Alberta Parks Closures

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

Saw this map. Shows what is happening where. The lands aren't being sold, just the contents developed within those park lands.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...bZCHHYgqK0L4F8

It used to be (mid 1900's) that inmates built and maintained the campgrounds. And the campgrounds were free. Inmates split the firewood too. Low risk inmates were put in bush camps to work. The campgrounds didn't cost much. Kenney should restart the program. We would have no shortage of inmates. Inmates could earn their keep too.

I think if the government is farming out the parks they need to have some serious guidelines and screening processes for buyers or leasees. Like mentioned this could have potential to become a bunch of private club site parks for the rich and elite.

I bet there will be a bunch of RV's for sale this spring because of all this.

Funny that some Alberta parks will become the next "lease lands" that most of the population won't be able to access.

[308 man]

have posted this idea number of years ago was flamed, we should have a cost for random camping have to buy a yearly ticket to put on your rv. I would suggest a fee of about $200.00 per year and see how that works out. let the flaming begin.

[BCSteel]

Imagine thinking that the average Canadian paying over 42% of their income to various provincial and federal taxes should have to pay to randomly use undeveloped public lands.

UCP: we need to make cuts because of reckless NDP spending. Also the UCP: we're spending $286M on 500 more RCMP that the vast majority of Albertan's don't want and we've created a brand new crown corporation that will pay out up to $1B/year but only to one specific race.

[dmcbride]

I don’t have a problem with some parks being returned to crown land because lack of use.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...one-centimeter

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by KinAlberta

If he’s talking parks, maybe in Mexico or wherever else people vacation rather than in Alberta.

If he’s talking safe injection sites, yes closing those triggers far higher downstream costs. I believe that’s called: Cutting off the nose to spite the face. That’s probably why there’s no prohibition on tobacco, alcohol, etc.

Not according to this study: https://www.thepostmillennial.com/sa...SudlxjIr0yjbdU

[59whiskers]

Its time to undo some of the things the NDP did.

[Dewey Cox]

We can't have everything.
We need to cut back on fun stuff so we can keep our financial obligations to the indians and the quebecers.
There will be no cut backs there.

[beltburner]

Why is anyone upset about this?
Most of the spots will be leased to private operators and continue operating and others that are changed back to crown land will still be there.
if clubs get involved then some areas will be even better.
You don't need government infrastructure to enjoy fishing etc. You just need a river.
This is an excellent move by Nixon and the fact that he is standing up to all the eco terrorists that have infiltrated alberta is amazing. They are the ones that are trying to take away public access not Nixon.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by beltburner

Why is anyone upset about this?

1. They do not research anything before they put their foot in their mouth;

2. They are not fiscally responsible;

3. They are the noisy minority.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by beltburner

Why is anyone upset about this?
Most of the spots will be leased to private operators and continue operating and others that are changed back to crown land will still be there.
if clubs get involved then some areas will be even better.
You don't need government infrastructure to enjoy fishing etc. You just need a river.
This is an excellent move by Nixon and the fact that he is standing up to all the eco terrorists that have infiltrated alberta is amazing. They are the ones that are trying to take away public access not Nixon.

Essentially when property gets leased from the government to a private individual it becomes essentially that persons private property. Most on here have witnessed that provincial property leased to farmers and ranchers is effectively off limits to Albertans. Once that property is gone, it will never be returned.

[Dewey Cox]

If they lease it out, the money the province gets benefits everyone.
Crown land and camp grounds only benefit people who use them.
I'm not convinced the government is obligated to provide me outdoor recreation space any more than I'm convinced the government is obligated to provide me a safe drug injection site.

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Essentially when property gets leased from the government to a private individual it becomes essentially that persons private property. Most on here have witnessed that provincial property leased to farmers and ranchers is effectively off limits to Albertans. Once that property is gone, it will never be returned.

Is that your understanding of this current issue? That the government is changing parks over to ranches and farm land? It looks much more to me that they are having private operators take over some park services. Maybe I am just not reading the right information?

[Kanonfodder]

It’s sad, but not surprising, to see left-leaning organizations like the Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society (CPAWS), Leadnow and Y2Y continue their practice of making things up and parroting NDP talking points. The Alberta Government is not selling crown land as part of the parks restructuring. That is a false statement. These organizations worked tirelessly with the NDP to try and use parks as a tool to shut Albertans out of their backyard and to prevent them from accessing crown land for recreation.
Yes the Alberta Government is working on partnerships with organizations, including municipalities, First Nations, and non profit organizations, as well as contractors to partner to run underutilized infrastructure in our system in more productive and taxpayer-friendly ways.
Let me reiterate: Albertans will always have access to crown land, regardless of which partnerships are sought or how a location is designated. We reject the idea that it is only government that is able to provide quality services at parks day use and camping areas. This is the primary difference between us and the NDP.
We know we don’t have to designate an area a park in order to ensure good stewardship.
Unlike the NDP, we trust that most Albertans are responsible and have a deep love for our wild places.
We are looking at these changes because we want our parks system to work for the largest number of Albertans possible, but we are also responsible to Alberta taxpayers. Practises like flying in firewood to the backcountry by helicopter and having parks staff drive long distances to change trash cans at locations that saw 22 users last year are simply not sustainable. Albertans are doing more with less – we need to follow their lead.
I hope this has helped clear up some of the misinformation around this important issue.
I want to make it crystal clear: access for Albertans and good stewardship will always be hallmarks of our government, even through tough economic times.
We will work diligently to ensure that current and future generations always have access to the incredible landscapes right in their backyards.

Sincerely,
Jason Nixon,
Minister of Environment & Parks

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by JamesB

Is that your understanding of this current issue? That the government is changing parks over to ranches and farm land? It looks much more to me that they are having private operators take over some park services. Maybe I am just not reading the right information?

He seems to be failing to get a grasp of what is actually happening....he's not alone