next day, would be hunting in a closed season. If I couldn't find it that night, I could call F&W, and explain the situation, and ask if I can search for it the next day. Alternatively, I could go bird hunting in the area the next day, and if I stumbled onto the animal in daylight, I could call F&W, and ask for a found dead permit, to take the carcass. Many officers would have no issues with these approaches, to see that an animal doesn't go to waste, but if they don't, it's too bad for me, I did my best not to waste the animal.

Good answer.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by rugerfan

Chuckle all you want. Obviously officer discretion is still in play but it could be considered hunting. Straight from the wildlife act.




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Also straight from the Act.
This is important and very often missed by people giving the regulation section you provided.
BOTH are needed to understand what may or may not be legal.


"(2) A person shall not be regarded as having hunted a subject animal

(a) for the purposes of subsection (1)(o)(ii), if

(i) the person was not carrying a weapon, and

(ii) the purpose of the person’s activity was restricted to watching, photographing, drawing or painting a picture of the animal,"


Nothing illegal in tracking deer scent with dogs if there are no weapons.

Use doggos to Track and find the deer, If you do find the animal dead, don't tag it, yet.
If you find it, take the dogs back home, then go tag the deer.


Better yet, F&W needs to make hunting big game while accompanied by a dog legal in ALL wmus, not just the 400s.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Also straight from the Act.
This is important and very often missed by people giving the regulation section you provided.
BOTH are needed to understand what may or may not be legal.


"(2) A person shall not be regarded as having hunted a subject animal

(a) for the purposes of subsection (1)(o)(ii), if

(i) the person was not carrying a weapon, and

(ii) the purpose of the person’s activity was restricted to watching, photographing, drawing or painting a picture of the animal,"


Nothing illegal in tracking deer scent with dogs if there are no weapons.

Use doggos to Track and find the deer, If you do find the animal dead, don't tag it, yet.
If you find it, take the dogs back home, then go tag the deer.


Better yet, F&W needs to make hunting big game while accompanied by a dog legal in ALL wmus, not just the 400s.

So you are going to argue that you were using the dog to track a wounded animal for the purpose of watching it, drawing,painting or taking pictures of it?
I wouldn't count on an officer or a judge believing that, especially if you have a license to hunt that animal.