Military Resources to Ukraine exceeds aid to Canada's own Military

[Cross Eyed Cowboy]

We have a country that has given Ukraine more military resources in a year than it’s given the Canadian forces in the last decade.

https://nationalpost.com/news/analys...arctic-threats

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Cross Eyed Cowboy

We have a country that has given Ukraine more military resources in a year than it’s given the Canadian forces in the last decade.

https://nationalpost.com/news/analys...arctic-threats

Canada's defense budget is 26.5 Billion (per year).

Are you suggesting that we gave Ukraine 265 billion???? (you said decade right?)

You are incorrect.

Canada has committed roughly 1 billion in aid - not 265 billion as your post implies and ignorantly grossly exaggerates.

As a Canadian, I am happy to pay my share in taxes for this specific aid package and have no issues with it whatsoever. God know we waste taxpayer dollars in so many more ridiculous programs. At least this one makes sense to me.

[elkhunter11]

I shoot with a warrant officer based out of Edmonton, and he was happy to hear that the military budget had been increased, but disappointed, to learn that all of the increase and more went to the Ukraine, and to diversity programs. He tells me that they have less and less equipment available, because of a lack of funds to repair broken down equipment.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I shoot with a warrant officer based out of Edmonton, and he was happy to hear that the military budget had been increased, but disappointed, to learn that all of the increase and more went to the Ukraine, and to diversity programs. He tells me that they have less and less equipment available, because of a lack of funds to repair broken down equipment.

If he is a warrant officer
Then he has a little time in so he understands how to make due.

As for this Putin fella it is our fight indirectly without crossing certain lines.

All countries contributing are in it just no boots on the ground.

Got to send a message to this Putin jerk somehow.


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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

If he is a warrant officer
Then he has a little time in so he understands how to make due.

As for this Putin fella it is our fight indirectly without crossing certain lines.

All countries contributing are in it just no boots on the ground.

Got to send a message to this Putin jerk somehow.


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Make due amounts to parking equipment, until there is money to buy parts, meanwhile there is money to send to the Ukraine, and for diversity programs.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Make due amounts to parking equipment, until there is money to buy parts, meanwhile there is money to send to the Ukraine, and for diversity programs.

Agree, far from perfect but man what an adventure.
Reminds me of ice fishing now....the highs are high and the lows are low.

We all would be singing a different story if say the yanks wanted to take us, you go to bed one day planning for the next and yup villages, towns, cities simply destroyed. Where you once worked, kids played no longer there....simply brutal.

[raab]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

If he is a warrant officer
Then he has a little time in so he understands how to make due.

As for this Putin fella it is our fight indirectly without crossing certain lines.

All countries contributing are in it just no boots on the ground.

Got to send a message to this Putin jerk somehow.


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I am amazed how many people do not realize we are in this war whether we like it or not. And if we lose this war, your children may not know the freedom all Canadians once had.

[big_plinker]

Originally Posted by raab

I am amazed how many people do not realize we are in this war whether we like it or not. And if we lose this war, your children may not know the freedom all Canadians once had.

That war is long lost buddy.
Our children will never know the freedoms Canadians once had.
I'm pretty sure most Canadians don't remember the freedom Canadians once had.
And it's not communism you should be blaming.
It's edge stage capitalism, and the death of the middle class.
Enjoy the show.

[ak77]

Originally Posted by raab

I am amazed how many people do not realize we are in this war whether we like it or not. And if we lose this war, your children may not know the freedom all Canadians once had.

Oooo, cold war time style propaganda starts to rear it's head... How long before russians living in usa/Canada start getting locked in internment camps?
We all know that "fight for freedom" (aka "we need your oil") was behind every war in the middle East since ever...
You know what's going to be oil of 21 century? Food. Ukraine accounts for about 1/2 of arable land of the EU. Since late 90s - early 2000s up until 2016 about 10% of Ukraine land belonged to multinational agro corporations, with some reports suggesting that now almost 70% off Ukrainian land doesn't belong to Ukraine... that the push goes by those corporations to increase productivity by using GMO... to change the type of crops to "high yield high protein soyabean crops"... that in order to increase/maximize profits the land currently owned by private small scale owners (farmers) is getting consolidated...(i.e. small guys getting squeezed out of the ownership)...

I'm not saying Russia has rights to do what they do, whether the reason is to save ethnic Russians from Ukrainian fascists, or to expand/solidify it's sphere of influence over probably the most valued resource there's is.
But don't tell me that West is fighting the war for anyone's freedom. There are dollar signs everywhere you turn. Nobody who has any say in decision to support Ukraine in any way gives zero fuсks about anyone's freedom.

[Cross Eyed Cowboy]

Originally Posted by EZM

Are you suggesting that we gave Ukraine 265 billion???? (you said decade right?)

Actually I'm not suggesting anything...though the author of story may certainly be doing so!!

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Cross Eyed Cowboy

Actually I'm not suggesting anything...though the author of story may certainly be doing so!!

You wrote the title of this thread and added your comments yourself - and submitted it - which is a grossly inaccurate fabrication and utter nonsense.

Even the article you attached said absolutely nothing near to what you posted.

so, when I read your thread, my BS meter alarm went off, so I fact checked you and I corrected you and provided FACTS.

If we want to debate stuff, let's use facts as a basis. If you are still unhappy about what we sent them, then fine, that's cool ..... let's discuss it. But let's not make a grain of sand into a mountain.

[Blazer 1]

Originally Posted by EZM

Canada's defense budget is 26.5 Billion (per year).

Are you suggesting that we gave Ukraine 265 billion???? (you said decade right?)

You are incorrect.

Canada has committed roughly 1 billion in aid - not 265 billion as your post implies and ignorantly grossly exaggerates.

As a Canadian, I am happy to pay my share in taxes for this specific aid package and have no issues with it whatsoever. God know we waste taxpayer dollars in so many more ridiculous programs. At least this one makes sense to me.

I agree completely. I can get behind helping Ukraine out... a million dollar "study" to see if its feasible to put a bicycle path between jasper and lake louise... or the million dollar "study" to start a caribou breading program in the mountain parks... that really ****es me off.

[huntsfurfish]

I hope we give Ukraine a lot more aid in whatever form they need.

[Cement Bench]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

I hope we give Ukraine a lot more aid in whatever form they need.

I hope we do not

[Buckhead]

Originally Posted by Cement Bench

I hope we do not

I would tend to agree. I think that the best we can hope for is a stalemate between Ukraine and Russia and a treaty negotiation on that basis. A clear winner on either side and we are in for a lot more trouble I suspect.

If the Ukraine annihilates the Russian ground forces with NATOs assistance there is a better than average chance Russia is going to send some Nukes.

Just my take on the situation.

[barbless]

If Canada had to defend its own country on it's own, Pretty sure we would be F'D (you know the rest). Send most all money and equipment elsewhere instead of keeping our own military up to date and with personnel numbers. I agree with the help in the Ukraine but we need our own base. Might be a good thing they didn't send some of our helicopters over there. Especially with main rotor blade failure. Sorry guys. We need to ramp up our military. They create training for jobs and for the most part well disciplined young people. Guberment don't want to spend the money on that frivolous stuff.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by barbless

If Canada had to defend its own country on it's own, Pretty sure we would be F'D (you know the rest). Send most all money and equipment elsewhere instead of keeping our own military up to date and with personnel numbers. I agree with the help in the Ukraine but we need our own base. Might be a good thing they didn't send some of our helicopters over there. Especially with main rotor blade failure. Sorry guys. We need to ramp up our military. They create training for jobs and for the most part well disciplined young people. Guberment don't want to spend the money on that frivolous stuff.

According to my friend in the Canadian Armed Forces , they actually came close to cancelling much of their training, because of a shortage of supplies/money, because of so much being diverted to the Ukraine.

[kingrat]

I think we should stay out of it as far as giving them anything military wise or money. So should the states.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by EZM

Canada's defense budget is 26.5 Billion (per year).

Are you suggesting that we gave Ukraine 265 billion???? (you said decade right?)

You are incorrect.

Canada has committed roughly 1 billion in aid - not 265 billion as your post implies and ignorantly grossly exaggerates.

As a Canadian, I am happy to pay my share in taxes for this specific aid package and have no issues with it whatsoever. God know we waste taxpayer dollars in so many more ridiculous programs. At least this one makes sense to me.

Thanks for the sharing of truth as well as good perspective.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by EZM

Canada's defense budget is 26.5 Billion (per year).

Are you suggesting that we gave Ukraine 265 billion???? (you said decade right?)

You are incorrect.

Canada has committed roughly 1 billion in aid - not 265 billion as your post implies and ignorantly grossly exaggerates.

As a Canadian, I am happy to pay my share in taxes for this specific aid package and have no issues with it whatsoever. God know we waste taxpayer dollars in so many more ridiculous programs. At least this one makes sense to me.

Agreed

I saw no where in the article this fictitious number OP stated.

In fact the more money the democratic free world spends to support stopping a dictator bent on building an empire via war… the Better off Canada is.

The more money and resources Russia loses the better.

If Canada was attacked… I would hope Ukraine would come to our aid also.

Standing up to bullies is the right thing to do.

Putin can stop his megalomaniac inspired war any time he wants. Until then the valiant and courageous people of Ukraine will make him pay and they will win.

[Au revoir, Gopher]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Agreed

I saw no where in the article this fictitious number OP stated.

Look again...

“You heard what General Eyre (Chief of Defence Staff) said,” Harries responds. “When asked … are the Canadian forces ready for what’s happening, he said ‘No, I lose sleep at night about them not being ready.’” We have a country that has given Ukraine more military resources in a year than it’s given the Canadian forces in the last decade.

I guess it depends on what you call "military resources".

ARG

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Au revoir, Gopher

Look again...

“You heard what General Eyre (Chief of Defence Staff) said,” Harries responds. “When asked … are the Canadian forces ready for what’s happening, he said ‘No, I lose sleep at night about them not being ready.’” We have a country that has given Ukraine more military resources in a year than it’s given the Canadian forces in the last decade.

I guess it depends on what you call "military resources".

ARG

Equipment is the most likely reference that fits the narrative. Not money.

That makes sense… however Canada hasn’t given new stuff to Ukraine. Seems mostly our used stuff. That old equipment would need to be replaced at some point in time. Now it needs to be replaced.

However given Trudeau’s administrative approval times… should be replaced in 100 years.

Still… providing this equipment to Ukraine to help protect their country, their soldiers, their families from an illegal invasion is the prudent thing to do.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by EZM

Canada has committed roughly 1 billion in aid

Just for perspective, Ukraine currently needs up to 60 billion of external help a year to keep their country operational, ie pensions, government salaries, etc, nothing exquisite, but to keep things they way they are right now - that is, at a minimum. This is given things do not worsen more and there is a huge potential that they will and maybe significantly. They also need about as much (or more) in military aid per year, also to keep things the way they are right now with no guarantees for improvement (and likely the opposite). That doesn’t include humanitarian and other aid, as well as housing and supporting about 9 million refugees around the world, making up at least a 5th of the country’s population (likely closer to a quarter if not more because the official population count is far from accurate according to the western experts on the subject), most of whom are never coming back and there is a good chance more people will leave (men cannot leave the country now and a whole bunch would if they could to avoid forced mobilization to be sent to the meat grinder). Add the undoubtedly coming demographic crisis of likely epic proportions.

So that $1B is probably within a margin of error when compared to the reality and what I described above is a very compact and a tip-of-the-iceberg type of summary of that reality.

[Jim]

The US and the west has a pretty bad record for getting involved in other countries wars. Vietnam over a decade being involved billions of dollars spent with a end result of a loss. Afghanistan two decades being involved trillions of dollars spent end result a loss. Iraq two decades involvement with trillions of dollars spent with end result being a loss. Have to be pretty optimistic to think this time will be different.

It is time the west learns from past adventures and loss and push Ukraine for a negotiated peace deal. Without NATO supplies and equipment they are done in a couple months. Tired of paying $40000 a year in taxes to see it ****ed away in these crap hole countries that has nothing to do with me. Make a deal and be done with it. The sooner this war is over the sooner those refugees from Ukraine can pack their bags and return home. Tired of working 3 jobs so I can eat and have a roof over my head and seeing my tax money ****ed away on people and places that have nothing to do with me.

[Savage Bacon]

Originally Posted by Jim

The US and the west has a pretty bad record for getting involved in other countries wars. Vietnam over a decade being involved billions of dollars spent with a end result of a loss. Afghanistan two decades being involved trillions of dollars spent end result a loss. Iraq two decades involvement with trillions of dollars spent with end result being a loss. Have to be pretty optimistic to think this time will be different.



It is time the west learns from past adventures and loss and push Ukraine for a negotiated peace deal. Without NATO supplies and equipment they are done in a couple months. Tired of paying $40000 a year in taxes to see it ****ed away in these crap hole countries that has nothing to do with me. Make a deal and be done with it. The sooner this war is over the sooner those refugees from Ukraine can pack their bags and return home. Tired of working 3 jobs so I can eat and have a roof over my head and seeing my tax money ****ed away on people and places that have nothing to do with me.

Bingo

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[ruffy71]

Originally Posted by Jim

The US and the west has a pretty bad record for getting involved in other countries wars. Vietnam over a decade being involved billions of dollars spent with a end result of a loss. Afghanistan two decades being involved trillions of dollars spent end result a loss. Iraq two decades involvement with trillions of dollars spent with end result being a loss. Have to be pretty optimistic to think this time will be different.

It is time the west learns from past adventures and loss and push Ukraine for a negotiated peace deal. Without NATO supplies and equipment they are done in a couple months. Tired of paying $40000 a year in taxes to see it ****ed away in these crap hole countries that has nothing to do with me. Make a deal and be done with it. The sooner this war is over the sooner those refugees from Ukraine can pack their bags and return home. Tired of working 3 jobs so I can eat and have a roof over my head and seeing my tax money ****ed away on people and places that have nothing to do with me.

Thank goodness you weren’t in charge in 1939

[ruffy71]

Trying to do some quick math and if your 40000 in taxes it looks like 50 bucks has gone to ukraine. You could have quit one of your three jobs easy!

[Jim]

Originally Posted by ruffy71

Thank goodness you weren’t in charge in 1939

Ukraine is not a NATO member, NATO and the west owes Ukraine nothing. In World War II Canada was an ally of England therefore Canada got involved. Read a history book. If Russia goes after a NATO member country then by all means get involved until then stay away from this money pit.