Limits to growth?

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

How do you know what ridiculous rate they have been melting since the ice age or are you only going back 40-50 yrs.

Well I think you know the answer to that. lol

The Athabasca Glacier receded by a large record yearly amount last year. But yeah, let’s not worry about that because it “may” have been that bad shortly after the ice age. Yep, let’s demonize science so we can ignore the countless warnings. I’m sure the glaciologists and other experts involved are in their findings for their money.

Do I think anything can be done? Nope, I don’t. I think there’s a serious water crisis coming to your prov. The anti science attacks starting 40 plus years ago did as designed, to further profit. The future will be the ones that lose in my opinion, but whatever, it’s just my opinion and I’ll be dead, thankfully. Lol

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Well I think you know the answer to that. lol

The Athabasca Glacier receded by a large record yearly amount last year. But yeah, let’s not worry about that because it “may” have been that bad shortly after the ice age. Yep, let’s demonize science so we can ignore the countless warnings. I’m sure the glaciologists and other experts involved are in their findings for their money.

Do I think anything can be done? Nope, I don’t. I think there’s a serious water crisis coming to your prov. The anti science attacks starting 40 plus years ago did as designed, to further profit. The future will be the ones that lose in my opinion, but whatever, it’s just my opinion and I’ll be dead, thankfully. Lol

You do realize that the thinner and smaller the glacier gets the faster it's going to melt, right!!!

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

You do realize that the thinner and smaller the glacier gets the faster it's going to melt, right!!!

Yep.
I also realize this will affect water supply.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Yep.
I also realize this will affect water supply.

The glaciers have been melting for a lot longer than most people realize. When Glacier Bay in Alaska was discovered in 1794, it was just a dent in the shoreline and the glacier was 4000 ft. thick and 100 miles long. By 1879 it had retreated 48 miles up the bay.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

The glaciers have been melting for a lot longer than most people realize. When Glacier Bay in Alaska was discovered in 1794, it was just a dent in the shoreline and the glacier was 4000 ft. thick and 100 miles long. By 1879 it had retreated 48 miles up the bay.

Nobody is saying they haven’t been melting for a long time. I think what is being discussed is limits to growth in our present day situation. I actually believe, what I’ve read, that a million people in Alberta need to look forward regarding municipal water supply, not to mention industry.

I’ve got no dog in the fight, obviously I don’t live there. That doesn’t mean it isn’t an interesting situation to observe.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Nobody is saying they haven’t been melting for a long time. I think what is being discussed is limits to growth in our present day situation. I actually believe, what I’ve read, that a million people in Alberta need to look forward regarding municipal water supply, not to mention industry.

I’ve got no dog in the fight, obviously I don’t live there. That doesn’t mean it isn’t an interesting situation to observe.

Interesting that you’ve “got no dog in the race” & don’t live here, yet still comment. Regardless, there’s nothing stopping YOU, personally, from giving YOUR own money to the global warming zealots. The rest of us don’t support communism.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

Interesting that you’ve “got no dog in the race” & don’t live here, yet still comment. Regardless, there’s nothing stopping YOU, personally, from giving YOUR own money to the global warming zealots. The rest of us don’t support communism.

lol. What are you talking about? Sounds like a comment I may encounter within a Facebook wormhole but that’s just projection, much like your statement regarding, well, I’m not sure what. I didn’t realize I wasnt able to contribute to such discussion. I’ll keep that in mind next time I read some post on here regarding fishing in Saskatchewan from someone who has red plates not green ones. Haha

How dare densa44 bring up a topic that might be of concern to people who would rather be outdoors.

[Bushrat]

Yet there are quite a few Glaciers that are growing, again due to climate change. Anyway what we are beginning to learn in the tiny speck of time of recorded weather and human history is that climate is not a structured regular repetitive count on it occurance like many seem to believe. What we are finding out is that weather is the opposite of that and that it can change radically in a short time or remain in similar patterns for centuries or eons. The only reliable fact is that it will change, we have no idea when or if it will get colder or warmer or drier or wetter. Thats up to the planet, the atmosphere and most importantly the suns behavior. Man may have an effect or not, we really don't know, but in the scheme of things over time man came and man will also go and the earth will carry on with or without us.

Some say science is science and cannot be disputed. Sience has been proven to be wrong just about as often as it is right especially if it is agenda driven based on theories.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...ng-larger.html

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

lol. What are you talking about? Sounds like a comment I may encounter within a Facebook wormhole but that’s just projection, much like your statement regarding, well, I’m not sure what. I didn’t realize I wasnt able to contribute to such discussion. I’ll keep that in mind next time I read some post on here regarding fishing in Saskatchewan from someone who has red plates not green ones. Haha

How dare densa44 bring up a topic that might be of concern to people who would rather be outdoors.

Looks like you do most of your “fishing” on this forum, so it’s not a loss.

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Well I think you know the answer to that. lol

The Athabasca Glacier receded by a large record yearly amount last year. But yeah, let’s not worry about that because it “may” have been that bad shortly after the ice age. Yep, let’s demonize science so we can ignore the countless warnings. I’m sure the glaciologists and other experts involved are in their findings for their money.

Do I think anything can be done? Nope, I don’t. I think there’s a serious water crisis coming to your prov. The anti science attacks starting 40 plus years ago did as designed, to further profit. The future will be the ones that lose in my opinion, but whatever, it’s just my opinion and I’ll be dead, thankfully. Lol

You talk about the Science of climate change so could you please show me the precise numbers that correlate what amount of climate change (Global Warming) is caused by humans because I have looked everywhere and I can not get a concrete answer from anywhere.
If you know where to find these numbers I am really interested in looking at the data that tells me exactly how much we are contributing.
This is not patronizing, I would really like to know and can’t find it anywhere.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

Looks like you do most of your “fishing” on this forum, so it’s not a loss.

Haha. I get it, you’re not allowed to have perspectives different than the good ole boys.

I think you’d be surprised what I’ve caught while fishing over the years (and killed while hunting) so your assumption is ignorant at best. Ignorant means uneducated just in case you thought it meant rude. lol

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by BuckCuller

You talk about the Science of climate change so could you please show me the precise numbers that correlate what amount of climate change (Global Warming) is caused by humans because I have looked everywhere and I can not get a concrete answer from anywhere.
If you know where to find these numbers I am really interested in looking at the data that tells me exactly how much we are contributing.
This is not patronizing, I would really like to know and can’t find it anywhere.

Back it up, where did i ever even use the words climate change? You guys get so quick to jump all over the climate change phrase that you jump all over someone that doesn’t even use it, but simply uses the word science The demonization of science is not an incorrect take, it’s been made such a boogeyman that people won’t even objectively sit back and acknowledge that there are observable and recordable findings in the present situation that are worth considering. In this case it’s the shrinking of where a good amount of Alberta’s water comes from Instead they just scream , climate change agenda, WEF, communism. lol (I’m not saying you’ve done this, you’ve posted respectfully)

When is it okay to start to wonder if there’s a problem? Is it year three of crop failure to drought? Is it year five of buying feed or selling cows? Is it year ten of either of the previously mentioned problems? Or is it never?

Is climate change real? Beats me.
If it is, is it man driven? Beats me.
I know some are damn sure convinced it is and have worked hard to push that narrative also there are others that have worked equally hard to ensure that narrative isn’t accepted.
I’m not afraid to admit I don’t know. I’m not so arrogant that I’m positive either way.

The thread was about limits to growth in the current water situation. In regards to that then I think based on science (not climate change) and math, then the answer is yes.

But hey, feel free to jump all over me and not anyone else who has mentioned the shrinking of the glaciers.

[roper1]

Whew, tough crowd. No doubt about climate change, it's been happening a long time. 70 million year old dinosaurs, one could mebbe figure they missed the mark by 10 or 20 million years forward or back, either way, still awhile ago.

As far as the stubblejumpers chiming in, they get a lot of the water we don't appropriate. Just another perspective, welcome as rain.

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Back it up, where did i ever even use the words climate change? You guys get so quick to jump all over the climate change phrase that you jump all over someone that doesn’t even use it, but simply uses the word science The demonization of science is not an incorrect take, it’s been made such a boogeyman that people won’t even objectively sit back and acknowledge that there are observable and recordable findings in the present situation that are worth considering. In this case it’s the shrinking of where a good amount of Alberta’s water comes from Instead they just scream , climate change agenda, WEF, communism. lol (I’m not saying you’ve done this, you’ve posted respectfully)

When is it okay to start to wonder if there’s a problem? Is it year three of crop failure to drought? Is it year five of buying feed or selling cows? Is it year ten of either of the previously mentioned problems? Or is it never?

Is climate change real? Beats me.
If it is, is it man driven? Beats me.
I know some are damn sure convinced it is and have worked hard to push that narrative also there are others that have worked equally hard to ensure that narrative isn’t accepted.
I’m not afraid to admit I don’t know. I’m not so arrogant that I’m positive either way.

The thread was about limits to growth in the current water situation. In regards to that then I think based on science (not climate change) and math, then the answer is yes.

But hey, feel free to jump all over me and not anyone else who has mentioned the shrinking of the glaciers.

Yeh I suppose I read a little further into that comment that I should have and assumed.
Fair enough.

[densa44]

Climate/weather who knows? What I know for sure is there is no water in the resovoirs in Southern Alberta (I'm a trout fisherman) and that cities and towns are looking for new sources of water. The only source is rain in its many forms. We are not getting near enough rain, not even close. Plus with the growing cities we need more water. So what are the options that we have.

No one has mentioned "rain making" It works by the way, I knew one of the scientists who was employed by the Alberta government on the hail supression project, long since canncelled and he moved to Israel, but it both caused the clouds to "rain out" and thus reduce the size of the hail, and insurance claims. It was pointed out that this would leave less water for the down wind people, and I suppose that this is right.

I would like to know if there is a plan to allocate what water we have. I guess that also means re-allocate what water we have.

Thank you all for adding to this post, it is a very important question and you people know that, and as far as I know this is the only place that it is being discussed. So keep up the good work.

[W921]

In small towns in southern Alberta there are jobs but they are part time jobs that dont pay enough to live on. There are already people living here who have no family doctor and we are running out of water but yet people keep moving here from Calgary, Africa and everywhere you can think of.
The ones in town and young brainwashed ones that believe in paper straws and all that crap are also against water pipelines or damns. They have no plan except for rain barrels and hope for more rain.
Yet town keeps issuing building permits for new houses and condominiums.
If I bring up water to them they just say we can't stop progress and we have had drought years ago .
But we never had this many people years ago and only real industry that has always been here is agriculture and we need water for that and the more unemployable people you bring to this area means less water for the people and industry that is already here.
Another thing is these solar so called farms. I'm starting to think somehow they cause less rain to farms around them??? Is this possible because it seems like rain goes around them. Possible heat difference from all the panels???

[calgarychef]

It doesn’t matter why the glaciers that supply our water are melting.
What matters is how we’re going to manage without water like we have now.
The oil industry needs lots of water, farmers and businesses need it and we gotta drink! Alberta needs to be building some dams.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by W921

In small towns in southern Alberta there are jobs but they are part time jobs that dont pay enough to live on. There are already people living here who have no family doctor and we are running out of water but yet people keep moving here from Calgary, Africa and everywhere you can think of.
The ones in town and young brainwashed ones that believe in paper straws and all that crap are also against water pipelines or damns. They have no plan except for rain barrels and hope for more rain.
Yet town keeps issuing building permits for new houses and condominiums.
If I bring up water to them they just say we can't stop progress and we have had drought years ago .
But we never had this many people years ago and only real industry that has always been here is agriculture and we need water for that and the more unemployable people you bring to this area means less water for the people and industry that is already here.
Another thing is these solar so called farms. I'm starting to think somehow they cause less rain to farms around them??? Is this possible because it seems like rain goes around them. Possible heat difference from all the panels???

I read an online article, from popular mechanics I believe. It discussed how solar in the Sahara increased rainfall in the area. Now I don’t know if that is true, or the opposite is true but I confess the correlation never crossed my mind either way until I stumbled on it.


Disclaimer: I am not advocating either way.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Haha. I get it, you’re not allowed to have perspectives different than the good ole boys.

I think you’d be surprised what I’ve caught while fishing over the years (and killed while hunting) so your assumption is ignorant at best. Ignorant means uneducated just in case you thought it meant rude. lol

Sounds like a comments from someone on the lower wasteland than someone that’s seen drought before (in an El Niño year to boot). Albertans are and always will be a resourceful bunch. Thanks for your concern, but we’ll manage.

Sincerely,
The Ole Boys & Girls of Alberta.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

Sounds like a comments from someone on the lower wasteland than someone that’s seen drought before (in an El Niño year to boot). Albertans are and always will be a resourceful bunch. Thanks for your concern, but we’ll manage.

Sincerely,
The Ole Boys & Girls of Alberta.

I hope you do and I hope the same for all my farming family and friends here in SK. No worries, dugouts on the prairie rangeland (or is it lower wasteland?) near my hometown must not be as dried up or empty as folks are seeing and saying.

I’ve seen some drought before, in the 80’s actually, SW Sask. (lower wasteland?)My dad was sure glad my nurse mom’s salary made the land payments on his newest land at the time.