305 camping

[LKILR]

Anyone else camped at the corrals beside hyway 520?

I got notice to remove my camper before Friday noon or else. lol

They using sec 76 77 hyway safety act

Saying my camper is an abandoned vehicle next to the hyway .

It’s 200 yards from the road.


Heads up to anyone else camped there!

I’m headed out to retrieve mine now

I was gona camp there this weekend but I guess that’s not happening


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[LKILR]

Oh and I will be going out Friday to watch them try and seize 12 campers lol


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[Stinky Buffalo]

How long has your trailer been out there?

According to the public land rules posted on Alberta Government web site:

The maximum stay length is 14 days for random camping on public land. After 14 days, you must move your camping unit by at least 1 km for 72 hours.

[fatboyz]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

How long has your trailer been out there?

According to the public land rules posted on Alberta Government web site:

That’s occupied stay. If you leave your trailer and go home for the week, after 72 hours unoccupied it is considered abandoned and can be towed. This is part of the abandoned vehicle section of the traffic safety act. The section says abandoned without permission on public land. Doesn’t have to be a highway.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Good catch, Fatboyz!

[roy9525]

Originally Posted by LKILR

Oh and I will be going out Friday to watch them try and seize 12 campers lol


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What a load of crap. I respect f and w but this is bull****. Go after the poachers and trespassers ffs. There is no shortage of of spots to camp that there is a need to move during hunting season. Getting so fed up with lease land battles and now this.

[NCC]

According to the info posted above you should be fine to camp there as the camper will be occupied.

[W921]

Originally Posted by LKILR

Anyone else camped at the corrals beside hyway 520?

I got notice to remove my camper before Friday noon or else. lol

They using sec 76 77 hyway safety act

Saying my camper is an abandoned vehicle next to the hyway .

It’s 200 yards from the road.


Heads up to anyone else camped there!

I’m headed out to retrieve mine now

I was gona camp there this weekend but I guess that’s not happening


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Have to keep elk safe from licensed hunters. Just buy your draws and pay for your license but Don’t actually shoot anything. We have non whites,wolves and outfitters who should be able to handle it.
You should ask fish cops about public road blocked at heath creek end of Waldron or Meadow creek forestry access and part of another public road being blocked.
Lots of forestry access and public roads and road allowances just blocked and taken over. Most don't even know they are there.
What about the lease land closed to hunters because we plan on putting a cow there during hunting season. Yes fish cops are really there to serve you hunters that pay their salaries. They are there to help hunters and to inforce all laws equally. Haha Thank God for them! Heroes Haha.
Just look at the body armor and weapons that fish cops are packing around on them these days. You really think they are on your side?

[spirit4u]

Do you have a Public lands camping pass? Looking at the map you are within that boundary of the porcupine hills. If not, your plate isn't registered. How would they know if you aren't out hunting for the day? No tracks in the snow possibly, but otherwise that's crap.

[LKILR]

Originally Posted by spirit4u

Do you have a Public lands camping pass? Looking at the map you are within that boundary of the porcupine hills. If not, your plate isn't registered. How would they know if you aren't out hunting for the day? No tracks in the snow possibly, but otherwise that's crap.

Yes I have valid camping pass

My plate is registered

But I have not occupied the camper for approx 8 days. (Stupid job)

So maybe I’m in the wrong

They make it so challenging to go hunting anymore that I am considering quitting the sport


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[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by LKILR

They make it so challenging to go hunting anymore that I am considering quitting the sport

Nooooooo!







Don't let them get you down!

[jcrayford]

Originally Posted by W921

Have to keep elk safe from licensed hunters. Just buy your draws and pay for your license but Don’t actually shoot anything. We have non whites,wolves and outfitters who should be able to handle it.
You should ask fish cops about public road blocked at heath creek end of Waldron or Meadow creek forestry access and part of another public road being blocked.
Lots of forestry access and public roads and road allowances just blocked and taken over. Most don't even know they are there.
What about the lease land closed to hunters because we plan on putting a cow there during hunting season. Yes fish cops are really there to serve you hunters that pay their salaries. They are there to help hunters and to inforce all laws equally. Haha Thank God for them! Heroes Haha.
Just look at the body armor and weapons that fish cops are packing around on them these days. You really think they are on your side?

Easy there fellow camper.... I was born and raised in that area and personally know the entire family that lives on that particular road at the end before the forestry boundary. Had access to that entire road for a good many years to go up into the Heath Creek area.

All that changed years ago when idiots vandalized farm equipment on said family's property and continued to cut fences through (what many think is) public property / road, but in fact the road has never been public through said property - it's private land the last time I heard anything about it. If it was public, there would be no way that it could be blocked.

Like everyone else, I was told no access across the private land and I respect that. They can't open it up to anyone, even life long friends and next-to-family people. And I totally get it as to why and agree. Am I bummed about it? No. I think that until idiots own up to it and come forward, then everyone can go blow goats before getting access to that road. I will continue to support said family in their quest to teach the idiots a lesson.

J.

[W921]

Originally Posted by jcrayford

Easy there fellow camper.... I was born and raised in that area and personally know the entire family that lives on that particular road at the end before the forestry boundary. Had access to that entire road for a good many years to go up into the Heath Creek area.

All that changed years ago when idiots vandalized farm equipment on said family's property and continued to cut fences through (what many think is) public property / road, but in fact the road has never been public through said property - it's private land the last time I heard anything about it. If it was public, there would be no way that it could be blocked.

Like everyone else, I was told no access across the private land and I respect that. They can't open it up to anyone, even life long friends and next-to-family people. And I totally get it as to why and agree. Am I bummed about it? No. I think that until idiots own up to it and come forward, then everyone can go blow goats before getting access to that road. I will continue to support said family in their quest to teach the idiots a lesson.

J.

Reputation is a guy from Calgary and like the rest of them that's what they do is post everything. Road is private when he blocks access. Probably public when he wants gravel or snow plowed. He wouldn't even let us trail cows across it from Waldron. Took hours to go around.
So if my house gets vandalized it gives me the right to put a gate across a public road?

Right before you get to his place the Waldron had a house on north side of the road. Lady who worked at fire tower lived there. House and barns full of stuff like saddles and all her personal stuff. Nothing locked and nobody stole nothing. She isn't there anymore and the tore down the house since but I'm wondering how accurate your guys vandalism story is.

Pretty miserable when you can't even trail cows across but that's like all these outsiders when they buy land. Actually it's spreading and most everyone seems to dream of being a hermit and having nothing to do with anyone and that's fine but they need to respect public property and public roads. They don't own everything!

[jcrayford]

Originally Posted by W921

Reputation is a guy from Calgary and like the rest of them that's what they do is post everything. Road is private when he blocks access. Probably public when he wants gravel or snow plowed. He wouldn't even let us trail cows across it from Waldron. Took hours to go around.
So if my house gets vandalized it gives me the right to put a gate across a public road?

Right before you get to his place the Waldron had a house on north side of the road. Lady who worked at fire tower lived there. House and barns full of stuff like saddles and all her personal stuff. Nothing locked and nobody stole nothing. She isn't there anymore and the tore down the house since but I'm wondering how accurate your guys vandalism story is.

Pretty miserable when you can't even trail cows across but that's like all these outsiders when they buy land. Actually it's spreading and most everyone seems to dream of being a hermit and having nothing to do with anyone and that's fine but they need to respect public property and public roads. They don't own everything!

Hmmmm.... Perhaps I'm in the wrong here and I'm thinking of a different spot that you are referring to? I apologize if that is indeed the case, but the location I'm referring to is definitely privately owned and the MD thought they could build a road through the family's yard. The family was okay with it for years until vandalism and some other stuff happened, then they locked it up to prevent more stuff from happening.

W921, are you referring to West Sharples Road or somewhere else?

J.

[W921]

Originally Posted by jcrayford

Hmmmm.... Perhaps I'm in the wrong here and I'm thinking of a different spot that you are referring to? I apologize if that is indeed the case, but the location I'm referring to is definitely privately owned and the MD thought they could build a road through the family's yard. The family was okay with it for years until vandalism and some other stuff happened, then they locked it up to prevent more stuff from happening.

W921, are you referring to West Sharples Road or somewhere else?

J.

I don't know if we are talking the same place or not?
Heath creek Waldron that goes eventually to west Sharples creek road. Waldron ends and then this guy I think has a quarter section or something between Waldron and forestry. You mean to tell me the MD basically built and maintains this guy's private driveway? I know of them doing this on another part of porcupine hills to a family who I like so I won't mention by name. Atleast the other guy doesn't block it off.
But there are public roads on public land that are being blocked. There are forestry access routes that are unimproved but are public and they are on sheriff's computer maps in their trucks. There are also roads that were public and used to have homesteads on them years ago but now blocked off and just look like range land. These would have been wagon roads or road allowance but the sheriff's have them on their maps. I know where these places are because I know the history. I have it on really old paper map but I know the sheriff's know because I used to be friends with one of the sheriff's. This guy was a hunter. Out of curticy he asked ghost pine permission to hunt and they turned him down. He was pretty annoyed to say the least. He was on edge of telling them where to go but didn't because of public relations and possibly his job but he showed me on his maps the public access in that area. Actually in 40s these was oil and gas development via meadow creek road on one of these access points but good luck trying to walk up there now.
Beaver creek on south end. I don't know lately but I had a Friend who some years back planned on accessing forestry from South end via beaver creek. The guy that lived up by where it turns into forestry gated the road first morning of hunting season. My friend called fish cops who said we don't have time for this. I bet if it was the landowner reporting the hunter then they would have had time.
West of Longview there are public roads with stop signs and everything being gated off at hunting season. This is wrong!

[waldedw]

Just to get back to the original subject for a minute, can you imagine the crap show that would happen if people were allowed to park campers and trailers anywhere they wanted on crown land for an indefinite period of time, there would be hundreds of them pulled out there and parked all over the place for the entire summer and through the hunting season, I would think over time many would be vandalized or filled with bums and squatters, the amount of resources needed to deal with the complaints would be staggering, it would be like a giant tent encampment. JMHO for what it's worth.

[W921]

Originally Posted by waldedw

Just to get back to the original subject for a minute, can you imagine the crap show that would happen if people were allowed to park campers and trailers anywhere they wanted on crown land for an indefinite period of time, there would be hundreds of them pulled out there and parked all over the place for the entire summer and through the hunting season, I would think over time many would be vandalized or filled with bums and squatters, the amount of resources needed to deal with the complaints would be staggering, it would be like a giant tent encampment. JMHO for what it's worth.

Original poster is talking about a well known spot that borders private land where elk do hang out and sometimes cross boundary. Think Yellowstone. There has been people camping in this spot for as far back as anyone can remember and no problems that I've heard of. It's a big pullout with corrals, etc.

[waldedw]

Originally Posted by W921

Original poster is talking about a well known spot that borders private land where elk do hang out and sometimes cross boundary. Think Yellowstone. There has been people camping in this spot for as far back as anyone can remember and no problems that I've heard of. It's a big pullout with corrals, etc.

It's still crown / public land, the camping regulations still apply even if they have not been enforced before

[W921]

Originally Posted by waldedw

It's still crown / public land, the camping regulations still apply even if they have not been enforced before

There are also laws about blocking public land/ roads/ lease/ etc so hunters can't access.
Why can they only enforce laws that target the hunter.
In 305 there was a homeless guy living at junction of skyline and highway 22. This was during covid. He was parked behind dairy queen in claresholm for some time before that.
Fish cops didn't care about this guy.

[daveyn]

Originally Posted by W921

Original poster is talking about a well known spot that borders private land where elk do hang out and sometimes cross boundary. Think Yellowstone. There has been people camping in this spot for as far back as anyone can remember and no problems that I've heard of. It's a big pullout with corrals, etc.

It doesn't appear that camping there is the issue, the issue is leaving the camper unattended for more than 72 hours thats the issue. You can't leave the camper unattended for more than 72 hours and you can't camp for more than 14 days in the same spot. Pretty simple.
Just because other people sometimes get away with doing things they shouldn't doesn't mean it okay..