No more free speech - Tim's donut shop too

[RustyRick]

"In June, we first alerted our members to an effort by the State Department to ban gun-related internet speech as reported by NRA in the Washington Examiner."

Here in Canada too. I was in our favorite donut/coffee shop a few weeks back and tried to get onto my own website.

The message came up something to the effect "website blocked because of inappropriate material".

Further dialog continues to get the answer "we will review your concern".

[So Nova *!%]

Pay to play coming soon to free WIFI everywhere.
Or worse "Mother" won't let anything dirty get through, mother's going to keep baby cozy and warm.

[sikwhiskey]

Been to a hospital lately? The Lethbridge regional wouldn't let me access gun nutz as there are "weapons" for sale on this site. However This forum worked, I just switched to phone data to view cgn.

[Wild&Free]

You're not paying for the wifi, just like this forum. it's a free service offered under condition. don't like that you can't log onto gun sites at Tim Hortons, don't go to Tim Hortons.

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

You're not paying for the wifi, just like this forum. it's a free service offered under condition. don't like that you can't log onto gun sites at Tim Hortons, don't go to Tim Hortons.

Don`t get "it" eh ??

[Arty]

That's right - don't go to Tim Hort's if they block firearms web sites. But let them know why you won't be back.

Anyway, you can make a better thermos of coffee at home in the morning to take with you on the road. Just pick up some good beans or ground coffee of your favorite type/brand and drip it during breakfast.

And doughnuts are pretty crappy fattening food; you won't miss them. Better to take raw carrots, celery & fresh tomatoes to munch on, from camp or your own fridge.

Every time I walk past Hortons I'm amazed. Trucks and cars lined up in two rows, idling 30 or more at a time, 12 months of the year.

[elkhunter11]

That's right - don't go to Tim Hort's if they block firearms web sites. But let them know why you won't be back.

Exactly! People tend to pay more attention when they think that something is going to cut into their profit.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Free speech issue

Or protecting sensitive members of public to inappropriate material?

Blocking access to various sites is responsible of businesses offering free wifi

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Free speech issue

Or protecting sensitive members of public to inappropriate material?

Blocking access to various sites is responsible of businesses offering free wifi

"Protecting them?" Exactly how is being able to access a firearms site going to harm them? And I have yet to be hijacked to a firearms site, every one that I have seen , I chose to see.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

"Protecting them?" Exactly how is being able to access a firearms site going to harm them? And I have yet to be hijacked to a firearms site, every one that I have seen , I chose to see.

See the Internet is used for more than looking at things like this website and cat videos.

Looking at Cabelas which offers the sale of guns and knives is harmless
But there are websites where the use of those items are used in various inappropriate ways.

So what a company will do is block any reference to these items to mainly block the bad sites from coming through.

Which at the same time blocks things like Cabelas.

Better to block it all and protect the vulnerable public like

I don't know children

Which is more important than you looking up the specs on your new hunting rifle

[2tall]

The interweb is a passing fad.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

Don`t get "it" eh ??

Go to a crowded free WiFi hotspot, login to VPN bounce IP around world, buy gun/sell gun to nefarious individual terror ensues.

get it now?

[whiteout]

Did you even bother to talk to the management?

Chances are they are not even aware and the block is part of the basic programing of their service. I bet if you talked to management and explained your concerns, they'd be more than happy to modify their settings.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Free speech issue

Or protecting sensitive members of public to inappropriate material?

Blocking access to various sites is responsible of businesses offering free wifi

Yet those kids can access it at school. They can go home and watch lots of guns, murder, torture, beheadings, sex of all brands of perversion, racism and every other thing on prime time TV under the watchful eye of mum and dad .

So what was it we were protecting those kids from at Tims??

[bobinthesky]

It's nothing new. I stayed in a hotel in Edmonton 2 or 3 years ago and they had AO blocked!

[Knownonscents]

I understand the frustration of restrictions and what not but the reality is, blocking certain access on free public wifi is probably a good thing. Any form of blockage does lead to an unfortunate generalization but that's the nature of it.

There are quite a few young lads and lasses out there that have phones without data plans given to them by there parents..... Or even I pod touch style devices all of which work off wifi with no data plan. And these little turds go to hang out somewhere where wifi is available for free and they are not under any watchful supervision. Whether it be porn, guns, or other things that our kids don't need to be spending there time searching the Internet for they now have one less access point to do so. I think that is a good thing.

If they want something bad enough they will find a way but we don't need to enable them any more so.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Yet those kids can access it at school. They can go home and watch lots of guns, murder, torture, beheadings, sex of all brands of perversion, racism and every other thing on prime time TV under the watchful eye of mum and dad .



So what was it we were protecting those kids from at Tims??

Neither are a multi billion dollar company tho are they?

As I believe I mentioned in another post.

It's better for a business to block access completely to any reference that would be considered inappropriate and to cover all grounds.

I would assume then that if you walked into a Tim Hortons and the local pervert was watching what ever the hell he wanted on his little screen that you would continue on and order your double double.

The Internet is a vast space.
You might have noticed.
More ways than one to find what one is looking for.

But I digress.

By all means the argument is about being unable to look at guns on a website at Timmies using their wifi because they have access to that type of stuff blocked.

How dare they!!!

My rights have been violated

How dare they offend a small percentage of the populace.

Don't they know that's how things work?

One stupid idiot gets his way and the rest of us suffer.

The nerve of some businesses.

Let's no longer do things based on ideal logic.
But on someone's ill perceived violation of their rights.

Slide me a honey dip will ya

[Purple Farmer]

I think this thread could easily be merged with the first world complaint one!

[stuckincity]

Originally Posted by Purple Farmer

I think this thread could easily be merged with the first world complaint one!

I'm not worried about tim hortons.
I haven't been there since they stopped making real donuts more than 20 years ago.
I don't like eating sawdust mixed with solidified carpenters glue.

[Peterupnorth]

Don't care about Horton's either...they are "dead" to me.
Went into one years ago to get 6 crullers (to go with my McDonald's coffee)
and when I got out in the vehicle discovered 6 pathetic looking crullers.
Went back in to swap. Noticed the front row of crullers on the rack were twice the size.
I asked for the donuts on the front row. They refused to sell them....said they were for show only.
Like I said, since then, Horton's is dead to me.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by Peterupnorth

Don't care about Horton's either...they are "dead" to me.
Went into one years ago to get 6 crullers (to go with my McDonald's coffee)
and when I got out in the vehicle discovered 6 pathetic looking crullers.
Went back in to swap. Noticed the front row of crullers on the rack were twice the size.
I asked for the donuts on the front row. They refused to sell them....said they were for show only.
Like I said, since then, Horton's is dead to me.

Been boycotting them since that oil sands company crap. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Mac Donalds has way better coffee as well.


Grizz

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Yet those kids can access it at school. They can go home and watch lots of guns, murder, torture, beheadings, sex of all brands of perversion, racism and every other thing on prime time TV under the watchful eye of mum and dad .
So what was it we were protecting those kids from at Tims??

Well said!

[score]

I don't go there. Haven't for a long time.

[silverdoctor]

Oh my. First world problems, can't get onto a website through someone else's wireless. If you've ever seen logs of what people do - or try to access - on the internet, you wouldn't be complaining.

Turn your wireless off and use your data. When big telcoms start putting blocks on their internet, then you can start complaining.

Otherwise, learn what VPN is.

[Arty]

Tell us, what do people do on the Internet, SD?

This thread is about AO (and similar) content blocking, at a chain of establishments that is very much consumer discretionary. Specifically, they serve colored hot sugar-water and sugar-dough for lots of money. Nothing that's really essential for human survival. (Some might even argue they contribute to the destructive obesity epidemic and crushing personal debt sweeping the northern hemisphere.) So, it essentially exists for entertainment (and possibly sugar and caffeine addiction) purposes.

Part of their product offering is parking, restrooms, air conditioning, - and wireless that can be used for both practical and entertainment purposes. Specifically to access AO in this case.

AO provides the occasional bit of usable outdoors-related information even though it exists similarly for entertainment purposes too. So usage of wireless at those establishments to access AO is totally consistent with the existence of wireless there. There's no justification to block it out, or any other responsible firearms-related sites.

If they start doing that, it's our social responsibility to point out the error of their ways, how AO is different from some low-grade commercial or anarchist sites, and what they can do to 'unblock' the better sites. Same as getting C-68 canned. If that's too much trouble for them, then we're gone. No loss, they're not a grocery store or a gas pump or a hospital needed to support society.

As for VPN, that's fine. Probably best to just use https://www.torproject.org/ ,I suppose.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Arty

Tell us, what do people do on the Internet, SD?

This thread is about AO (and similar) content blocking, at a chain of establishments that is very much consumer discretionary. Specifically, they serve colored hot sugar-water and sugar-dough for lots of money. Nothing that's really essential for human survival. (Some might even argue they contribute to the destructive obesity epidemic and crushing personal debt sweeping the northern hemisphere.) So, it essentially exists for entertainment (and possibly sugar and caffeine addiction) purposes.

Part of their product offering is parking, restrooms, air conditioning, - and wireless that can be used for both practical and entertainment purposes. Specifically to access AO in this case.

AO provides the occasional bit of usable outdoors-related information even though it exists similarly for entertainment purposes too. So usage of wireless at those establishments to access AO is totally consistent with the existence of wireless there. There's no justification to block it out, or any other responsible firearms-related sites.

If they start doing that, it's our social responsibility to point out the error of their ways, how AO is different from some low-grade commercial or anarchist sites, and what they can do to 'unblock' the better sites. Same as getting C-68 canned. If that's too much trouble for them, then we're gone. No loss, they're not a grocery store or a gas pump or a hospital needed to support society.

As for VPN, that's fine. Probably best to just use https://www.torproject.org/ ,I suppose.

Use your imagination Arty... If you can or can't think it, people surf it. I've lost faith in people to do the right thing.

It's their wireless, it's easier to block sites than it is to allow it, most techs err on the side of caution. They don't care about AO.

I don't generally connect to wireless networks, if i'm in a situation that I have to, i'll VPN to my home network. Won't use the so called public VPN's.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by RustyRick

"In June, we first alerted our members to an effort by the State Department to ban gun-related internet speech as reported by NRA in the Washington Examiner."

Here in Canada too. I was in our favorite donut/coffee shop a few weeks back and tried to get onto my own website.

The message came up something to the effect "website blocked because of inappropriate material".

Further dialog continues to get the answer "we will review your concern".

I think you may be over-reacting. Lots places use software to limit access to inappropriate sites. But the software doesn't always work perfectly. Our company blocks gambling sites. But also blocked is the Alberta Alcohol and Drug Abuse Commission (AADAC) because AADAC also treats gambling addiction, and probably has a lot of references to gambling on their site. Trust me, I can assure you that no one looked at your site and decided to block it.

[silverdoctor]

Think about it for a moment. You offer up wireless free for your neighbors, one of them starts surfing illegal stuff. Who's door do you think the police are going to knock on and accuse? Yours because your name is on the internet connection and you accepted a terms of use that you probably didn't read.

It's not worth it to offer up free access, one person can ruin it for many and that's the Canadian way right? Ban it all for the sake of a few...

[elkdump]

Cops now have to lock their sidearms/service pistols in the trunk of their police cruiser when having a coffee at Timi's ?

[ETOWNCANUCK]

You know what's worse than the wifi situation?

That many Timmies still only have the less than one ply squares of cheap toilet paper in their washrooms.

I mean c'mon