Tacking Wounded Big Game With A Dog

[elkhunter11]

Yesterday I received a phone call from a local hunter that asked if I would bring my dog to help him track a mule deer that he wounded on his land. I had to inform him that I would help if it was legal, but unfortunately, it wasn't legal in Alberta. He went so far as to call F&W, who confirmed that it wouldn't be legal. I can understand why F&W wouldn't want dogs chasing deer, but it really doesn't make sense to not allow a hunter to use a leashed dog to track a wounded animal. Talking to members of our local NAVHDA chapter, if the law was changed, there are members who would be interested in training their dogs to bloodtrail, so they could assist big game hunters to recover big game.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Easy to say, but people will abuse it, they can't even keep their mutts on a leash when required and contrary to popular opinion , most of the millions of dogs out there are not well trained.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Easy to say, but people will abuse it, they can't even keep their mutts on a leash when required and contrary to popular opinion , most of the millions of dogs out there are not well trained.

You mean the owners are not well trained.


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[cowmanbob]

If it’s a matter of trying to locate a deceased deer leave the gun at home. Taking the dog for a walk is still legal.

[kingrat]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

If it’s a matter of trying to locate a deceased deer leave the gun at home. Taking the dog for a walk is still legal.

Was just gonna say that. I get it though.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

If it’s a matter of trying to locate a deceased deer leave the gun at home. Taking the dog for a walk is still legal.

Well if the CO watches from a distance as they often due, bino's, spotting scope are their number one tools of the trade....you locate the deer with the dog then what? Tag it and start the field dressing process and the CO walks up...now the decision how to write this up is on him, warning, fines, suspensions....even if you walk on by and come back later still might have a few questions to answer...don't get me wrong I think a dog on a leash should be totally acceptable and at no time is this tracking dog allowed off the leash but we aint there so I wouldn't even push the limit of the law regarding dogs to track big game and if so be prepared to accept full responsibility if caught.

[58thecat]

https://www.unitedbloodtrackers.org/...ations/canada/

interesting read

[cowmanbob]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Well if the CO watches from a distance as they often due, bino's, spotting scope are their number one tools of the trade....you locate the deer with the dog then what? Tag it and start the field dressing process and the CO walks up...now the decision how to write this up is on him, warning, fines, suspensions....even if you walk on by and come back later still might have a few questions to answer...don't get me wrong I think a dog on a leash should be totally acceptable and at no time is this tracking dog allowed off the leash but we aint there so I wouldn't even push the limit of the law regarding dogs to track big game and if so be prepared to accept full responsibility if caught.

I guess the hunter in question could also go and shoot another deer.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

I guess the hunter in question could also go and shoot another deer.

Therein lies the rub. Which is a better result?
Cat

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

If it’s a matter of trying to locate a deceased deer leave the gun at home. Taking the dog for a walk is still legal.

The buck I shot on my land last year, I drug it aways (100m) to where I wanted the gut pile to be. After I had it hung I took my two shepards for a walk. I took them to the spot the deer was standing, they tracked the scent to where it dropped and then along the route I drug it to
the gut pile

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by burbotman

The buck I shot on my land last year, I drug it aways (100m) to where I wanted the gut pile to be. After I had it hung I took my two shepards for a walk. I took them to the spot the deer was standing, they tracked the scent to where it dropped and then along the route I drug it to
the gut pile

If legal this would be a very effective recovery tool, issues aside. On private land, as Cowman Bob stated- I can take them for a walk whenever I want

[cowmanbob]

Originally Posted by burbotman

The buck I shot on my land last year, I drug it aways (100m) to where I wanted the gut pile to be. After I had it hung I took my two shepards for a walk. I took them to the spot the deer was standing, they tracked the scent to where it dropped and then along the route I drug it to
the gut pile

According to post#44 you would be illegal.

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

According to post#44 you would be illegal.

Post 44 made me chuckle, so a person cannot walk their dogs on their own property, some people really overthink things. By that logic I guess a person cannot walk their dogs during an open hunting season. I hunt most days in November day on my property and walk the dogs every day.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Easy to say, but people will abuse it, they can't even keep their mutts on a leash when required and contrary to popular opinion , most of the millions of dogs out there are not well trained.

I have heard this argument for ever, yet there doesn't seem to be the issue in Provinces or States where it is legal to use a dog for tracking , same as using a .22 center fire.
These rues are based on emotion not facts.
Cat

[3blade]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I have heard this argument for ever, yet there doesn't seem to be the issue in Provinces or States where it is legal to use a dog for tracking , same as using a .22 center fire.
These rues are based on emotion not facts.
Cat

Yep. Weeks of antibiotics, permanent tendon damage, scars, having my 1 & 3 year old daughters attacked in their own yard. Definitely emotion. And absolutely no sense of know it all from the resident know it all

My “emotion” will pull that trigger faster than you can squeak out “sorry he’s never done blah blah blah”

Dog guys and horse girls, the mental giants of our outdoor community.

[cowmanbob]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Yep. Weeks of antibiotics, permanent tendon damage, scars, having my 1 & 3 year old daughters attacked in their own yard. Definitely emotion. And absolutely no sense of know it all from the resident know it all

My “emotion” will pull that trigger faster than you can squeak out “sorry he’s never done blah blah blah”

Dog guys and horse girls, the mental giants of our outdoor community.

So you had a bird hunters pointer come into your yard and inflict damage on your daughters?

[Smoky buck]

It should be completely legal to have a leashed dog for recovery. It’s a much better option than lost animals and guys continuing to hunt another animal. The argument people would abuse it is ridiculous as those are those kinds of people are just taking questionable shots now loosing animals and continuing to hunt anyway

Lots of other states and provinces allow it without issue

[3blade]

Originally Posted by cowmanbob

So you had a bird hunters pointer come into your yard and inflict damage on your daughters?

The damage was to me, and I was speaking about 6 attacks over the years. I feel it every morning. Had the one connected with my kids this year I wouldn’t be talking about it.

Every one of those dog owners was responsible until they weren’t.

[densa44]

I agree with Cat and Elk, and 3blade makes excellent points. I have always thought that it was very sad that wounded deer were not recovered when my dog (elk's too) could have easily found the downed animal. The dogs attacking children is terrible, and can't be condoned under any circumstance.

The comments on dog owners are sadly well founded.

I'd still like it if a safe way could be found to let guys like Elk and his dog find someone's shot deer.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Yep. Weeks of antibiotics, permanent tendon damage, scars, having my 1 & 3 year old daughters attacked in their own yard. Definitely emotion. And absolutely no sense of know it all from the resident know it all

My “emotion” will pull that trigger faster than you can squeak out “sorry he’s never done blah blah blah”

Dog guys and horse girls, the mental giants of our outdoor community.

People and their dogs. Everyone has the best dog in the world. I have no use for them. I’ve seen far too much nonsense with dogs.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Yep. Weeks of antibiotics, permanent tendon damage, scars, having my 1 & 3 year old daughters attacked in their own yard. Definitely emotion. And absolutely no sense of know it all from the resident know it all

My “emotion” will pull that trigger faster than you can squeak out “sorry he’s never done blah blah blah”

Dog guys and horse girls, the mental giants of our outdoor community.

I get it, you hate all dogs, hunters who use dogs, and horse girls to boot.
Great.
I would put a bullet in any dog attacking a kid , my own included, but that doe not have anything to do with the fact that dogs are used effectively and safely World Wide for tracking and hunting .
Cat

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I have heard this argument for ever, yet there doesn't seem to be the issue in Provinces or States where it is legal to use a dog for tracking , same as using a .22 center fire.
These rues are based on emotion not facts.
Cat

Agree, what are other provinces doing to allow this to safely be done then implement it in ours.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Agree, what are other provinces doing to allow this to safely be done then implement it in ours.

The people that I know that use blood trailing dogs for wounded game keep their dogs leashed.
I'm not sure how the legalities work in all jurisdictions.
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Easy to say, but people will abuse it, they can't even keep their mutts on a leash when required and contrary to popular opinion , most of the millions of dogs out there are not well trained.

And yet we are allowed to have our dogs running unleashed as we hunt birds with them, and there doesn't seem to be an issue with them chasing big game. Why would the same dogs be a problem , when tracking wounded big game, while on a leash?

[3blade]

Because every deer would be “wounded” by certain guys with dogs especially the black dually types, leash laws aren’t respected by dog owners or enforced by LEOs as is, no one wants anyone else’s dog on their land, and it’s LEGAL to shoot a dog harassing game or livestock (that will not change) so an armed conflict would inevitably arise.

And honestly elk, while you may be capable of respect, respect is largely absent in dog owners as a group.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Because every deer would be “wounded” by certain guys with dogs especially the black dually types, leash laws aren’t respected by dog owners or enforced by LEOs as is, no one wants anyone else’s dog on their land, and it’s LEGAL to shoot a dog harassing game or livestock (that will not change) so an armed conflict would inevitably arise.

And honestly elk, while you may be capable of respect, respect is largely absent in dog owners as a group.

And yet we currently hunt our dogs for birds on land where big game is present, and there doesn't seem to be an issue. with the dogs chasing big game, or trespassing onto adjoining land. And many of those dogs are not trained, and they aren't leashed. And a person that doesn't obey the regulations will be out running their dogs on big game , whether it's legal or not, so hunters not obeying a leash law isn't much of an argument.

[LKILR]

Sounds like a lot of yous can’t shoot straight and like to chase gut shot does with ur dogs.


Good fun

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