Gun Registry Super Thread (please thank your Liberal/NDP friends)

[32-40win]

Figured I may as well post this, maybe a mod wants to sticky it for a bit, that way people can at least look at it;

http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en.../first-reading

[32-40win]

And firearm lawyer Ian Runkle's quick interpretation of it;

Firearms Lawyer Ian Runkle's take on C-71
As quoted in another forum:

Thought this was a very interesting read. Copied and pasted from Ian's Facebook post:

"Okay, so I have been away most of the day, which means that my commentary on the new firearms bill is a little late. But, here goes.

Minor stuff:
* It incorporates the language used in the Criminal Code for definitions. This is sensible.

* Some grammatical changes, mostly which recognize that businesses/corporations exist.

More important stuff:

* Section 5(2) of the Firearms Act is amended to remove the "within the previous 5 years" that was previously incorporated. So instead of the CFO having to consider what happened in the previous five years, they now have to consider the issue generally. The effect of this is actually fairly minimal, because the courts had said that the CFO/etc are more than entitled to consider things outside the five year range, and the CFO/etc did consider it.

* Section 12 is amended by creating a new blanket grandfathering clause that can be done by regulation. Now, this suggests that the current government may intend to prohibit more firearms in future. However, it also suggests that they may grandfather in existing owners. This is a big warning sign for gun owners going forward, and one I haven't yet seen discussed. These firearms will also be excluded from the automatic ATT provisions. However, the new category of grandfathered firearms are not necessarily barred from being issued an ATT. This creates an uneven patchwork of laws that is exactly the opposite direction our firearms laws should be going.

* They are adding a specific grandfathering clause for the CZ 858 and the Swiss Arms rifles for owners who had one before June 30th, 2018. It's not yet June 30th... anyone feeling like giving me a present?

* Automatic ATTs for prohibited firearms are being clawed back, meaning most can't be taken to ranges. Those who have 12(6) firearms (short-barreled handguns) and who have registered as collectors will also not be issued an ATT that allows range trips for those firearms.

* Non-restricted firearms can now only be transferred if you call the CFO and get a reference number for the transfer. This is going to be a serious issue for gun shows, most of which happen on weekends, when the CFO is not open. It'll be a headache generally, because the CFOs office does not keep the hours they claim to keep (I frequently find that if I call in at 1:00 PM I may get the message that tells me that they closed at 4:00 PM and to call again the next day). This will also aggravate the issues associated with the CFO practice of placing a licence "under review", which is not permitted by the legislation, and effectively means that a person with a valid licence is nevertheless barred by CFO fiat from exercising transfers. This is a practice that I have been looking for an opportunity to challenge in court, though. Oh, and violating this is grounds for revocation of your firearms licence... though it'd also be grounds for criminal charges. The net effect of that is mostly something that interests folks like me, because it provides negotiation options.

* Businesses must now keep records of transfers for 20 years, which they provide very little details on confidentiality for. The Liberal Party has been spinning this as though the only way for the police or the CFO to get access to those records is via a warrant, and thus this is not a backdoor registry. This is either a lie or a fairly major oversight, because section 102 of the Firearms Act allows for inspection of a businesses records on fairly broad basis, including copying details. So... yeah. These records will be easily available to the CFO. Additionally, a business going under has to transfer the records to the CFO. So... not quite a registry, but definitely has some substantial monitoring.

* Major omission: Refusals to issue a reference number aren't enunciated in section 74 (referring decisions of a firearms officer to a court to have them reviewed). This means that challenges to this are going to be in a legal limbo. Arguably case law (including Runkle v. Alberta) says that this new creature will be reviewable by the section 74 process, but it would have been nice to clear up this particular disaster.

* It also revokes a ton of ATTs. So, there is going to be one hell of a backlog at the CFO's office the instant this gets proclaimed.

* Restores the prohibition on the CZ 858 and the Swiss Arms rifles.

* Allows the government to retain the long gun registry data.

* Removes the ability of the government to designate something as non-restricted by Order In Council.

Okay, so, some comments:

First, it makes sense that the same principles that allow a firearm to be designated as restricted by law or prohibited by law should allow the government to make it non-restricted. The whole "we need to take these decisions out of the hands of politicians" rhetoric is insane, because of course politicians decide the laws. The LPC just wants to ensure a 'ratchet' effect, where firearms can move to being more restricted, but cannot easily move back to being less restricted. This assumes that the government will never make an error, which is silly.

Second, there are indications in this bill of planned prohibitions to come. The people saying "Oh, they're not banning anything" are wrong, because there are clear plans laid to ban things.

Third, this legislation doesn't fix any of the legislative disaster that is our firearms laws, and generally makes things worse by making it an even more uneven patchwork of conflicting rules. I have no idea how laypeople are expected to navigate this.

Fourth, the business records provisions are not as described--because these records are not excluded from the application of s. 105, the promises that a warrant will be needed to get this information are flatly false. I leave it to the reader to decide if this creates a back door registry. If the goal is to create same, this is probably the worst of all possible worlds, as it will be highly unreliable for determining anything."
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[32-40win]

some good info on resources to combat c71, some info that can be read, watched or listened to, addresses and e-mails for some gov't offices.

Some extra reading/viewing material:

Join the Conservative Party of Canada: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...arty-of-Canada

Firearms Lawyer Ian Runkle's take on-C-71: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...s-take-on-C-71

Swiss Arms Research project: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...search-project

Brian Lilley: http://brianlilley.com/goodales-gun-...-doesnt-exist/

Rod Giltaca: http://gundebate.ca

CBC - Solomon Friedman confronts Wendy Cukier on bill C-71 (at the 1:25:45 mark): http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1190740547573/

Tony Bernardo goes up against Wendy Cukier: https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1352180

Ralph Goodale speaking out of his @ss: https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1352177

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[Bellero]

Great post, thank you.

[32-40win]

A very good guide to communicating with your MP and any others you e-mail and write to, from the CSSA;

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...D1520958259000

[Boogerfart]

Awesome, thanks for taking the time to share all the info.

[Shrike]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Figured I may as well post this, maybe a mod wants to sticky it for a bit, that way people can at least look at it;

http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en.../first-reading

Thanks for the excellent post with all that information.
I believe that in 2019 we should target Ralph Goodale and the vulnerable liberal Rural MP's. Since yesterday's nanos pole rated 68% of Canadians agree with a total handgun ban, I believe that is what Trudeau is going to do. Most of those 68% will be urbanites. Personally at this point I think it futile to write any MP's or write petitions. Targeting MP's agressively in vulnerable rural riding might not get them re elected.

[Shrike]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Figured I may as well post this, maybe a mod wants to sticky it for a bit, that way people can at least look at it;

http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en.../first-reading

Thanks for the excellent post with all that information.
I believe that in 2019 we should target Ralph Goodale and the vulnerable liberal Rural MP's. Since yesterday's nanos pole rated 68% of Canadians agree with a total handgun ban, I believe that is what Trudeau is going to do. Most of those 68% will be urbanites. Personally at this point I think it futile to write any MP's or write petitions. Targeting MP's agressively in vulnerable rural riding might not get them re elected.

[32-40win]

May be of some small comfort to know that all the daily newspaper and various local TV station online polls across the country, that I have seen, have been overwhelmingly against a handgun ban. The story of the TPA chief and heads of the various other police agencies, saying a ban is not going to do what people think it will, is gaining traction as well. Seems to be a reasonably even number of editorials for both sides out there, but, the media is making money off the anti spin to their stories, and making plenty of noise about anything related to a gun related story that pushes the anti agenda. And unfortunately, there are currently no shortage of shootings happening where innocents are getting killed. Also, we seldom get the whole story on who got killed and why, and those stories don't get the front pages or the soundbyte clips.

[32-40win]

Toronto Sun article;

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...-battle-in-t-o

Yahoo/CBC article;

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/handgun-ba...080032089.html

[32-40win]

And Trudeau is using the gangs and guns issue as a fundraiser issue;

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/09/04/ipol...ser-in-surrey/

[32-40win]

Seems a few politicians are starting the town hall circuit on C71;

Larry Maguire has one in Brandon MB Sept 10th, larry.maguire@parl.gc.ca is his e-mail, or 613-995-9372 for more info.

Glen Motz is doing one in Saskatoon;
Sunday, September 9, 2018
1:00-3:00pm
Nutana Curling Club - 2nd floor
2002 Arlington Avenue
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

[JeanCretien]

There is rumbling on the Canadian gun blog that there will be some harsh action from Ottawa in June. Anyone on here hear anything interesting?


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[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by JeanCretien

There is rumbling on the Canadian gun blog that there will be some harsh action from Ottawa in June. Anyone on here hear anything interesting?


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I read their blog, saw MP Tony Clement during Question Period ask about bans and confiscation. Saw Blair give a 'think of the children' non-answer.....so sent a text to my MP Chris Warkentin for more info. Still waiting to hear back. He usually responds in minutes to 24 hours... but I did not like what I heard from Clement.

[dgrimard]

Cheryl Gallant


Today it was revealed Trudeau has a secret plan to ban all legal firearms.

It will be done by Cabinet Directive with no discussion, no debate in the house.

He plans to decree the ban at the “Woman Deliver Conference” in Vancouver BC (June 1 -3 2019).

New Zealand PM Ardern will be in attendance to offer Trudeau cover.

When the Liberal Minister responsible was asked about the plan to ban all legal firearms, he did not deny it.

As each day produces a new scandal, one more petal falls from the wilted rose of the Liberal leader.

Unpopular among more of his own party members, one Liberal MP after another announces intentions not to run for Parliament again.

Their party is desperately trying to change the channel as Canadians get closer and closer to a fall election.

The Liberals think they can manipulate the emotions of women by using sportsmen and farmers as scapegoats.

The conference is a convenient platform to attack law-abiding firearms owners, and try to make female voters, outraged over the “Kokanee Grope”, forget about it.

The conference is less than 25 days away.

That is all the time we have to fight Trudeau and the Liberal Party.

This fight is real.

We need to stop this plan now before it gets swept up in this fall’s election.

Don’t let Trudeau use you to cover up his failures.

Regards,

Cheryl Gallant

[Twisted Canuck]

Well, if they do that all I can suggest is good luck to them. That's a lot of angry voters/gun owners to seize private property from. Property rights are a thing. I suspect that the October election wouldn't be helped by such a knee jerk virtue signaling move. But, there does seem to be no end to the stupidity and style over substance of this government. Going to be watching closely. I hear theft of guns is rampant, could happen to everybody. Police could be flooded with reports of thefts of guns they were going to seize.

[32-40win]

You know , I do find it strange, in that, Clement is actually a C71 supporter, is he a closet Lib, up to some shenanigans? His behavior at the SECU in the HOC was a bit weird, he is a gun owner, who is willing to toss other gun owners under the bus.

[Talking moose]

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[Kurt505]

[32-40win]

Global Montreal's "apology"

Global Montreal
13 hrs ·
We have removed an erroneous post that stated an opinion and used language that is unacceptable on a Global News platform.

The unauthorized post was made by a former employee who inadvertently published it to the Global Montreal Facebook page.

We are taking steps to ensure that this unfortunate incident is not repeated.

This is not what you, our audience, expects of Global News.

We deeply regret the error and apologize.

I guess that's their story and they're stickin to it.

[32-40win]

Doug Ford gets it, nice to have someone like him in his position in Ont.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wwesg9w3yq...upzOKofSp_6L6E

[32-40win]

Interesting announcement by Tor police chief regarding the weekend's shootings and gangs and bail for people with firearms offences

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/sau...PHt3v17sXE5t1k

[IronNoggin]

No creep?? One "expert" is very strongly suggesting that is the route to follow:

Should semi-automatic firearms be banned?

All semi-automatic firearms should be prohibited and confiscated, Professor R. Blake Brown urged in his submission to the Mass Casualty Commission in Nova Scotia. Despite the MCC’s attempt to hide submissions, I managed to find and criticize a copy of Professor R. Blake Brown’s paper. It’s now available here.

https://justiceforgunowners.ca/shoul...rms-be-banned/

[Pathfinder76]

Are they a problem?

On another note. Why are people so dumb?

[fordtruckin]

Give an inch, they take a mile! If you give up semi autos then lever actions and pumps will be next. Then bolts and finally single shots will be what your left with. Government has shown this time and time again which is why I’m against pretty much against any more gun control regulations.

[32-40win]

The anti's have been pushing that theme since the 70's that I can remember, it isn't going away, as long as they get a voice on the subject. The 5 rd capacity for all firearms has been presented once again too, they mean everything in their case.

[elkhunter11]

Being from Nova Scotia he should be more concerned with how the police bungled the handling of the shooting spree not so long ago.

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

Should semi-automatic firearms be banned?

Just the black plastic ones. They’re scary….

[jungleboy]

I will say this, Politicians and their ideologies are responsible for more deaths than all the mass shootings in the world throughout history combined.

As a matter of fact I would say they are likely responsible for quite a few mass shootings as well.

What we really need on this planet is another big island penal colony we can start exiling irresponsible politicians to.

[Twisted Canuck]

I would suggest the Antarctic.